For the context of this discussion, let's roll with the definition of faith to mean -- "to trust in, or to apply hope in anyways, despite inference(s) to the contrary. " Since belief does not seem to be a choice, as I cannot simply chose to believe in fairies without proper demonstration, the term faith looks to be the work-around.
Further, many will also argue faith in Jesus is necessary, because all humans fall short. But if this is THE case, then 'morals' also look to become superfluous and/or irrelevant. Which then looks to be contradictory and/or illogical, as the NT expresses the need to follow a certain 'moral' code....
For debate: Were the NT writer(s) savvy enough to recognize that many would read this collection of writings and not believe -- (due to contradiction and/or illogic)? Hence, the workaround term faith was implemented?
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Post #1In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
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Post #181I didn't lie to a Muslim.Clownboat wrote: ↑Mon Mar 03, 2025 3:27 pmWhy do you think that some people will claim to have the truth when they cannot demonstrate that what they believe is in fact the truth?BrotherBerry wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:21 pm Yes, they knew some people would not use logic and not believe the truth, Romans 10:16.
For example, why are you spreading lies when it comes to a Muslim point of view?
If somebody tells you they think a contradiction is in the Bible they are confused and deceived by Satan, 2 Corinthians 4:4.
What a silly and slanderous thing to say. I note your weak attempt to poison the well, and reject if for being weak and unevidenced.
What pride you display though. Watch out for that fall.
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Post #182We walk by faith not sight, 2 Corinthians 5:7. Yeah, it dumb not to believe because I want to go to heaven not the other place. People can pray for faith if they don't believe. So they got options broPOI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 03, 2025 11:54 amAh, so basically cutting to the chase, if you find any fault in the Bible, you are either dumb and/or wicked? If so, the follow up question then becomes, why not just blindly believe any preferred holy book of choice?BrotherBerry wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:21 pmYes, they knew some people would not use logic and not believe the truth, Romans 10:16. If somebody tells you they think a contradiction is in the Bible they are confused and deceived by Satan, 2 Corinthians 4:4.POI wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 9:19 am For the context of this discussion, let's roll with the definition of faith to mean -- "to trust in, or to apply hope in anyways, despite inference(s) to the contrary. " Since belief does not seem to be a choice, as I cannot simply chose to believe in fairies without proper demonstration, the term faith looks to be the work-around.
Further, many will also argue faith in Jesus is necessary, because all humans fall short. But if this is THE case, then 'morals' also look to become superfluous and/or irrelevant. Which then looks to be contradictory and/or illogical, as the NT expresses the need to follow a certain 'moral' code....
For debate: Were the NT writer(s) savvy enough to recognize that many would read this collection of writings and not believe -- (due to contradiction and/or illogic)? Hence, the workaround term faith was implemented?
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Post #183But again, why THIS book and not any other "holy book", if it is all faith related?BrotherBerry wrote: ↑Mon Mar 03, 2025 5:00 pmWe walk by faith not sight, 2 Corinthians 5:7. Yeah, it dumb not to believe because I want to go to heaven not the other place. People can pray for faith if they don't believe. So they got options broPOI wrote: ↑Mon Mar 03, 2025 11:54 amAh, so basically cutting to the chase, if you find any fault in the Bible, you are either dumb and/or wicked? If so, the follow up question then becomes, why not just blindly believe any preferred holy book of choice?BrotherBerry wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:21 pmYes, they knew some people would not use logic and not believe the truth, Romans 10:16. If somebody tells you they think a contradiction is in the Bible they are confused and deceived by Satan, 2 Corinthians 4:4.POI wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 9:19 am For the context of this discussion, let's roll with the definition of faith to mean -- "to trust in, or to apply hope in anyways, despite inference(s) to the contrary. " Since belief does not seem to be a choice, as I cannot simply chose to believe in fairies without proper demonstration, the term faith looks to be the work-around.
Further, many will also argue faith in Jesus is necessary, because all humans fall short. But if this is THE case, then 'morals' also look to become superfluous and/or irrelevant. Which then looks to be contradictory and/or illogical, as the NT expresses the need to follow a certain 'moral' code....
For debate: Were the NT writer(s) savvy enough to recognize that many would read this collection of writings and not believe -- (due to contradiction and/or illogic)? Hence, the workaround term faith was implemented?
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In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
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Post #184BrotherBerry wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:21 pm Yes, they knew some people would not use logic and not believe the truth, Romans 10:16.
Clownboat wrote:Why do you think that some people will claim to have the truth when they cannot demonstrate that what they believe is in fact the truth?
For example, why are you spreading lies when it comes to a Muslim point of view?
BrotherBerry wrote:If somebody tells you they think a contradiction is in the Bible they are confused and deceived by Satan, 2 Corinthians 4:4.
I never claimed that you did.
Copy/paste: "For example, why are you spreading lies when it comes to a Muslim point of view?" (To quote the clarifying words that were supplied above)
For a Muslim, they would think that you are just a person that "would not use logic and not believe the truth". (To use your words from above)
I note you didn't address your Satan claim about anyone that thinks there is a contradiction in the Bible. Is the Bible some sort of idol to be worshiped in your view?
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Post #185You right Clownboat. I guess everybody think everybody else is confused. I bow out.Clownboat wrote: ↑Tue Mar 04, 2025 9:50 amBrotherBerry wrote: ↑Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:21 pm Yes, they knew some people would not use logic and not believe the truth, Romans 10:16.Clownboat wrote:Why do you think that some people will claim to have the truth when they cannot demonstrate that what they believe is in fact the truth?
For example, why are you spreading lies when it comes to a Muslim point of view?BrotherBerry wrote:If somebody tells you they think a contradiction is in the Bible they are confused and deceived by Satan, 2 Corinthians 4:4.I never claimed that you did.
Copy/paste: "For example, why are you spreading lies when it comes to a Muslim point of view?" (To quote the clarifying words that were supplied above)
For a Muslim, they would think that you are just a person that "would not use logic and not believe the truth". (To use your words from above)
I note you didn't address your Satan claim about anyone that thinks there is a contradiction in the Bible. Is the Bible some sort of idol to be worshiped in your view?