Christian Mental Health

[jcrawford]

As a Christian Mental Health practitioner, I sometimes wonder who gets to define and set the standards by which the state measures and determines the mental health of its citizens and schoolchildren.

Obviously, the ready answer on the lips of non-Christians is that state certified psychologists and psychiatrists alone should define and set the standards governing the mental health of all of its citizens. But this raises a problem for Christians who practice their own religious form of mental health therapy since secularists in government are opposed to any competition in the mental health fields from Christians who claim that the many psychological abuses of mental health treatments in US public schools constitute a violation of their civil right to choice in therapeutic treatments of their minds and souls.

Question for discussion and debate: Should Christian mental health be used as a standard for systems of comparitive mental health? If not, why not, and what justification is there for secular humanists in government judging the mental health of Christians if a Christian Mental Health system is superior to any other.

[micatala]

After about seventy years of psychiatric practices and research, there is still no diagnostic test for schizophrenia or any of the other three hundred so-called mental disorders listed in the current edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), . . .

I can definitely see a similarity between the writing of Weitz and jcrawford. This passage is characterized by overblown, sensationalistic, unsubstantiated statements, at least some of which are demonstrably false.

None have been demonstrated to be false yet.

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jcrawford apparently is now redefining false to be not false. in jcrawford's world, black is white, up is down, in is out. Meaning no longer exists. All is subjective.

Let's review.

jcrawford claims that neurological diseases are not mental illnesses.

If autism is classified as a neurological disease or disorder then it is not a mental illness as mythological ADHD is fraudulently diagnosed and categorized.

Here jcrawford says that diagnoses of mental illness can only be made if there is neurological basis.

Rather is it up to psychologists and psychiatrists to prove that their diagnoses of "mental illnesses" are based on neurological dysfunctions.

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Rather is it up to psychologists and psychiatrists to prove that the many mythical illnesses which they list and describe in their DSM-IV Bible are certified by neurologists to be legitimate medical problems.

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Christian Mental Health advocates simply point to the lack of evidence for claiming that any of the so-called "mental illnesses" or disorders listed in the DSM-IV Bible of the secular psychosocialists and humanist psychiatrists are neurologically based

Alzheimer's has been shown to have a neurological basis. It is a mental illness. It is listed in the DSM. At least one of the above statements is false. They are all false unless jcrawford again redefines mental illness.


Other claims made by jcrawford include:

Suicides only result from psychopharmaceutical drug use.

Christians don't commit suicide.

jcrawford has admitted that the first of these two is false based on the example of Judas Iscariot.

THe second statement is also false.

Among the most common faith groups in the U.S., Protestants have the highest suicide rate; Roman Catholics are next; Jews have the lowest rate.

jcrawford had previously responded to a question "CHristians do not commit suicide?"

Nope. It is a sin to kill oneself.

However, most Christians and the Bible itself would say ALL Christians are sinners. Committing a sin does not make one not a Christian, even if that sin is murder.

In addition:

Please document that none of the illnesses listed in the DSM-IV are neurologically based.

It is up to psychologists and psychiatrists to prove that any of them are since I have not seen any scientific evidence of it to date.

Hopefully jcrawford will not make this statement again, as, even if it was not false the first time, it would constitute another false statement if repeated.

[jcrawford]

Meanwhile, no one has shown any evidence for the existence of so-called "mental illnesses or mental diseases. Frankly, I am not in the least surprised though, since evolutionists, evolutionary psychologists, psychobiologists and psychopathetic psychiatrists who claim to be descended from an extinct species of sub-human African apes, all seem to be suffering from Darwins' Disorder and Dawkins' Delusion.

Then your knowledge and ability have been weighed, measured, and been found lacking. Let me know when you can actually answer any of the questions I have raised. Until then, I consider this a dead issue.

As a 'dead issue" then, no further case may be made against Christian Mental Health and my charges against predatory and murderous psychiatry stand unrefuted.

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http://psychwatch.blogspot.com/2007/02/ ... -case.html

http://psychwatch.blogspot.com/

[jcrawford]

By recognizing both psychiatry and abortion as legitimate medical practices, the

AMA is about as reputable and honorable an association now as an abortion clinic, insane asylum or the KKK.

Now you are trying to combine issues by implying fault with one and attributing it to another.
Abortion is a medical procedure and has nothing to do with either reputation or honor.

There is no comparison warranted to the Holocaust or psychology and psychiatry. Psychiatrists also have MD I believe.

Abortionists and psychiatrists are cold-blooded child killers just like the Nazi doctors were.

[jcrawford]

Alzheimer's has been shown to have a neurological basis. It is a mental illness. It is listed in the DSM. At least one of the above statements is false. They are all false unless jcrawford again redefines mental illness.

Christian Mental Health practitioners should recognize Alzheimer's as a neurological disease, not a mental illness.

Among the most common faith groups in the U.S., Protestants have the highest suicide rate; Roman Catholics are next; Jews have the lowest rate.

If they commit suicide who is to say what their religion was - the Ontario government?

Committing a sin does not make one not a Christian, even if that sin is murder.

Those who commit murder but do not confess, repent and atone of their murderous deed, can never be said to have been saved by Christ.

Please document that none of the illnesses listed in the DSM-IV are neurologically based.

It is up to psychologists and psychiatrists to prove that any of them are since I have not seen any scientific evidence of it to date.

Hopefully jcrawford will not make this statement again, as, even if it was not false the first time, it would constitute another false statement if repeated.

Listing Alzheimer's Disease in the DSM as a "mental illness" is fraudulent since it is a neurological disease and should only be treated by qualified neurologists.

[upallnite]

jcrawford,
Are you doing this as a joke or are you really that hard headed?

[Wyvern]

As a 'dead issue" then, no further case may be made against Christian Mental Health and my charges against predatory and murderous psychiatry stand unrefuted.

http://psychwatch.blogspot.com/2007/02/ ... ng-in.html

http://psychwatch.blogspot.com/2007/02/ ... -case.html

http://psychwatch.blogspot.com/

All three of these links regard the same case. That being of the death of a small girl in Massachusetts. If you would have read all the way to the end of the story the most important evidence is given, when the girl was found dead seven tablets of clonidine were found. If the parents, one of whom sexually abused the girl had given the proper dosage there should have been 75 pills left.

In this case predatory and murderous actions occurred but not by the psychiatrist. Because of the axe you have to grind you would rather blaim the doctor rather than the parents that abused and overdosed their child over a number of months.

[Confused]

Meanwhile, no one has shown any evidence for the existence of so-called "mental illnesses or mental diseases. Frankly, I am not in the least surprised though, since evolutionists, evolutionary psychologists, psychobiologists and psychopathetic psychiatrists who claim to be descended from an extinct species of sub-human African apes, all seem to be suffering from Darwins' Disorder and Dawkins' Delusion.

Then your knowledge and ability have been weighed, measured, and been found lacking. Let me know when you can actually answer any of the questions I have raised. Until then, I consider this a dead issue.

As a 'dead issue" then, no further case may be made against Christian Mental Health and my charges against predatory and murderous psychiatry stand unrefuted.

http://psychwatch.blogspot.com/2007/02/ ... ng-in.html

http://psychwatch.blogspot.com/2007/02/ ... -case.html

http://psychwatch.blogspot.com/

In your delusional world, you can believe whatever you want. We have all called you to account for your statements and you give hyperbole and evasion in response. If this is what you consider unrefuted, then by all means, enjoy your world.

[otseng]

Abortionists and psychiatrists are cold-blooded child killers just like the Nazi doctors were.

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