Did he or didn't he?

[Athetotheist]

And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets. Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her.
(1 Samuel 28:6-7)

So Saul died for his transgression which he committed against the Lord, even against the word of the Lord, which he kept not, and also for asking counsel of one that had a familiar spirit, to enquire of it; and enquired not of the Lord
(1Chronicles 10:13-14)

How exactly are these to be reconciled?

[OneJack]

It takes the Lord Jesus for all of us to know the truth and the lies in the bible. The Lord Jesus is the only Good Shepherd and Teacher in His flock.

It only takes a false Christ to say there are lies in Scriptures of God.

Mark 13:22
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

You don't know who the false prophets and false Christs are in our time today, do you?

Your christ justifying you while transgressing God's commandments, is not uncommon. No different than the OSAS christ for transgressors with faith-alone.

However, at least you do acknowledge your rejection to those Scriptures of Jesus Christ, that you refuse to obey. The standard OSAS self-justifier goes on with endless changing of those Scriptures, to appear they believe them as written...You stript their appearance, and just say it plain: Not all Scriptures of God are true, and not all His commandments must be obeyed. Refreshing in one sense at least...

Did you hear from God that it only takes a false Christ to say there are lies in the bible/scriptures?

Does it take God to say that only a false christ accuses His Scriptures of lying? Afterall, if does say so, then the same false christ would just say He's lying.

Pro 26:4
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

However, Gd does not say that only a false christ lies about His words, but also the false christ's false apostles, prophets, and teachers:

2Pe 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Rev 2:2
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

2Co 11:13
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

And yet, with all the many pretty words of worshipping God while transgressing His commandments, in the end the true God will still judge the works of transgression:

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Face the mirror RBD, your object and focus of your faith in God is, no wonder, the bible, per se, not the real and eternally living Christ Jesus, who is beside you/me/them all the time.

This is the same manner as more extreme OSAS transgressors, who even go on to condemn keeping God's commandments blameless. You reject all of God's words being true, and disobey them. Now you go on to condemn those believing and doing all God's words. Certainly is the same spirit:

Eph 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Since you're locked up in the pages of the bible, better read John 5:39-40 so that you may know you need to come to the Lord Jesus to have life, which is not found in the bible but in Christ Jesus alone.

[RBD]

Since you're locked up in the pages of the bible, better read John 5:39-40 so that you may know you need to come to the Lord Jesus to have life, which is not found in the bible but in Christ Jesus alone.

Your Christ justifying you in your unbelief and transgressions of Jesus' words, is all yours alone. No thanks.

And since you're not going to give examples of your charges of Bible errancy, then adios.

[OneJack]

Since you're locked up in the pages of the bible, better read John 5:39-40 so that you may know you need to come to the Lord Jesus to have life, which is not found in the bible but in Christ Jesus alone.

Your Christ justifying you in your unbelief and transgressions of Jesus' words, is all yours alone. No thanks.

And since you're not going to give examples of your charges of Bible errancy, then adios.

Okay, look at these three verses in the bible, which, as the Lord taught us, are wrongly worded, to wit:

A. Gen 2:17. "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."


The Lord Jesus taught us that the true words that He uttered to Adam, in this context, were, 'for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely be clothed in sin.'

Therefore, the true utterance of the Lord in this part would be, "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely be clothed in sin.'



B. Genesis 2:24. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."


The Lord Jesus taught us that the true words that He uttered, in this context, were, and I will give them one flesh." The one flesh that the Lord said, in this context, was the offspring that will be produced by the union of an egg cell from the woman and a sperm cell from the man.

Therefore the true utterance of the Lord in this part would be, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and I will give them one flesh."



C. Matt. 28:19. Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,


The Lord Jesus taught us that the true words that He uttered to the apostles, in this context, were, 'Go forth and make all nations My servants and disciples, and I bless you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Therefore the true utterance of the Lord in this part would be, 'Go forth and make all nations My servants and disciples, and I bless you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.'

[AquinasForGod]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #1]

Saul externally inquired of the Lord first, but not in a true posture of repentance, obedience, or faith. Then, when God did not answer him, he turned to necromancy. So Chronicles is speaking morally and spiritually, not merely describing the sequence of actions. I think this is clear if you read the whole story in both accounts.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to AquinasForGod in post #134]

Saul externally inquired of the Lord first, but not in a true posture of repentance, obedience, or faith.

1 Chronicles 10:14, which directly addresses Saul's offense, says nothing of repentance (noham), obedience (shawmah), or faith (emuna). It says that he did not inquire (lo darash).

[RBD]

Since you're locked up in the pages of the bible, better read John 5:39-40 so that you may know you need to come to the Lord Jesus to have life, which is not found in the bible but in Christ Jesus alone.

Your Christ justifying you in your unbelief and transgressions of Jesus' words, is all yours alone. No thanks.

And since you're not going to give examples of your charges of Bible errancy, then adios.

Okay, look at these three verses in the bible, which, as the Lord taught us, are wrongly worded, to wit:

A. Gen 2:17. "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."


The Lord Jesus taught us that the true words that He uttered to Adam, in this context, were, 'for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely be clothed in sin.'

Therefore, the true utterance of the Lord in this part would be, "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely be clothed in sin.'



B. Genesis 2:24. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."


The Lord Jesus taught us that the true words that He uttered, in this context, were, and I will give them one flesh." The one flesh that the Lord said, in this context, was the offspring that will be produced by the union of an egg cell from the woman and a sperm cell from the man.

Therefore the true utterance of the Lord in this part would be, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and I will give them one flesh."



C. Matt. 28:19. Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,


The Lord Jesus taught us that the true words that He uttered to the apostles, in this context, were, 'Go forth and make all nations My servants and disciples, and I bless you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Therefore the true utterance of the Lord in this part would be, 'Go forth and make all nations My servants and disciples, and I bless you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.'

The christ that gave you these replacements for Scripture of God, is not Jesus Christ.

2Pe 3:15
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

I leave you to your own christ, own book of words, and own transgressions against the Bible Christ Jesus.

Tit 3:10
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

[POI]

[Replying to RBD in post #136]

You skipped post 130. I don't blame you, as it would take quite the mental gymnastics to twist your way out of that one.

[OneJack]

Since you're locked up in the pages of the bible, better read John 5:39-40 so that you may know you need to come to the Lord Jesus to have life, which is not found in the bible but in Christ Jesus alone.

Your Christ justifying you in your unbelief and transgressions of Jesus' words, is all yours alone. No thanks.

And since you're not going to give examples of your charges of Bible errancy, then adios.

Okay, look at these three verses in the bible, which, as the Lord taught us, are wrongly worded, to wit:

A. Gen 2:17. "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."


The Lord Jesus taught us that the true words that He uttered to Adam, in this context, were, 'for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely be clothed in sin.'

Therefore, the true utterance of the Lord in this part would be, "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely be clothed in sin.'



B. Genesis 2:24. "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."


The Lord Jesus taught us that the true words that He uttered, in this context, were, and I will give them one flesh." The one flesh that the Lord said, in this context, was the offspring that will be produced by the union of an egg cell from the woman and a sperm cell from the man.

Therefore the true utterance of the Lord in this part would be, 'Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and I will give them one flesh."



C. Matt. 28:19. Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,


The Lord Jesus taught us that the true words that He uttered to the apostles, in this context, were, 'Go forth and make all nations My servants and disciples, and I bless you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Therefore the true utterance of the Lord in this part would be, 'Go forth and make all nations My servants and disciples, and I bless you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.'

The christ that gave you these replacements for Scripture of God, is not Jesus Christ.

2Pe 3:15
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

I leave you to your own christ, own book of words, and own transgressions against the Bible Christ Jesus.

Tit 3:10
A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

What you're saying here clearly demonstrates your inability to recognize the Lord's utterances, as well as the existence of the Lord Jesus in His own realm. Also, you're totally under the influence of the bible, which you make unto yourself the god of your life. You can't even see the reality that the bible is not God and inerrant. How do you say He is not Jesus when you've heard nothing yet from the Lord Jesus, who is always beside you, though you don't see Him yet?

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #136]

You skipped post 130. I don't blame you, as it would take quite the mental gymnastics to twist your way out of that one.

Missed it. Thanks.

[POI]

[Replying to RBD in post #136]

You skipped post 130. I don't blame you, as it would take quite the mental gymnastics to twist your way out of that one.

Missed it. Thanks.