2 Questions

[POI]

1. Why did God create anything at all?
2. What arena/space/other did God dwell within or upon before he first had to create it?

[POI]

[Replying to RugMatic in post #122]

1) We will quickly veer off topic is I probe your response here. So, I will just leave it there. Maybe I will make a new thread?.?.?

2) We will quickly veer off topic is I probe your response here. So, I will just leave it there. Maybe I will make a new thread?.?.?

3) We will quickly veer off topic is I probe your response here. So, I will just leave it there. Maybe I will make a new thread?.?.?

[POI]

1. Why did God create anything at all?
2. What arena/space/other did God dwell within or upon before he first had to create it?

1. God created everything to prove that He is God and that we are not.

2. He lived in Heaven. Hope this helps. To learn more go to www.Gotquestions.org.

1. Why would a claimed omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient agency need to prove anything to anyone, for which he also needed to create?

2. Where was this claimed God before he created Heaven? Or, did Heaven always exist too?

[BrotherBerry]

1. Why did God create anything at all?
2. What arena/space/other did God dwell within or upon before he first had to create it?

1. God created everything to prove that He is God and that we are not.

2. He lived in Heaven. Hope this helps. To learn more go to www.Gotquestions.org.

1. Why would a claimed omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient agency need to prove anything to anyone, for which he also needed to create?

2. Where was this claimed God before he created Heaven? Or, did Heaven always exist too?

I shouldn't have got in this debate, cuz I don't really know the answer.

I tap out.

[Base12]

1. Why did God create anything at all?

The answer may be found throughout the Bible. Here is a good starting point...

Ephesians 3:9-11 (New Living Translation)
I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning. God’s purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord.

2. What arena/space/other did God dwell within or upon before he first had to create it?

Before God made the Three Heavens, he existed in a place John calls the 'Logos' or Word...

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

https://biblehub.com/greek/3056.htm

A modern analogy would be that the Logos is like a software code that manifests reality. Some would call it a 'Simulation'.

Here is a partial description of it...

1 Timothy 6:16
"Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

It is a place of 'Unapproachable Light'. No one can go there except Jesus. It is a place of information and a type of energy yet to be discovered.

It is the Unified Field and Theory of Everything combined.

[POI]

1. Why did God create anything at all?

The answer may be found throughout the Bible. Here is a good starting point...

Ephesians 3:9-11 (New Living Translation)
I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning. God’s purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord.

2. What arena/space/other did God dwell within or upon before he first had to create it?

Before God made the Three Heavens, he existed in a place John calls the 'Logos' or Word...

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

https://biblehub.com/greek/3056.htm

A modern analogy would be that the Logos is like a software code that manifests reality. Some would call it a 'Simulation'.

Here is a partial description of it...

1 Timothy 6:16
"Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

It is a place of 'Unapproachable Light'. No one can go there except Jesus. It is a place of information and a type of energy yet to be discovered.

It is the Unified Field and Theory of Everything combined.

1. Why would an omnibenevolent, omniscience, and omnipotent agency need to explain himself to others for anything? Seems odd that a God, with such described attributes, would create others in order to prove he is what he says he is? The entire storyline is counterintuitive to basic logic.

2. You just moved the problem back one step. Was this 'Logos' arena a) created, or did it b) always exist? If the answer is a), then where did God dwell before the 'logos' was deemed necessary for God to create? If your response is b), then the idea of 'creation' is unnecessary, as something outside the creator always existed -- which no longer necessitates a "creator".

[Base12]

1. Why would an omnibenevolent, omniscience, and omnipotent agency need to explain himself to others for anything? Seems odd that a God, with such described attributes, would create others in order to prove he is what he says he is? The entire storyline is counterintuitive to basic logic.

Why did your Father conceive you? I guess you would have to ask him.

Sounds like you would have been happier being aborted or staying a Morning Star since you do not appreciate that you exist as a human.

Maybe your Father would have been happier without you in the world? Is that what you believe?

The storyline is not counterintuitive to me and countless others. Unfortunately, you are the one that does not sound logical. Your bitterness is affecting your thinking. Emotion over logic.

2. You just moved the problem back one step. Was this 'Logos' arena a) created, or did it b) always exist? If the answer is a), then where did God dwell before the 'logos' was deemed necessary for God to create? If your response is b), then the idea of 'creation' is unnecessary, as something outside the creator always existed -- which no longer necessitates a "creator".

b) It has always existed. The Logos and the place it exists in is one and the same.

Your last sentence made no sense, sorry.

The Logos is the uncreated realm. Again, it is the Software Code that manifests reality as per Scripture.

It is the unified Trinity. God as One.

[POI]

1. Why would an omnibenevolent, omniscience, and omnipotent agency need to explain himself to others for anything? Seems odd that a God, with such described attributes, would create others in order to prove he is what he says he is? The entire storyline is counterintuitive to basic logic.

Why did your Father conceive you? I guess you would have to ask him.

Sounds like you would have been happier being aborted or staying a Morning Star since you do not appreciate that you exist as a human.

Maybe your Father would have been happier without you in the world? Is that what you believe?

The storyline is not counterintuitive to me and countless others. Unfortunately, you are the one that does not sound logical. Your bitterness is affecting your thinking. Emotion over logic.

Thank you for the completely baseless diatribe. The storyline is counterintuitive to basic logic, for the aforementioned reason I provided. Your response does nothing to counter my position, but instead is a pure 'nuh-uh' response with no substance. By basic definition, an omnibenevolent, omniscience, and omnipotent agency need not explain himself to others for anything.

2. You just moved the problem back one step. Was this 'Logos' arena a) created, or did it b) always exist? If the answer is a), then where did God dwell before the 'logos' was deemed necessary for God to create? If your response is b), then the idea of 'creation' is unnecessary, as something outside the creator always existed -- which no longer necessitates a "creator".

b) It has always existed. The Logos and the place it exists in is one and the same.

Your last sentence made no sense, sorry.

The Logos is the uncreated realm. Again, it is the Software Code that manifests reality as per Scripture.

It is the unified Trinity. God as One.

Then there is no need for "creation". The term 'creator' should then instead be redefined into the term 'change agent.' Maybe the 'universe' always existed, in one form or another, and needed no 'creator.'

[Tcg]

1. Why did God create anything at all?

The answer may be found throughout the Bible. Here is a good starting point...

Ephesians 3:9-11 (New Living Translation)
I was chosen to explain to everyone this mysterious plan that God, the Creator of all things, had kept secret from the beginning. God’s purpose in all this was to use the church to display his wisdom in its rich variety to all the unseen rulers and authorities in the heavenly places. This was his eternal plan, which he carried out through Christ Jesus our Lord.

2. What arena/space/other did God dwell within or upon before he first had to create it?

Before God made the Three Heavens, he existed in a place John calls the 'Logos' or Word...

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

https://biblehub.com/greek/3056.htm

A modern analogy would be that the Logos is like a software code that manifests reality. Some would call it a 'Simulation'.

Here is a partial description of it...

1 Timothy 6:16
"Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen."

It is a place of 'Unapproachable Light'. No one can go there except Jesus. It is a place of information and a type of energy yet to be discovered.

It is the Unified Field and Theory of Everything combined.

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[AquinasForGod]

Yes. hermeneutics. It is a big topic.

Yes, it is a big topic. I've debated hermeneutic scholars who argue Genesis is literal. Since many hermeneutic scholars argue for a literal Genesis, then mentioning "hermeneutic" does not appear to get us any closer to what IS true.

Hence, I ask again, can you please explain how you know the stories in which now look to be far-fetched were not meant to be literal by the author? I'll await your reply in 1-6 weeks

Can you name a few scholars that argue Genesis is all literal? Hell, not even Saint Augustine thought that, and that was in 300 AD.

[POI]

Yes. hermeneutics. It is a big topic.

Yes, it is a big topic. I've debated hermeneutic scholars who argue Genesis is literal. Since many hermeneutic scholars argue for a literal Genesis, then mentioning "hermeneutic" does not appear to get us any closer to what IS true.

Hence, I ask again, can you please explain how you know the stories in which now look to be far-fetched were not meant to be literal by the author? I'll await your reply in 1-6 weeks

Can you name a few scholars that argue Genesis is all literal? Hell, not even Saint Augustine thought that, and that was in 300 AD.

I could name them, but I doubt you would know them. Unless you assume all scholars are in the public eye or something? They were at the church(es) I used to attend. Again, what value does hermeutics serve when it get's us no closer to knowing if a said storyline in the Bible is meant to be literal vs figurative? What other rubric do you have in determining if a said storyline is meant to be literal or not? I'll await your next response in 1-6 weeks, or never.