The armed Christian

[Pastor4Jesus]

DISCLAIMER; THIS THREAD ADDRESSES THE HIGHLY RADICALIZED AND MILITRIZED ISLAMIC TERRORIST. I DENOUNCE ALL TERRORIST ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING THOSE THAT CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIAN. I HAVE NO BIAS AGAINST ANY RELIGION OR ATHEIST BELIEFS. I PERSONALLY LOVE MY PEACEFUL MUSLIM BROTHERS AND SISTERS, AND PRAY THAT THEY PRACTICE THE RELIGION IN A NORMAL NON-RADICALIZED AND REJECT THE RADICAL FALSE PROPHETS.



I think all Christians should be armed where legal and if its not legal those Christians should diligently work to change policy to make it legal. I would suggest that all Christians have several weapons which would include a battle rifle and a pistol then a back up of each with at least a thousand rounds of ammo for each. Also provisions should be stored for a month or more.

Why do I say this? Self defense. There is a radical element in Islam that is intent of destroying the United States, Israel, and what she stands for (the perceived Christian West and values). Of course I am speaking of the highly radicalized/Militized Muslim element. With lets talk about it Obama in office I predict a major terrorist attack on the USA or the west before he leaves office.

As the Islamic terrorists demonstrated they would use any weapon from a box cutter to a AK-47 to explosives to airliners filled with fuel to kill citizens of the west. Their MO in areas where they have free reign is to support coups and takeovers. Considering those facts, I don't think its too conspiracy theorist extreme to envision well funded terrorists attempting to take over a small town or part of a city. Maybe if the terrorists know that a particular group of citizens may be heavily armed, maybe they will pick on someone else. Going armed would send a message to radical Islam and more importantly if all Christians would go armed it would serve a practical purpose if terrorists decide to make an example out of your town.



P4JC

[FinalEnigma]

If we did fight the government, we wouldn't win through an arms race. even if we could buy tanks and such things, the only ones who could afford to are the rich, who would not want revolution.

[Goat]

If we did fight the government, we wouldn't win through an arms race. even if we could buy tanks and such things, the only ones who could afford to are the rich, who would not want revolution.

You mean, I couldn't afford that thermonuclear device??? Oh Darn, and I so needed one for protection.

[East of Eden]

Detroit is the Murder Capital, and is choked with handguns.

The bad guys don't care about gun laws.

How many times are black men riddled with police bullets because it was assumed that they were armed and held nothing more than a cell phone or nothing at all?

What, you want to disarm the police?

Handguns are the #1 killer in domestic violence.

Most of those involved in domestic violence have prior criminal records, they're not exactly Ward and June Cleaver.

Guns do not prevent poverty,

Who said they did? That's like me saying gun laws don't cure cancer.

So you going to sit on your roof with a 50 caliber machine gun all night?

During the Rodney King riots, I remember many store owners who did just that. Not surprisingly, their stores weren't looted by the thugs.

Same thing after Hurricane Katrina, when the police went AWOL.

In poverty-stricken areas, high levels of violence occur not just because there are more criminals. Honest citizens feel compelled to arm themselves against crime because the police response time is so slow or non-existant. (or they are too busy busting minor drug offenders, helping to keep the prisons full and ensuring that more poor blacks will be marginalized). This is not the case when they get 911 calls from more affluent areas. The lack of police encourages criminals and results in a vicious circle. Criminals are more likely to engage in armed robbery because they assume homeowners or store clerks are armed.

Actually, that would make them less likely. They may be criminals, but they aren't stupid.

Life in prison or a bullet does not deter them but rather causes them to shoot pre-emptively.

Cite?

New Orleans cops are the most corrupt in the US. Of course they left the poor on their own.

Which is why the poor have a right to self-defense too.

Looting started when people were abandoned by Bush

Bush's fault, huh? I guess Hurricane Andrew was Clinton's fault.

[sickles]

DISCLAIMER; THIS THREAD ADDRESSES THE HIGHLY RADICALIZED AND MILITRIZED ISLAMIC TERRORIST. I DENOUNCE ALL TERRORIST ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING THOSE THAT CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIAN. I HAVE NO BIAS AGAINST ANY RELIGION OR ATHEIST BELIEFS. I PERSONALLY LOVE MY PEACEFUL MUSLIM BROTHERS AND SISTERS, AND PRAY THAT THEY PRACTICE THE RELIGION IN A NORMAL NON-RADICALIZED AND REJECT THE RADICAL FALSE PROPHETS.



I think all Christians should be armed where legal and if its not legal those Christians should diligently work to change policy to make it legal. I would suggest that all Christians have several weapons which would include a battle rifle and a pistol then a back up of each with at least a thousand rounds of ammo for each. Also provisions should be stored for a month or more.

Why do I say this? Self defense. There is a radical element in Islam that is intent of destroying the United States, Israel, and what she stands for (the perceived Christian West and values). Of course I am speaking of the highly radicalized/Militized Muslim element. With lets talk about it Obama in office I predict a major terrorist attack on the USA or the west before he leaves office.

As the Islamic terrorists demonstrated they would use any weapon from a box cutter to a AK-47 to explosives to airliners filled with fuel to kill citizens of the west. Their MO in areas where they have free reign is to support coups and takeovers. Considering those facts, I don't think its too conspiracy theorist extreme to envision well funded terrorists attempting to take over a small town or part of a city. Maybe if the terrorists know that a particular group of citizens may be heavily armed, maybe they will pick on someone else. Going armed would send a message to radical Islam and more importantly if all Christians would go armed it would serve a practical purpose if terrorists decide to make an example out of your town.



P4JC

I agree, but why encourage just christians? why not encourage everyone ? dont want the athiests armed?

"the greatest injustice the british thrust upon the indian people is taking away thier arms." ~Ghandi....

yes thats right, ghandi.

[JohnnyJersey]

DISCLAIMER; THIS THREAD ADDRESSES THE HIGHLY RADICALIZED AND MILITRIZED ISLAMIC TERRORIST. I DENOUNCE ALL TERRORIST ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING THOSE THAT CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIAN. I HAVE NO BIAS AGAINST ANY RELIGION OR ATHEIST BELIEFS. I PERSONALLY LOVE MY PEACEFUL MUSLIM BROTHERS AND SISTERS, AND PRAY THAT THEY PRACTICE THE RELIGION IN A NORMAL NON-RADICALIZED AND REJECT THE RADICAL FALSE PROPHETS.



I think all Christians should be armed where legal and if its not legal those Christians should diligently work to change policy to make it legal. I would suggest that all Christians have several weapons which would include a battle rifle and a pistol then a back up of each with at least a thousand rounds of ammo for each. Also provisions should be stored for a month or more.

Why do I say this? Self defense. There is a radical element in Islam that is intent of destroying the United States, Israel, and what she stands for (the perceived Christian West and values). Of course I am speaking of the highly radicalized/Militized Muslim element. With lets talk about it Obama in office I predict a major terrorist attack on the USA or the west before he leaves office.

As the Islamic terrorists demonstrated they would use any weapon from a box cutter to a AK-47 to explosives to airliners filled with fuel to kill citizens of the west. Their MO in areas where they have free reign is to support coups and takeovers. Considering those facts, I don't think its too conspiracy theorist extreme to envision well funded terrorists attempting to take over a small town or part of a city. Maybe if the terrorists know that a particular group of citizens may be heavily armed, maybe they will pick on someone else. Going armed would send a message to radical Islam and more importantly if all Christians would go armed it would serve a practical purpose if terrorists decide to make an example out of your town.



P4JC

All Christians' faith should be in God, not guns. This isn't to say there is never a time for a Christian to use a gun, because there are such times. However, in everyday, normal living in a safe nation like the US it is NOT normal to carry guns around. We have police, we have a government, we have a military.

The message sent by carrying guns is "My faith is in my gun, not God, to protect myself." Guns don't protect Christians, God does. It is very possible to carry a gun with yourself EVERYWHERE and STILL be killed by somehne who wants to kill you badly enough. A gun will not protect you while you sleep, or from a bomb, or a suicide bomber/attacker, or a sniper, or a clever killer who catches you unaware. A gun is simply a weapon, it is not protection any more than a knife, a can of wasp spray, a jar of acid, a hammer, fists, or any other would-be weapon.

I love the term "gun nuts", because it seems that the vast majority of gun advocates go far beyond what is reasonable and are indeed gun NUTS. We don't have time for that kind of nonsense in this country.

Far more important for Christians than stupid guns and worrying about terrorism to the point people are going to do something stupid like carry guns around is being armed with the Whole Armor of God. Look in the Bible and compare how much is said about the battle between good and evil SPIRITUALLY and how virtually nothing is commanded regarding physical protection with weapons. Look at Christ and His Disciples who, when it came time to have Christ arrested, had no more than two daggers amongst them all, and those being utility daggers, not weapons (akin to a camping or hunting knife, not a battle sword). Christ and the Disciples never carried weapons. The one time a Disciple used his sword against a person Christ quickly and sharply told him to put the sword away.

This thread illustrates the problem with so-called Christian Fundamentalists in this nation; many who identify as Christian Fundamentalists are NOT such, but are Christian moderates or liberals. You have in this thread a PASTOR advocating for guns while the crisis in Christianity is a severe lack of Christians being able to wear the Armor of God and use the Sword of the Word of God appropriately. We are losing spiritual battles and so many "clergy" are directing attention to silly things like guns and terrorism as if those are things a Christian considers a priority (but we ought not, and many of us know this).

Certain Christians in the USA need to stop worrying about guns completely and start worrying about what's TRULY important. In the meantime, they're just making ridiculous spectacles of themselves and aligning with ridiculous, worldly political allies that they should have very little to do with.

[cnorman18]

DISCLAIMER; THIS THREAD ADDRESSES THE HIGHLY RADICALIZED AND MILITRIZED ISLAMIC TERRORIST. I DENOUNCE ALL TERRORIST ACTIVITIES, INCLUDING THOSE THAT CLAIM TO BE CHRISTIAN. I HAVE NO BIAS AGAINST ANY RELIGION OR ATHEIST BELIEFS. I PERSONALLY LOVE MY PEACEFUL MUSLIM BROTHERS AND SISTERS, AND PRAY THAT THEY PRACTICE THE RELIGION IN A NORMAL NON-RADICALIZED AND REJECT THE RADICAL FALSE PROPHETS.



I think all Christians should be armed where legal and if its not legal those Christians should diligently work to change policy to make it legal. I would suggest that all Christians have several weapons which would include a battle rifle and a pistol then a back up of each with at least a thousand rounds of ammo for each. Also provisions should be stored for a month or more.

Why do I say this? Self defense. There is a radical element in Islam that is intent of destroying the United States, Israel, and what she stands for (the perceived Christian West and values). Of course I am speaking of the highly radicalized/Militized Muslim element. With lets talk about it Obama in office I predict a major terrorist attack on the USA or the west before he leaves office.

As the Islamic terrorists demonstrated they would use any weapon from a box cutter to a AK-47 to explosives to airliners filled with fuel to kill citizens of the west. Their MO in areas where they have free reign is to support coups and takeovers. Considering those facts, I don't think its too conspiracy theorist extreme to envision well funded terrorists attempting to take over a small town or part of a city. Maybe if the terrorists know that a particular group of citizens may be heavily armed, maybe they will pick on someone else. Going armed would send a message to radical Islam and more importantly if all Christians would go armed it would serve a practical purpose if terrorists decide to make an example out of your town.



P4JC

All Christians' faith should be in God, not guns. This isn't to say there is never a time for a Christian to use a gun, because there are such times. However, in everyday, normal living in a safe nation like the US it is NOT normal to carry guns around. We have police, we have a government, we have a military.

The message sent by carrying guns is "My faith is in my gun, not God, to protect myself." Guns don't protect Christians, God does. It is very possible to carry a gun with yourself EVERYWHERE and STILL be killed by somehne who wants to kill you badly enough. A gun will not protect you while you sleep, or from a bomb, or a suicide bomber/attacker, or a sniper, or a clever killer who catches you unaware. A gun is simply a weapon, it is not protection any more than a knife, a can of wasp spray, a jar of acid, a hammer, fists, or any other would-be weapon.

I love the term "gun nuts", because it seems that the vast majority of gun advocates go far beyond what is reasonable and are indeed gun NUTS. We don't have time for that kind of nonsense in this country.

Far more important for Christians than stupid guns and worrying about terrorism to the point people are going to do something stupid like carry guns around is being armed with the Whole Armor of God. Look in the Bible and compare how much is said about the battle between good and evil SPIRITUALLY and how virtually nothing is commanded regarding physical protection with weapons. Look at Christ and His Disciples who, when it came time to have Christ arrested, had no more than two daggers amongst them all, and those being utility daggers, not weapons (akin to a camping or hunting knife, not a battle sword). Christ and the Disciples never carried weapons. The one time a Disciple used his sword against a person Christ quickly and sharply told him to put the sword away.

This thread illustrates the problem with so-called Christian Fundamentalists in this nation; many who identify as Christian Fundamentalists are NOT such, but are Christian moderates or liberals. You have in this thread a PASTOR advocating for guns while the crisis in Christianity is a severe lack of Christians being able to wear the Armor of God and use the Sword of the Word of God appropriately. We are losing spiritual battles and so many "clergy" are directing attention to silly things like guns and terrorism as if those are things a Christian considers a priority (but we ought not, and many of us know this).

Certain Christians in the USA need to stop worrying about guns completely and start worrying about what's TRULY important. In the meantime, they're just making ridiculous spectacles of themselves and aligning with ridiculous, worldly political allies that they should have very little to do with.

Faith in God is all very well, but we Jews learned what God's promises of protection are worth aboul a half-century back. Old Arabic saying: "Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel."

The idea that civilized people go unarmed is worth rethinking in the modern world. I carry daily, no one knows that, and I have displayed my gun twice and thereby prevented or ended a violent crime. If you have a signed note from God guaranteeing that there will never be a third occasion when I need my firearm, I'll stop carrying. Otherwise, yeah; I trust my pistol to protect me more than I trust God.

I believe in God. I just don't think He's my personal bodyguard. Moses didn't have one.

[Goat]

Faith in God is all very well, but we Jews learned what God's promises of protection are worth aboul a half-century back. Old Arabic saying: "Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel."

The idea that civilized people go unarmed is worth rethinking in the modern world. I carry daily, no one knows that, and I have displayed my gun twice and thereby prevented or ended a violent crime. If you have a signed note from God guaranteeing that there will never be a third occasion when I need my firearm, I'll stop carrying. Otherwise, yeah; I trust my pistol to protect me more than I trust God.

I believe in God. I just don't think He's my personal bodyguard. Moses didn't have one.

I don't know about that. I have never carried a gun, and never got robbed, or mugged, or threatened. Yes, things happened around here, but the fact I can go a life time without any of that happening shows that it can happen.

[cnorman18]

Faith in God is all very well, but we Jews learned what God's promises of protection are worth aboul a half-century back. Old Arabic saying: "Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel."

The idea that civilized people go unarmed is worth rethinking in the modern world. I carry daily, no one knows that, and I have displayed my gun twice and thereby prevented or ended a violent crime. If you have a signed note from God guaranteeing that there will never be a third occasion when I need my firearm, I'll stop carrying. Otherwise, yeah; I trust my pistol to protect me more than I trust God.

I believe in God. I just don't think He's my personal bodyguard. Moses didn't have one.

I don't know about that. I have never carried a gun, and never got robbed, or mugged, or threatened. Yes, things happened around here, but the fact I can go a life time without any of that happening shows that it can happen.

Guns aren't for everyone. If you aren't comfortable carrying, or if you wouldn't be willing to use your weapon in extremis, you shouldn't carry one.

A concealed-carry firearm is like an insurance policy. You hope you never need it, and few licensed carriers ever do; even cops typically never fire a single shot in earnest in a 20-year career.

But as some formerly anti-gun politician said after she was mugged and changed her tune, "Few people will ever need a gun. But if you do need one, nothing else will do." I've been in that situation twice, and I count a third time, as I've related elsewhere, when my guns saved my life without my even knowing it till after the fact.

No disrespect to those who decline to carry or even to those who think it unnecessary, but I'm not givin' 'em up. Sometimes it is necessary. That's a fact.

[JohnnyJersey]

Faith in God is all very well, but we Jews learned what God's promises of protection are worth aboul a half-century back. Old Arabic saying: "Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel."

The idea that civilized people go unarmed is worth rethinking in the modern world. I carry daily, no one knows that, and I have displayed my gun twice and thereby prevented or ended a violent crime. If you have a signed note from God guaranteeing that there will never be a third occasion when I need my firearm, I'll stop carrying. Otherwise, yeah; I trust my pistol to protect me more than I trust God.

I believe in God. I just don't think He's my personal bodyguard. Moses didn't have one.

I don't expect that you or any non-Christian would understand; I was addressing the OP who advocated, as a Christian, that Christians ought to carry guns for protection. My point regarding his message is that it is incompatible with Christianity. Again, that is not to say that carrying a gun is always an incompatibility with Christianity; as Christians, we should reasonably use what God has given us to take care of ourselves. I have faith in God to provide for me if I need food, clothing, shelter, and even other things; however, I am not going to just sit at home and not work, because I should do what I can to help myself. Even then, I'm not going to go to extremes to where my faith in God is displaced by faith in something else, such as a job. If I have a job, it is by God's grace that I have one and He is the one who gives me that opportunity. If I don't, He is in charge of that, too. From my end, I am expected to do what I reasonably can do to support myself.

When it comes to protecting myself, things are no different. I am careful if I'm in a dangerous neighborhood, I lock my car and my home, I keep my money in a bank; all of these are safety/security measures, and they are reasonable. But to carry a gun around is going to an extreme. If I REALLY wanted to be safe, I wouldn't venture out amongst crowds where there could be people who want to harm me, but that's a ridiculous extreme also. Now, if I lived out in the desert or the country where I was all alone, I'd keep a gun in the house; still, I wouldn't take it with me into town or otherwise tote it around when I'm interacting with society. THAT is the stuff of gun nuts. That is what's extreme and unreasonable, and for a Christian it bears the added stigma of indicating a lack of faith in God.

So, what you think or do really has no bearing on what Christians are supposed to do. I would expect the world of non-believers to be a scary place where they want to carry guns around to protect themselves, as death is scarier for them anyway. I'm surprised more of them don't do it. But for Christians it is a different matter, we have God in whom we put our faith. If it is His Will that we be protected, we will be protected, gun or no gun. If it is His Will that we fall victim to crime, then that will happen, gun or no gun. Guns are no guarantee against victimization by crime, no matter how much the idiotic gun nuts try to present this argument.

I'm glad I live in a state that is one of the safest in the nation and where the gun nuts don't have their way. I definitely see a correlation there. If we allowed people to carry guns there would be certainly far more shootings and killings, like in the more backwards states in the USA. Thank God I live in New Jersey where we are tough on crime and believe in Liberty and Prosperity.

[WinePusher]

Faith in God is all very well, but we Jews learned what God's promises of protection are worth aboul a half-century back. Old Arabic saying: "Trust in Allah, but tie up your camel."

The idea that civilized people go unarmed is worth rethinking in the modern world. I carry daily, no one knows that, and I have displayed my gun twice and thereby prevented or ended a violent crime. If you have a signed note from God guaranteeing that there will never be a third occasion when I need my firearm, I'll stop carrying. Otherwise, yeah; I trust my pistol to protect me more than I trust God.

I believe in God. I just don't think He's my personal bodyguard. Moses didn't have one.

I don't know about that. I have never carried a gun, and never got robbed, or mugged, or threatened. Yes, things happened around here, but the fact I can go a life time without any of that happening shows that it can happen.

Guns aren't for everyone. If you aren't comfortable carrying, or if you wouldn't be willing to use your weapon in extremis, you shouldn't carry one.

A concealed-carry firearm is like an insurance policy. You hope you never need it, and few licensed carriers ever do; even cops typically never fire a single shot in earnest in a 20-year career.

But as some formerly anti-gun politician said after she was mugged and changed her tune, "Few people will ever need a gun. But if you do need one, nothing else will do." I've been in that situation twice, and I count a third time, as I've related elsewhere, when my guns saved my life without my even knowing it till after the fact.

No disrespect to those who decline to carry or even to those who think it unnecessary, but I'm not givin' 'em up. Sometimes it is necessary. That's a fact.

You're missing the point of gun rights. They were put in place by our founding fathers for the citizens to be able to defend themselves aganist government tyranny