Should at Least Make Evolutionists Consider

[Purple Knight]

Question for Debate: Why, and how, does the muntjac deer have only seven pairs of chromosomes?

Please don't look this up, at least until you've considered for a moment how weird this is. Imagine you have 20 pairs of chromosomes, and you have a baby that has sixteen pairs. He shouldn't be able to breed with the rest of your species.

Is this at least weird? A regular deer has around 40-70 chromosomes. Is it at least strange that he can even be alive having lost that much genetic information? One more halving and he'll be a fruit fly (they have 4 pairs).

[The Barbarian]

Evolution is a false theory that has no fountation since abiogenesis is clearly a lie.[/b]

Two major errors there:
1. God says that the Earth brought forth living things. Why not just believe Him? Science merely confirms what Christians have always known.

2. Evolutionary theory makes no claims about how life began. If God had magically poofed living things into existence, evolution would still work as we see it working today.

You have some major misconceptions about the Bible and about science. That's curable, you know. Why not do some catching up and then come back and join the discussion?

[marke]

Evolution is a false theory that has no fountation since abiogenesis is clearly a lie.[/b]

Two major errors there:
1. God says that the Earth brought forth living things. Why not just believe Him? Science merely confirms what Christians have always known.

2. Evolutionary theory makes no claims about how life began. If God had magically poofed living things into existence, evolution would still work as we see it working today.

You have some major misconceptions about the Bible and about science. That's curable, you know. Why not do some catching up and then come back and join the discussion?

Marke: Too many unbelieving scientists do not believe God created all kinds and species of living creatures on earth in the single week of creation.

[Clownboat]

Too many unbelieving scientists do not believe God created all kinds and species of living creatures on earth in the single week of creation.

Two errors were pointed out to you in post 121. Why did you ignore them? If you are correct, put Barbarian in his place and make him correct his own thinking.

One thing is for sure. Nothing you have posted so far is going to convince these unbelieving scientists!

[marke]

Evolution is a false theory that has no fountation since abiogenesis is clearly a lie.[/b]

Two major errors there:
1. God says that the Earth brought forth living things. Why not just believe Him? Science merely confirms what Christians have always known.

2. Evolutionary theory makes no claims about how life began. If God had magically poofed living things into existence, evolution would still work as we see it working today.

You have some major misconceptions about the Bible and about science. That's curable, you know. Why not do some catching up and then come back and join the discussion?

Marke:

Genesis 1:12
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:21
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 30:39
And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.

Psalm 105:30
Their land brought forth frogs in abundance, in the chambers of their kings.

Matthew 13:7-9
King James Version
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Mothers bring forth children but mothers do not give children life, that comes only from God. The ground brings forth fruit but the ground does not give fruit life, that only comes from God. Forests bring forth animals but forests do not create animals, that is God's business.

Evolution is as dumb as a bag of rocks when it comes to explaining how the extremely complicated process was supposed to have begun. When and how was DNA created? By stupid freakish accident? Of course evolutionists must take a system already created by God in order to assume natural selection took it stupidly and accidentally from there.

[The Barbarian]

Two major errors there:
1. God says that the Earth brought forth living things. Why not just believe Him? Science merely confirms what Christians have always known.

2. Evolutionary theory makes no claims about how life began. If God had magically poofed living things into existence, evolution would still work as we see it working today.

You have some major misconceptions about the Bible and about science. That's curable, you know. Why not do some catching up and then come back and join the discussion?

Mothers bring forth children but mothers do not give children life, that comes only from God.

As God tells you, He created living things by having the nature He created, bring them forth. Why not just accept it His way?

Evolution is as dumb as a bag of rocks when it comes to explaining how the extremely complicated process was supposed to have begun.

Pretty much like gravitational theory is as dumb as a bag of rocks when it comes to explaining how the extremely complicated process was supposed to have begun. As you learned, evolutionary theory isn't about the way life began. The theory assumes that life began, and describes how it changes over time.

When and how was DNA created?

God says it came from nature, as He intended.

By stupid freakish accident?

That's kind of disrespectful to God. But of course, God can use contingency just as surely as He can use contingency to do His will.

Of course evolutionists must take a system already created by God in order to assume natural selection took it stupidly and accidentally from there.

Darwin's great discovery was that it wasn't by chance. This goes back to your problems understanding science and scripture. Do some reading and you'll do better here.

[Clownboat]

Mothers bring forth children but mothers do not give children life, that comes only from God.

The reproductive process is fully understood and the gods are not involved.

The ground brings forth fruit but the ground does not give fruit life, that only comes from God.

The gods are not needed for fruit production. Sowing is understood.

Forests bring forth animals but forests do not create animals, that is God's business.

The gods are not needed for animals to birth other animals. Animal reproduction is understood.

What's not a surprise is that ancient humans that didn't fully understand the above would credit the gods. That is how Thor became the God of thunder after all. Before tectonic plates were discovered, the gods were credited for earthquakes.

Evolution is as dumb as a bag of rocks when it comes to explaining how the extremely complicated process was supposed to have begun.

Evolution explains the changes we see in populations quite nicely. Understanding it might be hard for some humans, so the gods are available for such people to then credit. 'God did it' is easy and no study or work is needed.

When and how was DNA created?

Likely from RNA, but we don't actually know.

By stupid freakish accident?

Possibly, but again, we just don't know.

Of course evolutionists must take a system already created by God in order to assume natural selection took it stupidly and accidentally from there.

You're just assuming facts that are not in evidence. This leads to incorrect thinking.

Humans fear what they don't understand. So when things were not known, the gods were credited to alleviate this fear. Once the processes became understood, the gods were no longer required.
I'm not fearful to say "I don't know". Not knowing leads to learning. Pretending to have answers to unknowns (the gods did it) stops learning.

[marke]

Two major errors there:
1. God says that the Earth brought forth living things. Why not just believe Him? Science merely confirms what Christians have always known.

Marke: There is no hint of speciation changes instituted by God.
Genesis 1:11
And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.

Genesis 1:12
And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:21
And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:24
And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Genesis 1:25
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 6:20
Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

Genesis 7:14
They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

2. Evolutionary theory makes no claims about how life began. If God had magically poofed living things into existence, evolution would still work as we see it working today.

Marke: Evolutionists think life somehow poofed into existence but without God and with evolution, which is unscientific babbling nonsense.

You have some major misconceptions about the Bible and about science. That's curable, you know. Why not do some catching up and then come back and join the discussion?

Mothers bring forth children but mothers do not give children life, that comes only from God.

As God tells you, He created living things by having the nature He created, bring them forth. Why not just accept it His way?

Marke: Claiming mothers brought forth their children by evolution is utter nonsense.

Evolution is as dumb as a bag of rocks when it comes to explaining how the extremely complicated process was supposed to have begun.

Pretty much like gravitational theory is as dumb as a bag of rocks when it comes to explaining how the extremely complicated process was supposed to have begun. As you learned, evolutionary theory isn't about the way life began. The theory assumes that life began, and describes how it changes over time.

Marke: You mention gravity yet unbelievers have no idea where or how gravity could have been formed in the beginning without God.

When and how was DNA created?

God says it came from nature, as He intended.

Marke: You presume too much in error. Where does God say DNA was formed by a freak accident of nature after God created original life on earth?

By stupid freakish accident?

That's kind of disrespectful to God. But of course, God can use contingency just as surely as He can use contingency to do His will.

Marke: The Bible said God made different creatures after their kind to produce offspring after their same kind. Where does God say evolutionary or speciation changes would take place?

Of course evolutionists must take a system already created by God in order to assume natural selection took it stupidly and accidentally from there.

Darwin's great discovery was that it wasn't by chance. This goes back to your problems understanding science and scripture. Do some reading and you'll do better here.

Marke: Has Darwin convinced you that speciation changes took place by intelligent design and not by chance? Did Darwin convince you that 'natural selection' has superior intelligence and miraculous powers to enact changes? If so, why has natural selection not given mothers more hands in order to deal with large numbers of children and lazy husbands at the same time?

[marke]

Mothers bring forth children but mothers do not give children life, that comes only from God.

The reproductive process is fully understood and the gods are not involved.

Marke: Just because low intelligence wannabe scientists think God is not involved in the reproduction of life does not mean the bozos are right.

The ground brings forth fruit but the ground does not give fruit life, that only comes from God.

The gods are not needed for fruit production. Sowing is understood.

Marke: Humans have never yet been able to impart life to plants. The proof is in the fact that artificial plants can never grow and reproduce like real plants made by God.

Forests bring forth animals but forests do not create animals, that is God's business.

The gods are not needed for animals to birth other animals. Animal reproduction is understood.

Marke: Animals do not make their offspring grow. God does that.

What's not a surprise is that ancient humans that didn't fully understand the above would credit the gods. That is how Thor became the God of thunder after all. Before tectonic plates were discovered, the gods were credited for earthquakes.

Evolution is as dumb as a bag of rocks when it comes to explaining how the extremely complicated process was supposed to have begun.

Evolution explains the changes we see in populations quite nicely. Understanding it might be hard for some humans, so the gods are available for such people to then credit. 'God did it' is easy and no study or work is needed.

When and how was DNA created?

Likely from RNA, but we don't actually know.

Marke: The most closed-minded dabblers in science, like Richard Dawkins, have no idea how DNA could have been developed without God but they ignorantly insist God was not involved.

By stupid freakish accident?

Possibly, but again, we just don't know.

Marke: Attempting to disprove God from a position of ignorance is not the best approach.

Of course evolutionists must take a system already created by God in order to assume natural selection took it stupidly and accidentally from there.

You're just assuming facts that are not in evidence. This leads to incorrect thinking.

Humans fear what they don't understand. So when things were not known, the gods were credited to alleviate this fear. Once the processes became understood, the gods were no longer required.
I'm not fearful to say "I don't know". Not knowing leads to learning. Pretending to have answers to unknowns (the gods did it) stops learning.

Marke: After fighting against God their whole lives and then dying in their sins, the condemned will discover that their obstinate rebellion has led them into horrible destruction.

[The Barbarian]

Marke: Evolutionists think life somehow poofed into existence but without God and with evolution, which is unscientific babbling nonsense.

You have some major misconceptions about the Bible and about science. That's curable, you know. Why not do some catching up and then come back and join the discussion?

Mothers bring forth children but mothers do not give children life, that comes only from God.

As God tells you, He created living things by having the nature He created, bring them forth. Why not just accept it His way?

Evolution is as dumb as a bag of rocks when it comes to explaining how the extremely complicated process was supposed to have begun.

Pretty much like gravitational theory is as dumb as a bag of rocks when it comes to explaining how the extremely complicated process was supposed to have begun. As you learned, evolutionary theory isn't about the way life began. The theory assumes that life began, and describes how it changes over time.

You mention gravity yet unbelievers have no idea where or how gravity could have been formed in the beginning without God.

Not a problem for science, which only deals with the physical universe, not how it began.

When and how was DNA created?

God says it came from nature, as He intended.

You presume too much in error. Where does God say DNA was formed by a freak accident of nature after God created original life on earth?

The Bible says that He created the Earth to bring forth life. Why would you think that was a "freak accident?"
That's kind of disrespectful to God. But of course, God can use contingency just as surely as He can use necessity to do His will.

The Bible said God made different creatures after their kind to produce offspring after their same kind. Where does God say evolutionary or speciation changes would take place?

Same place He said that protons would be in the nucleus of atoms. Not everything that's true is in scripture.

Of course evolutionists must take a system already created by God in order to assume natural selection took it stupidly and accidentally from there.

Darwin's great discovery was that it wasn't by chance. This goes back to your problems understanding science and scripture. Do some reading and you'll do better here.

Has Darwin convinced you that speciation changes took place by intelligent design and not by chance?

No more than a market economy works by "intelligent design" or chance. Such things don't need either to be by chance or by design. You see, the universe is organized to produce living things with the capability of evolving new taxa. Pretty much like human economies are organized with the capability of efficiently allocating goods and services. Even if no one designed it.

God just created things that way. This is why engineers are copying evolutionary processes to solve very complex problems. God's way works better than design.

Did Darwin convince you that 'natural selection' has superior intelligence and miraculous powers to enact changes?

No more than a market economy has superior intelligence and miraculous powers. The "hidden hand" described by Adam Smith is mindless but efficient.

If so, why has natural selection not given mothers more hands in order to deal with large numbers of children and lazy husbands at the same time?

Excellent question. And Darwin had the answer. You see, even if we'd be better with four hands, primates couldn't evolve them, because the transitional forms would be maladaptive and therefore selected against. The transitional forms must at least not reduce fitness for any adaptation to evolve.

[The Barbarian]

Marke: After fighting against God their whole lives and then dying in their sins, the condemned will discover that their obstinate rebellion has led them into horrible destruction.

Fortunately, God doesn't care if you approve or disapprove of evolution. That's not how you will be judged. So YE creationists are no less Christians than the rest of us, unless they make an idol of creationism and insist that one must believe it to be saved. Reject evolution if you will; just don't try to replace God with your new doctrines.