There are currently five categories which the U.S. legally recognizes in which persons may voluntarily identify and classify themselves as, according to their self-evident, self-recognized and self-identified common ancestral racial traits of national and geographic origins. None of these categories are Homo sapiens.
http://atlas.usafa.af.mil/meo/Discri~1.htm
http://www.withylaw.com/distopic.htm
http://www.wvf.state.wv.us/eeo/NO.htm
http://mountain-prairie.fws.gov/dcr/Basis.htm
http://www.niehs.nih.gov/oeeo/national.htm
As far as the U.S. legal system is concerned, there does not seem to be any legally protected class of persons called Homo sapiens or any ancestral category of persons named Homo erectus from whom Homo sapiens are believed by neo-Darwinists to have descended.
Since it may reasonably be considered to be a violation of their civil rights to have their human ancestors related to, or called, anything other than what the U.S. Government recognizes as legally protected classes of persons, I respectfully submit that teachers and students in U.S. public school systems who publically volunteer to self-identify and self-classify themselves as members of any of the legally recognized and protected classes of persons established by law, may not be involuntarily labeled and classified as Homo sapiens in public schools without their written consent or the written consent of their parents or legal guardians.
Otherwise, if state governments continue to mandate and impose evolutionary neo-Darwinist beliefs and teachings about the human ancestry of the five legitimate racial catagories in which students and teachers have voluntarily chosen to identify and classify themselves as, then public school students and teachers have every right to sue the state for civil rights violations and a redress of racial and ancestral grievances.
Evolutionist Discrimination in Public Education.
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Post #101
No, they are not. Living cells consist of much more than a few bacteria, according to Michael Behe, at least. Are you a bio-chemist now, Grumpy?Grumpy wrote:JC said:Bacteria are living cells already.Genetic mutations occur in bacteria all the time but bacteria never evolve into into a living cell.
Post #102
JC
Grumpy
If Behe says bacteria are not living cells(and I find it hard to believe that even he is that stupid) then by that standard I am a better biochemist than he is. Bacteria are each and every one a living cell. You would know that had you a clue of what you speak of.No, they are not. Living cells consist of much more than a few bacteria, according to Michael Behe, at least. Are you a bio-chemist now, Grumpy?
Yes, that's the difference between your racism and the truth.Gee, Grumpy, your evolutionist rhetoric in this diatribe almost exceeds mine. How different our respective viewpoints are. You see only one human species on Earth and no human racial groups and I see 5 U.S. racial groups and 5 neo-Darwinist 'species' in human history.
Grumpy
Post #103
Neo-Darwinist bio-chemists and scientists like you, Grumpy, are giving a bad name to, and undermining beliefs in, biological science itself.Grumpy wrote:If Behe says bacteria are not living cells(and I find it hard to believe that even he is that stupid) then by that standard I am a better biochemist than he is. Bacteria are each and every one a living cell. You would know that had you a clue of what you speak of.
Post #104
JC
Bacteria are often maligned as the causes of human and animal disease (like this one, Leptospira, which causes serious disease in livestock). However, certain bacteria, the actinomycetes, produce antibiotics such as streptomycin and nocardicin; others live symbiotically in the guts of animals (including humans) or elsewhere in their bodies, or on the roots of certain plants, converting nitrogen into a usable form. Bacteria put the tang in yogurt and the sour in sourdough bread; bacteria help to break down dead organic matter; bacteria make up the base of the food web in many environments. Bacteria are of such immense importance because of their extreme flexibility, capacity for rapid growth and reproduction, and great age - the oldest fossils known, nearly 3.5 billion years old, are fossils of bacteria-like organisms.
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http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/bacteria/bacteria.html
Grumpy
Bacteria are often maligned as the causes of human and animal disease (like this one, Leptospira, which causes serious disease in livestock). However, certain bacteria, the actinomycetes, produce antibiotics such as streptomycin and nocardicin; others live symbiotically in the guts of animals (including humans) or elsewhere in their bodies, or on the roots of certain plants, converting nitrogen into a usable form. Bacteria put the tang in yogurt and the sour in sourdough bread; bacteria help to break down dead organic matter; bacteria make up the base of the food web in many environments. Bacteria are of such immense importance because of their extreme flexibility, capacity for rapid growth and reproduction, and great age - the oldest fossils known, nearly 3.5 billion years old, are fossils of bacteria-like organisms.
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http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/bacteria/bacteria.html
Huh??? To say that bacteria are not alive is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard. And I'm the one giving something a bad name??? I can't wait to see you backing out of this one, I'll enjoy that(actually I just said that so you won't retract your obviously erronious blather so your...let's say lack of knowledge will continue to be displayed for the humor of all).Neo-Darwinist bio-chemists and scientists like you, Grumpy, are giving a bad name to, and undermining beliefs in, biological science itself.
Grumpy
Post #106
Just because bacteria attack living organisms doesn't necessarily imply that they are living organisms like a living cell which can replicate itself.Grumpy wrote:Huh??? To say that bacteria are not alive is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard. And I'm the one giving something a bad name??? I can't wait to see you backing out of this one, I'll enjoy that(actually I just said that so you won't retract your obviously erronious blather so your...let's say lack of knowledge will continue to be displayed for the humor of all).
btw, Grumpy, how does bacteria come into existence? Does it breed and reproduce new bacteria? Is one form of bacteria interfertile with other forms. Maybe you could enlighten us in this regard, and reinstate biology as a reputable science.
Post #107
JC
Just so you can see how confused and in error you really are I will post this:
Case #6: Virus Or Bacterium?
Our Challenge: Determine the ways that viruses and bacteria are different.
Because bacteria and viruses cause many of the diseases we're familiar with, people often confuse these two microbes. But viruses are as different from bacteria as goldfish are from giraffes.
For one thing, they differ greatly in size. The biggest viruses are only as large as the tiniest bacteria.
Another difference is their structure. Bacteria are complex compared to viruses.
© Eric MacDicken
A typical bacterium has a rigid cell wall and a thin, rubbery cell membrane surrounding the fluid, or cytoplasm (sigh-toe-plasm), inside the cell. A bacterium contains all of the genetic information needed to make copies of itself—its DNA—in a structure called a chromosome (crow-moe-soam). In addition, it may have extra loose bits of DNA called plasmids floating in the cytoplasm. Bacteria also have ribosomes (rye-bo-soams), tools necessary for copying DNA so bacteria can reproduce. Some have threadlike structures called flagella that they use to move.
© Eric MacDicken
A virus may or may not have an outermost spiky layer called the envelope. All viruses have a protein coat and a core of genetic material, either DNA or RNA. And that's it. Period.
Which brings us to the main difference between viruses and bacteria—the way they reproduce.
Viral vs. Bacterial Reproduction
Bacteria contain the genetic blueprint (DNA) and all the tools (ribosomes, proteins, etc.) they need to reproduce themselves.
Viruses are moochers. They contain only a limited genetic blueprint and they don't have the necessary building tools. They have to invade other cells and hijack their cellular machinery to reproduce. Viruses invade by attaching to a cell and injecting their genes or by being swallowed up by the cell.
Here's an example of viral infection. This is virus version of the horror movie Alien.
© James A. Sullivan
These are T4 bacteriophages (back-tear-e-oh-faj-es). They are a kind of virus that infects bacteria. Here they are landing on the surface of an E. coli bacterium.
© James A. Sullivan
The bacteriophage cuts a hole in the E. coli's cell wall. It then injects its genetic material into the bacterium. By taking over the E. coli's genetic machinery, the viral genes tell the bacterium to begin making new virus parts. These parts come together to make whole new viruses inside the bacterium.
Eventually so many new viruses are made that the E. coli bursts open and dies, releasing all those new viruses to infect more cells!
Oh, was that a little light going on over JC's head??? Is it possible that he knows so little about his favorite subject to rant about that he does not know the difference between a VIRUS and a BACTERIA??? Oh, how embarrassing for JC!!! Maybe he should leave the subject of evolution to biologists who actually know what they are talking about, but I doubt he will, it makes too much sense.
Grumpy 8)
The real shame, folks, is that he actually believes this. Did you even bother to read my last post from UCBerkley??? Of course not, if you had you would have no excuse for making such an ignorant and uninformed statement.Just because bacteria attack living organisms doesn't necessarily imply that they are living organisms like a living cell which can replicate itself.
And now I have to teach him about the birds and the bees of bacteria. Mitosis, it's a big word but you can handle it. When a bacteria grows up it starts having these feelings about itself, like the feeling that it would like to have children and pass it's genetic materials down through the generations. These feelings are natural and nothing to be ashamed of and soon the bacteria splits down the middle(the embarassing part) and you have two bacteria where once you had one. Notice that this process involves only one bacteria so the concept of interfertility applied to bacteria only shows a profound... lack of knowledge about the subject. Consider yourself enlightened.btw, Grumpy, how does bacteria come into existence? Does it breed and reproduce new bacteria? Is one form of bacteria interfertile with other forms. Maybe you could enlighten us in this regard, and reinstate biology as a reputable science.
Just so you can see how confused and in error you really are I will post this:
Case #6: Virus Or Bacterium?
Our Challenge: Determine the ways that viruses and bacteria are different.
Because bacteria and viruses cause many of the diseases we're familiar with, people often confuse these two microbes. But viruses are as different from bacteria as goldfish are from giraffes.
For one thing, they differ greatly in size. The biggest viruses are only as large as the tiniest bacteria.
Another difference is their structure. Bacteria are complex compared to viruses.
© Eric MacDicken
A typical bacterium has a rigid cell wall and a thin, rubbery cell membrane surrounding the fluid, or cytoplasm (sigh-toe-plasm), inside the cell. A bacterium contains all of the genetic information needed to make copies of itself—its DNA—in a structure called a chromosome (crow-moe-soam). In addition, it may have extra loose bits of DNA called plasmids floating in the cytoplasm. Bacteria also have ribosomes (rye-bo-soams), tools necessary for copying DNA so bacteria can reproduce. Some have threadlike structures called flagella that they use to move.
© Eric MacDicken
A virus may or may not have an outermost spiky layer called the envelope. All viruses have a protein coat and a core of genetic material, either DNA or RNA. And that's it. Period.
Which brings us to the main difference between viruses and bacteria—the way they reproduce.
Viral vs. Bacterial Reproduction
Bacteria contain the genetic blueprint (DNA) and all the tools (ribosomes, proteins, etc.) they need to reproduce themselves.
Viruses are moochers. They contain only a limited genetic blueprint and they don't have the necessary building tools. They have to invade other cells and hijack their cellular machinery to reproduce. Viruses invade by attaching to a cell and injecting their genes or by being swallowed up by the cell.
Here's an example of viral infection. This is virus version of the horror movie Alien.
© James A. Sullivan
These are T4 bacteriophages (back-tear-e-oh-faj-es). They are a kind of virus that infects bacteria. Here they are landing on the surface of an E. coli bacterium.
© James A. Sullivan
The bacteriophage cuts a hole in the E. coli's cell wall. It then injects its genetic material into the bacterium. By taking over the E. coli's genetic machinery, the viral genes tell the bacterium to begin making new virus parts. These parts come together to make whole new viruses inside the bacterium.
Eventually so many new viruses are made that the E. coli bursts open and dies, releasing all those new viruses to infect more cells!
Oh, was that a little light going on over JC's head??? Is it possible that he knows so little about his favorite subject to rant about that he does not know the difference between a VIRUS and a BACTERIA??? Oh, how embarrassing for JC!!! Maybe he should leave the subject of evolution to biologists who actually know what they are talking about, but I doubt he will, it makes too much sense.
Grumpy 8)
Post #109
JC
Bacteria are living eating reproducing cells all by themselves, I cannot make it any simpler for you.
Grumpy 8)
Bacteria are living eating reproducing cells all by themselves, I cannot make it any simpler for you.
They are called single celled organisms(Life).Bacteria contain the genetic blueprint (DNA) and all the tools (ribosomes, proteins, etc.) they need to reproduce themselves.
Grumpy 8)
Post #110
Your question is already answered. Bacteria are already cells. Honest. They have a cell wall, nucleus, mitocondria, some even have eye spots which can detect light (Yes, single celled ones).I appreciate your bacterial expertise, Grumpy, but how do bacteria evolve into cells, the smallest unit of a living organism?
You've pointed at a cake that's been mixed, baked, decorated, and served and asked how much longer it needs to bake before its a cake. The question betrays a lack of knowledge of the process.
If you ask the question again, as you meant to have asked it, I would be more than happy to prepare a response for you.
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