The Holy Spirit

FinalEnigma · Post by **FinalEnigma** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:35 am

My question here is 'what is the Holy Spirit?'

I've seen plenty of answers without having a satisfactory one. Jgh7 gave some good answers, but the thread didn't end up going anywhere.
please do not give circular or non-productive answers, but rather give a description of the Holy Spirit and what it does, and please be willing to answer lots of questions about it.

If you like Jgh7's answers in the other thread feel free to expand upon them or answer my latest questions I posed there. the thread is here. http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... php?t=9083

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:31 pm

scottlittlefield17 wrote:The Holy Spirit is the comforter. He is our consiense. Jesus sent him to help us give us guidance and to comfort us. I welcome any questions.

How do you know?
Is the Holy Spirit God?
What is the Holy Spirit? (You answered what the HS does not what the HS is.)

scottlittlefield17 · Post by **scottlittlefield17** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:53 pm

I know it because that is what the Bible says. If you don't believe the Bible that changes the whole conversation but assuming you do or at least you do for this debate. Yes the Holy Spirit is God. It is like the sun. The sun has light heat and energy. Each plays a different role does different things in one sense are separate entities but they are still part of the sun. So God Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one but different. The Holy Spirit is God just as much as God the father or Jesus is. Just like you say that you can feel he sun. You can't feel its light or energy you feel its heat.

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:29 pm

scottlittlefield17 wrote:I know it because that is what the Bible says. If you don't believe the Bible that changes the whole conversation but assuming you do or at least you do for this debate.

OK, then we have two debates. Firstly, does the Bible teach this. Secondly, why would anyone accept what the writers of Bible say about things.

scottlittlefield17 wrote:Yes the Holy Spirit is God. It is like the sun. The sun has light heat and energy. Each plays a different role does different things in one sense are separate entities but they are still part of the sun. So God Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one but different. The Holy Spirit is God just as much as God the father or Jesus is. Just like you say that you can feel he sun. You can't feel its light or energy you feel its heat.

Does the Bible teach this? I must have missed the reference.

scottlittlefield17 · Post by **scottlittlefield17** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:42 pm

No the Bible does not teach that specifically but is a way we can get our finite minds around the concept of the trinity. Why wouldn't we believe what the Bible says?

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:58 pm

scottlittlefield17 wrote:No the Bible does not teach that specifically but is a way we can get our finite minds around the concept of the trinity. Why wouldn't we believe what the Bible says?

But the writers of the Bible do not teach trinity either.

scottlittlefield17 · Post by **scottlittlefield17** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:04 pm

Where in the world do you come up with that. Jesus said "I and the Father are one". When he talks about baptism he says "in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit" he put all of them on the same plane.

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:36 pm

scottlittlefield17 wrote:Where in the world do you come up with that. Jesus said "I and the Father are one". When he talks about baptism he says "in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit" he put all of them on the same plane.

He also said, "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me."

If by saying that he and the father are one is claiming divinity for himself, then he is also claiming the same divinity for his apostles.

When I was married by the minister said that he performed the wedding by the authority of the Province of Ontario and the authority of God. Did he mean that they are on the same plane?

scottlittlefield17 · Post by **scottlittlefield17** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:44 pm

Jesus explained that by saying that he is the vine and we are the branches. Yes we are in him because we are branches but the branches are nothing without the vine. God said what he has joined together let no man put asunder. God is the ultimate knot tier.

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:35 pm

scottlittlefield17 claims that the Bible teaches that Jesus is God.

McCulloch asks, "Does the Bible teach this?"

scottlittlefield17 claims that the Bible teaches the doctrine of trinity.

McCulloch claims that the writers of the Bible do not teach trinity.

scottlittlefield17 attempts to refute McCulloch with: Jesus said "I and the Father are one".

McCulloch shows that this wording does not necessarily mean that Jesus is God.

scottlittlefield17 answers back without actually addressing the fact that his proof text has been refuted.

scottlittlefield17 · Post by **scottlittlefield17** » Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:53 pm

I addressed that very specifically. Right after Jesus said i and the father are one the Jews picked up stones to stone him. Jesus asked why they were trying to stone him and the Jews said "For blasphemy, because you a mere man, claim to be God" The Jews understood that he was claiming to be God by saying him and the father are one. Also the Jews understood that by claiming to be the Son Of God he was claiming to be God because when they were accusing him before his death they asked if he claimed to be the Son Of God. When he said that he did they said he was blaspheming. Please dont accuse me of something I did not do.