Why are some Christian's so blind to their hypocrisy?

[achilles12604]

I ran across this article today, and despite it being from a media source, I believe it.

Fellow people who claim to follow the teachings of Jesus, I ask you . . . why are so many who call themselves Christians so hateful towards gays? Why are those who claim to show the love of Jesus to the world, so prejudice and spiteful towards this particular group?

And finally, why do they behave in such a hypocritical manner when according to the Gospels Jesus NEVER EVEN ADDRESSES homosexuality as a problem?

Why do those like Sarah Palin hate gays so much, and yet claim to speak on behalf of one who's recorded words utter so much love and forgiveness? Why do Christian's support someone like her?

[achilles12604]

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... php?t=8886

Ok. New thread created. Let us discuss evidence that the homosexual is either homosexual by choice or design.

[otseng]

I would like a "tuck tail and run" smiley. [

I can install it if anyone can find such a smiley.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... php?t=8886

Ok. New thread created. Let us discuss evidence that the homosexual is either homosexual by choice or design

I'll join you in discussions there.

[micatala]

Am I really the only one who finds fellow Christian's praying for gay's to convert to hetrosexuality an offensive thing to do?

Well, if a gay person asked for this type of prayer, no, it would not be offensive. And if they did not ask for it, then it would be more pointless than offensive. My guess though is that the conference mentioned in the article would be directed towards the former.

I sort of agree that such prayers are more pointless than offensive. However, the problem I see is that the attitude which leads people to pray for 'curing homosexuals' can and often does lead to other actions which are not only offensive, but discriminatory. The publicizing of the prayer also sends the message that gays need to be or should be cured if possible. If the prayer occurred in private with no public knowledge, then this would at least minimize these problems, except for the reinforcement of what are (IMHO) poor attitudes.

I find it interesting how the media are stretching things to try to find some ways to attack Palin. And this article would be a good example. Another was something I heard on NPR about how her Pentecostal background would shape her worldview. Such issues to me are meaningless about her qualifications.

The media tends to go 'overboard' when anything new comes along. Palin erupted onto the national stage almost completely unknown outside of Alaska. Also, I don't think it is fair to equate legitimate questions with attacks. Finally, although I think it is fair to say some are stretching to make links between Palin and positions or attitudes they find problematic, this is also quite understandable. She is an unknown and the voters are going to have to decide in rather short order if they want her serving as their vice president.

Republicans have claimed Obama has been deliberately obfuscating on some of his positions in order to evade having to answer for particular positions. Some would say he is still getting away with this, even after almost 2 years of public vetting. They should not be surprised if Palin has similar charges levelled at her if she does not clarify what her positions really are relative to some of these issues. In the absence of such clarification, people are going to tend to read into the information they do have access to.

[joer]

We believe in God, we believe in Christ, but we are limited by our own prejudices.

[justifyothers]

Amazing bit of wisdom there, Joe!!!

Here's a cute little story that relates:

"A young couple moves into a new neighbourhood. The next morning, while they are eating breakfast, the young woman sees her neighbour hang the wash outside.

'That laundry is not very clean,' she said, 'she doesn't know how to wash correctly. Perhaps she needs better laundry soap.'

Her husband looked on, but remained silent.

Every time her neighbour would hang her wash to dry, the young woman would make the same comments.

About one month later, the woman was surprised to see a nice clean wash on the line and said to her husband, 'Look ! She has learned how to wash correctly. I wonder who taught her this.'

The husband says, 'I got up early this morning and cleaned our windows.'

And so it is with life: What we see when watching others depends on the purity of the window through which we look. Before we give any criticism, it might be a good idea to check our state of mind and ask ourselves if we are ready to see the good rather than to be looking
for something in the person we are about to judge."

[joer]

Amazing bit of wisdom there, Joe!!!

Here's a cute little story that relates:

"A young couple moves into a new neighbourhood. The next morning, while they are eating breakfast, the young woman sees her neighbour hang the wash outside.

'That laundry is not very clean,' she said, 'she doesn't know how to wash correctly. Perhaps she needs better laundry soap.'

Her husband looked on, but remained silent.

Every time her neighbour would hang her wash to dry, the young woman would make the same comments.

About one month later, the woman was surprised to see a nice clean wash on the line and said to her husband, 'Look ! She has learned how to wash correctly. I wonder who taught her this.'

The husband says, 'I got up early this morning and cleaned our windows.'

And so it is with life: What we see when watching others depends on the purity of the window through which we look. Before we give any criticism, it might be a good idea to check our state of mind and ask ourselves if we are ready to see the good rather than to be looking
for something in the person we are about to judge."

Good to see you justifyothers! I've missed you guys. Now that's what I call some wisdom. That's an excellent one Justify.

"All I could see was darkness...then I opened my eyes!"

[jgh7]

Ok so let's examine this by comparing it to blacks.

People are genetically black. They are also genetically gay.

The article states that this church (and mind you in the OP I stated that I was addressing christian churches in general, not just her) is going to "pray" for people so they can be "converted" into hetrosexuals.

What do you think the reaction would be if church members were actively praying for blacks so they could become more white?

Am I really the only one who finds fellow Christian's praying for gay's to convert to hetrosexuality an offensive thing to do?

It seems like Paul believed that homosexuality was a sin. I understand that many people argue that maybe Paul was referring to the homosexuality exhibited by Romans in their orgies and sex with boys, but I definitely think it's possible that Paul could have been referring to all forms of homosexuality.

In your argument you state that gays are genetically gay. I actually believe this too for the majority of gays. But how does this make it any less of a sin if the bible says it's a sin? Sin can be something you genetically inherit; it's not always a personal choice. If people interpret the bible as saying that being gay is a sin, than it's possible that they could pray for gays to be "healed" and to be heterosexuals, and they could do this out of a love for them.

You can't compare this to people praying for blacks to become whites because the NT never advocates that the color of one's skin makes them unequal. But I'll retract this statement if you can find a passage that proves me wrong