Qadianis are not Muslim

[Ilias Ahmad]

I have noticed that many people claiming to represent Islam on this board are in fact Qadianis. This is a very dangerous and unfortunate thing. They are easily identified by their slogan: "Love for all, hatred for none" which they put in their avatars, signatures, etc.

Qadianism is a new religion that was started by an Indian Muslim in 19th century British India, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian. He is basically the "Joseph Smith of Islam". He claimed to have some revelations that God has made him the Imam Mahdi, the awaited Imam of the Muslims who according to Islam will appear in the latter days to rejuvenate and strengthen Islam. He later claimed that Jesus Christ is dead and buried and the prophecies of the reappearance of Jesus point to him. But his greatest deviation was to claim to be a full fledged Prophet and Messenger of Allah, despite the fact the Holy Quran teaches that Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) is the Last and Final Prophet and no new prophet can come after him. Not only that, our Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) said that thirty individuals will arise from the Muslim ummah (community) each and everyone claiming to be a Prophet, but all of them would be liars and deceivers, because he (Muhammad) is the last and final prophet and La Nabiyya Ba'dee "There is no prophet after me". Mirza Qadiani was doubtless one of these false prophets forewarned by our beloved Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam).

Mirza claimed that Islam teaches that Jesus has already died a natural death. He made this interpretation so he could justify claiming Messiahood for himself. However, the saying of our Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) is clear: "By Him in whose Hand my soul is (meaning by Allah), the Son of Mary (meaning none other than Jesus himself) will shortly descend among you as a just ruler and will break the cross and kill the swine."

This one saying of our Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wa salam) is sufficient to refute the Qadiani claims decisively and conclusively. First of all, our Prophet said the "Son of Mary" will descend. Mirza is not the son of Mary, he is the son of Chiragh Bibi (his biological mother's name). Ibn Mariam (son of Mary) always refers to Jesus himself throughout the Quran and Sunnah, without any exception. Usually, people are referred to as son of their father's name, but because Jesus didn't have a father, he was from a virgin birth, therefore in Islam he is referred to as son of Mary.

Secondly, our Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) said Jesus will come as a Hakam, which means a ruler, somebody who enforces a law, in a position of governmental authority, controlling a state, etc. Therefore, this prophecy eliminates Mirza Qadiani as a possible candidate for fulfilment because throughout his life Mirza was a subject of the British government of India, which ruled by English Common law, not the Shariah of Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wa salam).

And finally, our Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wa salam) said Jesus would literally break all the crosses and slaughter the entire breed of swine, thus effectively putting an end to the false pretenses of Christianity with such a miraculous act. The only thing Mirza managed in the cause of refuting Christianity was become humiliated in a few obscure public debates and bring a bad name to our religion.

Judge for yourself, are Qadianis the true Muslims or outside the pale of Islam? According to the constitution of Pakistan and the High Courts of many countries, including South Africa, they are NOT Muslim.

[Truth_Teller]

Also, look how ugly Mirza Qadiani was, can you honesty say this is the face of a Prophet?



Look at his eyes. He was possessed.

You are an amazing guy! What do looks have to do with Mirza Ghulam Ahmed´s claim? If really, then why didn´t Hollywood Stars or Models claim Prophethood or Messengership? They look cool and handsome.



As per Ilias Ahmad´s logic, I hereby declare that, since Tom Cruise is more beautiful and good looking than Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, he is The Imam Mahdi of Muslims who is awaited since ages.

Happy ?

A seal has been put on Prophethood, otherwise he would have been a Prophet .

[McCulloch]

Also, look how ugly Mirza Qadiani was, can you honesty say this is the face of a Prophet?



Look at his eyes. He was possessed.

OK, fine! Post a picture of the Prophet Mohammad for comparison.

Does God discriminate against the ugly?

[JoeyKnothead]

This thread points exactly to the problem with religion, and religious texts. They always end up dividing people, and never bringing them together. They always create these situations where interpretations vary into polar opposites.

They always end up creating people who will hate people who believe in the same basic faith, but differ on interpretation. It is appalling how people will use their 'loving, caring, compassionate' faith to prove why their hatred for their fellow man is okay.

My religion is one of peace, and if you don't convert to it I will kill you. My religion is the 'one true way', and if you don't convert to it you will burn in the fires of hell. My >insert deity< loves you, but he will smite you and smote you, and otherwise make your life a living hell if you don't at least give us money.

When will people wake up and realize that a religion of hate, a philosophy of hate, a general hating kind of individual is what will destroy us all?

[Ilias Ahmad]

All praise belongs to Allah alone, Lord of the worlds:

You are an amazing guy! What do looks have to do with Mirza Ghulam Ahmed´s claim?

Prophets are beautiful people, on both the inside as well as their physical appearance. The most beautiful person who ever lived was Yusuf (Alaihi salam). Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) also had a beautiful appearance:

Al-Baraa b. Aazib (radhi Allahu anhu) said: "The Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) was a person of average height. His shoulders were wide. His hair reached his earlobes. Once I saw him adorned in a red garment; I never saw anything more beautiful than him." (Sahih Bukhari, no. 2358)

Also, one of the proofs of a true Prophet is that he has a special mark on his body in between his shoulders. If Mirza Qadiani was a true prophet, he would have possessed this special mark, why didn't he get a picture of that taken instead of his ugly face?

[Fallibleone]

Huh...here I was thinking that the special mark was a scar shaped like a lightning bolt on the forehead.

[Ilias Ahmad]

As a former Qadiani myself, I can tell you that virtually every Qadiani keeps a black and white photograph of Mirza Qadiani in their house. If they are devoted Qadianis, they usually have a huge picture they keep above the fireplace or someplace noticeable.

This shows how much Qadianis have deviated from the teaching of Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam). The Qadianis love their Mirza so much, that they even disregard the teachings of Hazrat Shah-e-Madinah (the Prince of Madinah):

"Angels do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature."

In fact, according to the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam), the picture makers will be among the most severely punished on the Day of Judgment.

[Goat]

All praise belongs to Allah alone, Lord of the worlds:

You are an amazing guy! What do looks have to do with Mirza Ghulam Ahmed´s claim?

Prophets are beautiful people, on both the inside as well as their physical appearance. The most beautiful person who ever lived was Yusuf (Alaihi salam). Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) also had a beautiful appearance:

Al-Baraa b. Aazib (radhi Allahu anhu) said: "The Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) was a person of average height. His shoulders were wide. His hair reached his earlobes. Once I saw him adorned in a red garment; I never saw anything more beautiful than him." (Sahih Bukhari, no. 2358)

Also, one of the proofs of a true Prophet is that he has a special mark on his body in between his shoulders. If Mirza Qadiani was a true prophet, he would have possessed this special mark, why didn't he get a picture of that taken instead of his ugly face?

Other than a book making a claim, what evidence do you have that this is so? Is it an unsupported assertion?

[JoeyKnothead]

Prophets are beautiful people, on both the inside as well as their physical appearance. The most beautiful person who ever lived was Yusuf (Alaihi salam). Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam) also had a beautiful appearance:

Reckon I've heard it all now, "my god's prettier than your god"

Is this what it's come to?

May I introduce you to my god - Latetia Casta!

[Ilias Ahmad]

Other than a book making a claim, what evidence do you have that this is so? Is it an unsupported assertion?

It's not merely a book, its an eye witness account of a man named al-baraa b. aazib, a companion of the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa salam).

[Fallibleone]

As a former Qadiani myself, I can tell you that virtually every Qadiani keeps a black and white photograph of Mirza Qadiani in their house. If they are devoted Qadianis, they usually have a huge picture they keep above the fireplace or someplace noticeable.

This shows how much Qadianis have deviated from the teaching of Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam). The Qadianis love their Mirza so much, that they even disregard the teachings of Hazrat Shah-e-Madinah (the Prince of Madinah):

"Angels do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature."

In fact, according to the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wa salam), the picture makers will be among the most severely punished on the Day of Judgment.

You say this like it's a bad thing.