A question to Jews about Jesus Christ:

[Truth_Teller]

The following question has been in my mind since quite a few days and thus have decided to ask posters of Judaism belief (on board):

If Jesus (peace be upon him) was a false prophet/messiah (God forbid) and was punished by the court by being killed at the cross, do you have any grave or anything as a proof to show that he really died at the cross (God forbid)???

Will be very thank if any Jew can clarify things here by replying.

Waiting for your answers folks......

[Goat]

If you can't prove someone existed, how can you prove they got executed?

Prove to me that Thomas Edison ever existed and he isn´t a fictious character???

What is the big deal is the supernatural claim of the resurrection, or 'ascending directly to heaven'. Don't see evidence of either.

Again, ascension is not the point of the thread since I for once didn´t claim that he ascended into Heavens.

Well for one, we got his bones, photographs, and original writings.

That's more than we have for Jesus.

[Truth_Teller]

Well for one, we got his bones, photographs, and original writings.

That's more than we have for Jesus.

What´s the proof that those bones, photogpraphs, and orgininal writings are of that same Thomas Edison who might just be a fictitious character??? It could also be the fact that the one who created this very fictitious character of Thomas Edison might just have attributed those bones, photographs, and original writings of someone else to his fictitious character "Thomas Edison"...

Can Thomas Edison show up to make me believe in his existence??? No - hence he never existed. Case done and dusted!!!

[Goat]

Well for one, we got his bones, photographs, and original writings.

That's more than we have for Jesus.

What´s the proof that those bones, photogpraphs, and orgininal writings are of that same Thomas Edison who might just be a fictitious character??? It could also be the fact that the one who created this very fictitious character of Thomas Edison might just have attributed those bones, photographs, and original writings of someone else to his fictitious character "Thomas Edison"...

Can Thomas Edison show up to make me believe in his existence??? No - hence he never existed. Case done and dusted!!!

If you think THAT makes any sense, then I am sorry, but I guess I will have to have a strong lack of respect for your reasoning abilities.

[carolineislands]

I don't have any evidence that Jesus even EXISTED , much less that he was killed on a cross, or did not be killed on the cross.

Perhaps the question posed in the OP was meant to lead us into another discussion? Or maybe stir up some conflict between Christians and Jews?

Not really.

Oh good. Then your question was clearly answered by goat.

[carolineislands]

If you can't prove someone existed, how can you prove they got executed?

Prove to me that Thomas Edison ever existed and he isn´t a fictious character???

What is the big deal is the supernatural claim of the resurrection, or 'ascending directly to heaven'. Don't see evidence of either.

Again, ascension is not the point of the thread since I for once didn´t claim that he ascended into Heavens.

Obviously getting an answer to your question was not the purpose of this thread.

[carolineislands]

I find the dishonesty of this OP insulting. First of all, 'tr*th-teller' we are all quite aware of the fact that you are here to do dawa and to somehow 'prove' Islam is "the one true religion." Correct me if I am wrong.

So, when you post a question with such a thinly veiled, not-so-hidden agenda, it is really obvious right out of the starting gate. Then to fein innocence when it is suggested that your OP might have been bait to pull people into a different discussion... well, that's disingenuous to say the least.

If you want to challenge people on what is acceptable criteria for establishing whether or not a historical figure did truly exist, then why not just come right out with it? Why not just say that you think Jews (and/or Christians) believe that Jesus existed even though they don't have the proof and that you plan to lead into the discussion of how Islam can be believed without solid proof as well?

At least then I could respect your candor. Then again, if that's not your style you could just change your nick instead.

[Truth_Teller]

Oh good. Then your question was clearly answered by goat.

Not quite as I have asked for the proof/evidence of his grave and he comes up with a new logic like "Do you have proof he existed?". So my question is still not asnswered.

Obviously getting an answer to your question was not the purpose of this thread.

No, my main purpose was to get an answer but since Mr. Goat pulled it down to "Did he exist" etc things then I had to be like him to reply him. Otherwise, my purpose is still to get an answer (if anyone can I will be more than happy).

I find the dishonesty of this OP insulting. First of all, 'tr*th-teller' we are all quite aware of the fact that you are here to do dawa and to somehow 'prove' Islam is "the one true religion." Correct me if I am wrong.

So, when you post a question with such a thinly veiled, not-so-hidden agenda, it is really obvious right out of the starting gate. Then to fein innocence when it is suggested that your OP might have been bait to pull people into a different discussion... well, that's disingenuous to say the least.

If you want to challenge people on what is acceptable criteria for establishing whether or not a historical figure did truly exist, then why not just come right out with it? Why not just say that you think Jews (and/or Christians) believe that Jesus existed even though they don't have the proof and that you plan to lead into the discussion of how Islam can be believed without solid proof as well?

At least then I could respect your candor. Then again, if that's not your style you could just change your nick instead.

Mate, what problem do you have with my nick??? I just asked a simple question which still hasn´t been answered.

I may re-type my question: Do they have any proof like a grave of Jesus etc to prove his death???

If you answer that and not make personal attacks I will be more than happy.

Cheers and don´t boil your blood on such a small matter!

[C-Nub]

It's still a stupid question. You know the answer, and are wasting time by pursuing it. No, there is no site that anyone is claiming or proving to be the grave of Christ, and even if there was, you'd be able to use the exact same "logic" (and I use the term incredibly loosely) for Christ's grave as you did for Thomas Edison's, which was very circular reasoning to say the least.

Can you provide any of the evidence you have requested that supports your faith?

[cnorman18]

Here's your answer from a Jew:

No, we have no evidence that Jesus did not rise from the dead.

We also have no evidence that Aladdin never owned a magic lamp, that Bellerophon never owned a winged horse, nor that Frodo Baggins never owned, then destroyed, a Ring of Power. And for us, all these questions are of roughly equal importance.

Many people labor under the misconception that "the question of Jesus" is of great importance to Jews. It isn't. We don't think or talk about him much. He doesn't matter to us, any more than Aladdin, et. al.

The most commonly held opinions about Jesus among Jews are (1) that he was a real, historical person; and (2) that he was not the Jewish Messiah. And that's about as far as it goes.

The first is not provable; the second is, and I have written extensively about it elsewhere.

Now a few questions for you;

Your religion, Islam, teaches that Muslims may not take Jews as friends or allies, that Jews are liars and tricksters and not to be trusted, and that Jews (and Christians) are to be constantly reminded that they are inferior to Muslims when they are allowed to live under Muslim rule at all. Many Muslim clergy teach that it is perfectly all right, and in fact a sacred duty of all Muslims, to murder Jews outright--armed or unarmed, adult or child--whenever possible, and in fact that killing oneself in order to murder large numbers of unarmed and innocent Jews, including pregnant women and infants, is a good and holy act that guarantees immediate entrance into Paradise.

Very few Muslims indeed speak out openly against such teachings.

Do you agree with these ideas? If so, why? If not, have you ever publicly said so among your fellow Muslims?

[Truth_Teller]

Your religion, Islam, teaches that Muslims may not take Jews as friends or allies, that Jews are liars and tricksters and not to be trusted, and that Jews (and Christians) are to be constantly reminded that they are inferior to Muslims when they are allowed to live under Muslim rule at all. Many Muslim clergy teach that it is perfectly all right, and in fact a sacred duty of all Muslims, to murder Jews outright--armed or unarmed, adult or child--whenever possible, and in fact that killing oneself in order to murder large numbers of unarmed and innocent Jews, including pregnant women and infants, is a good and holy act that guarantees immediate entrance into Paradise.

Very few Muslims indeed speak out openly against such teachings.

Do you agree with these ideas? If so, why? If not, have you ever publicly said so among your fellow Muslims?

Islam doesn´t teach all this. It´s myth by non-Muslims which has been made to look more than truthful by these blind Mullahs. They are extremists but that doesn´t mean that Islam starts and ends at their door-step. They are wrong and I´m against them. That´s all!!!