The Existence of jinns

CONVERTED TO ISLAM · Post by **CONVERTED TO ISLAM** » Tue May 13, 2008 4:34 am

I would like to talk seriously about the jinn exists not only for atheists but for jewish and christians too
I will talk about

1 - Existence
2- Abilities
3- Occult Activities of the Jinn
4- Protection from the Jinn

and any thing in this subject will be from sheikh IBRAHIM who helped me to tell you any thing about the jinn

Throughout history man has always had a deep attraction for the supernatural and the unseen. The existence of a world parallel to our own has always fascinated people. This world is commonly referred to as the spirit world, and almost every set of people have some concept of one. With some people, these spirits are no more then the souls of dead people- or ghosts. With others, spirits are either the forces of good or the forces of evil - both battling against one another to gain influence over humanity. However, both of these explanations are more in tune with folk tales and fantasy. The true explanation of such a world comes from Islam. Like every other way, Islam also claims to explain this realm of the unseen. It is from this realm that Islam explains to us about the world of the Jinn. The Islamic explanation of the Jinn provides us with so many answers to modem day mysteries. Without the knowledge of this world, the Muslims would become like the non-Muslims and be running around looking for any old answer to come their way. So, who or what are the Jinn?

sheikh ibrahim site ww.thereligionofislam.com you can ask him any thing
(live chat)

CONVERTED TO ISLAM · Post by **CONVERTED TO ISLAM** » Wed May 14, 2008 12:02 am

Fallibleone

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OnceConvinced

Are you serious? Does the term 'optical illusion' mean anything to you? No? How about 'sleight of hand'? 'Prestidigitation'? 'Smoke and mirrors'? 'Illusion'? 'Misdirection?' Is David Copperfield a harnesser of Djinn, in your opinion?

These things have been proven time and time again to be tricks. Have you ever seen any of those shows on TV, that expose these tricks? They are very clever, but definitely not magic.

Incorrect .. I want you to think about it .. i mean it,s not a trick when somebody walk on water front a people .. it is not really trick no body can do that but who work with jinns
jinns carried him

Uh...you mean night time? Bats, owls, foxes, rabbits, snails, slugs, rats, mice, cats, dogs, stoats, snakes, lizards, cars, trains, planes, the wind in the trees, the wind in the grass, rain, floorboards expanding or contracting, central heating, air conditioning, snoring, people having sex, people arguing, babies crying...and so on. Why? What do you think it is?

Natural sounds as Fallibleone has pointed out. Do you know that wood expands and shrinks when temperatures and humidity change, causing noises?
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _n25016290

Ha Ha Ha .. I do not mean that sounds Oh come on I am not crazy
I mean sometimes we hear somebody washing in the ketchen openning doors
here is my story >> in my house when anybody want to get into the ketchen the ground make noise ( bom bom ) and I swear sometimes I hear that (bom bom)

I put it to you that the person is not being hurt by Djinn, and that reading the Qur'an does not help them.

If anyone is hurt by a jinn (which I very much doubt - I have never come across anyone who has), then it could be more the power of positive thinking that causes the healing. i.e believing without a doubt that the curaan... or Allah can heal you.

Have you ever experienced anything like this first hand? Or are you going by stories you have heard? Heresay?

Oh yes I have so many stories about that
my neighbor,s wife (she converted and now she is muslim) she drunk a cub of joice but that cub was from a magician woman
after she drink that water she was see her self in the mirror with no head and sometimes she see her husband about to jumb from the window but he was sleeping ,, and I swear I swear I swear sometimes she see a very huge woman with blond hair asking her to come with her to the second floor

that woman ( the muslim ) can not find any thing with doctors so I talked with her about islam and how Allah can help her by reading curaan and Alhamdulillah she accepted islam
I took her to shikh ( Ali yassin ) he read curaan more than month and now she is alright

This is stuff you learn in school as a kid. I'm sure Fallibleone's link will educate you there.

Thunder is the noise. Lightning is the visible phenomenon. It can be seen during the day as well as at night, and sometimes during the eruption of a volcano. Lightning is an electrical discharge. It is a natural phenomenon. Here is a link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning

well I know that is a nature phenomenon but why Allah want to make that nature phenomenon I mean what is the benifit of that
I will tell you
when the rain start falling down jinns spread in the speace to drink that water then the angel of thunder use that thunders to beat them
I think you will never believe that but I want you to believe my story first

OnceConvinced · Post by **OnceConvinced** » Wed May 14, 2008 2:43 am

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote: Incorrect .. I want you to think about it .. i mean it,s not a trick when somebody walk on water front a people .. it is not really trick no body can do that but who work with jinns
jinns carried him

It's not incorrect. Have you seen any of those TV specials? They also reveal that often the people who are there as spectators are also in on the deception. Have you witnessed first hand someone walking on water? It's amazing what people can do to create optical illusions these days. But you can gaurantee none of it's real. Please, don't be so gullible.

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote: Ha Ha Ha .. I do not mean that sounds Oh come on I am not crazy
I mean sometimes we hear somebody washing in the ketchen openning doors
here is my story >> in my house when anybody want to get into the ketchen the ground make noise ( bom bom ) and I swear sometimes I hear that (bom bom)

Pleeeease Converted. What makes you think that's a Djinn? Sounds like the boom booming is something under the floor that's causing a reverberation, eg pipes (they are known to do that). As for the other things, why would Djinns be pottering around your house washing in the kitchen and opening and closing cupboards?

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote: Oh yes I have so many stories about that
my neighbor,s wife (she converted and now she is muslim) she drunk a cub of joice but that cub was from a magician woman
after she drink that water she was see her self in the mirror with no head and sometimes she see her husband about to jumb from the window but he was sleeping ,, and I swear I swear I swear sometimes she see a very huge woman with blond hair asking her to come with her to the second floor

Yes, there are many "stories" people can tell, I could tell many too (in fact I'm a writer and can come up with some very cool stuff). However, I asked for examples of things you have experience first hand, not stories that you have heard. Stories are simply heresay. Actually I didn't even ask for examples. I just questioned whether you had first hand experience of Djinns. What you are talking about there is NOT first hand experience, it's things told to you by your neighbour. If this were a trial, your testomony would not be accepted.

You say "I swear, I swear..." and then proceed to tell us what SHE saw. How can you be so sure what she saw? You didn't see it! All you can do is swear what you heard her tell you.

Do you believe everything people tell you? Why should you believe this woman? Is it because you really want to believe it?

There are drugs that can be taken in by mouth that produce hallucinations. The fact this woman drank something given to her by a "magician woman" suggests strongly that the drink was laced with some kind of drug. The fact that the magician woman needed to give her a drink is pretty compelling evidence of this.

This is the sort of thing that happens in deepest darkest Africa where ignorant and primitive tribes allow witchdoctors to terrify them with simple tricks. Please don't be fooled by so called "magician women".

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote: that woman ( the muslim ) can not find any thing with doctors so I talked with her about islam and how Allah can help her by reading curaan and Alhamdulillah she accepted islam
I took her to shikh ( Ali yassin ) he read curaan more than month and now she is alright

So I take it the magician woman is no longer feeding your neighbour cocktails of drugs and hallucigenics? That's what's made the difference, I'd say, not Allah and the curaan.

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:
well I know that is a nature phenomenon but why Allah want to make that nature phenomenon I mean what is the benifit of that
I will tell you
when the rain start falling down jinns spread in the speace to drink that water then the angel of thunder use that thunders to beat them
I think you will never believe that but I want you to believe my story first

In New Zealand, the Maori people have a lot of stories about things like that. Like the great warrior Maui who caught the sun in his net to help slow it down because it was travelling across the sky too fast, - the days weren't long enough. He also fished up New Zealand from the sea. I'm sorry Converted, what you have just typed there, makes me think of crazy and outrageous stories that ancient and ignorant people have made up to explain how things are.

Unfortunately, I'm not likely to believe Djinns exist unless I experience them first hand. Or at least hear it from someone that I know I can trust who would not try to decieve me.

One thing I have learnt over the years is that religious people (any type) are so determined to believe the teachings of their holy books and leaders, that they will look for evidence to prove their beliefs correct. And so often they will exagerate (even unintentionally) and twist things to not only to convince others, but also themselves. I have been guilty of this myself too. That's why I can no longer take such claims seriously, especially from someone I don't know.

CONVERTED TO ISLAM · Post by **CONVERTED TO ISLAM** » Wed May 14, 2008 5:12 am

I saw a jinn my self

one night I was watching the TV and my door was open . While I watching I saw a girl with black long hair walking to the bathroom I told my self
( maybe that was my imagination ) but after a while my sister said O brock did you see that girl !
I said Oops that was a jinn because we saw her togather
I swear it is the truth ,, also when I was singing a song in the pathroom
( actually muhammad peace be upon him said jinns always live in pathroom rooms and trashs and cemeteries) so while I was singing I heard somebody says ( Brock stop singing in the path) I said OK then I asked my family who was there but they said nobody there >> it,s jinn

Fallibleone · Post by **Fallibleone** » Wed May 14, 2008 5:16 am

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:
Fallibleone
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OnceConvinced

Are you serious? Does the term 'optical illusion' mean anything to you? No? How about 'sleight of hand'? 'Prestidigitation'? 'Smoke and mirrors'? 'Illusion'? 'Misdirection?' Is David Copperfield a harnesser of Djinn, in your opinion?

Incorrect .. I want you to think about it .. i mean it,s not a trick when somebody walk on water front a people .. it is not really trick no body can do that but who work with jinns
jinns carried him
I have to be entirely honest here, Converted. You are the first adult person (I take it you are an adult) I have ever conversed with who thinks that magic tricks are the work of Djinn. Have you got a specific example in your mind? Have you seen someone on TV walking on water? If so, please show me and maybe I will have a chance to help you see things 'the right way'.

Uh...you mean night time? Bats, owls, foxes, rabbits, snails, slugs, rats, mice, cats, dogs, stoats, snakes, lizards, cars, trains, planes, the wind in the trees, the wind in the grass, rain, floorboards expanding or contracting, central heating, air conditioning, snoring, people having sex, people arguing, babies crying...and so on. Why? What do you think it is?

Ha Ha Ha .. I do not mean that sounds Oh come on I am not crazy
I mean sometimes we hear somebody washing in the ketchen openning doors
here is my story >> in my house when anybody want to get into the ketchen the ground make noise ( bom bom ) and I swear sometimes I hear that (bom bom)
If my house were inhabited by Djinn, I'd expect somethig a darn sight more impressive than the sound of someone washing and a 'bom bom' noise when you try to get into the kitchen. Don't these beings help humans to walk on water?

Without knowing more about your specific situation I can't tell you what makes the noises you hear - perhaps you could make an audio or video recording of them which we could examine.

I put it to you that the person is not being hurt by Djinn, and that reading the Qur'an does not help them.

Oh yes I have so many stories about that
my neighbor,s wife (she converted and now she is muslim) she drunk a cub of joice but that cub was from a magician woman
Why did she drink a cup of juice from a magician woman?

after she drink that water she was see her self in the mirror with no head and sometimes she see her husband about to jumb from the window but he was sleeping ,, and I swear I swear I swear sometimes she see a very huge woman with blond hair asking her to come with her to the second floor
1. Has she ruled out the possibility that there was an hallucinogen in the juice?

2. Is she trustworthy?

3. What was her state of wakefulness at the time she saw these things?

4. What would be the purpose behind the magician woman giving her a mind-altering substance?

5. What do you think caused the visions?

that woman ( the muslim ) can not find any thing with doctors
1. Do you know she really went to see one?

2. Did they assess her psychologically as well as physically?

so I talked with her about islam and how Allah can help her by reading curaan and Alhamdulillah she accepted islam
I took her to shikh ( Ali yassin ) he read curaan more than month and now she is alright
1. What was the passage of time between drinking the juice and taking her to the shikh?

2. Have you heard of the placebo effect?

Thunder is the noise. Lightning is the visible phenomenon. It can be seen during the day as well as at night, and sometimes during the eruption of a volcano. Lightning is an electrical discharge. It is a natural phenomenon. Here is a link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning

well I know that is a nature phenomenon but why Allah want to make that nature phenomenon I mean what is the benifit of that
I am not able to answer that question, because in order to do so, I must believe that God makes a natural phenomenon, which I don't, because I don't believe in God. Even if I did believe in God, and that he made lightning, I would question lightning as a natural phenomenon. Surely it would be a supernatural phenomenon.

I will tell you
when the rain start falling down jinns spread in the speace to drink that water then the angel of thunder use that thunders to beat them
Did you read my link? Here's my issue. It seems to me that your explanation requires such huge amounts of wishful thinking, suspension of disbelief and self deception in order to make it ring true that it can't possibly be.

Here is a link about a principle called Occam's Razor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor

It can be summed up by this sentence - "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best."

I think you will never believe that
You're quite right about that.

but I want you to believe my story first
Sorry. Not in this life.

CONVERTED TO ISLAM · Post by **CONVERTED TO ISLAM** » Wed May 14, 2008 6:55 am

I have to be entirely honest here, Converted. You are the first adult person (I take it you are an adult) I have ever conversed with who thinks that magic tricks are the work of Djinn. Have you got a specific example in your mind? Have you seen someone on TV walking on water? If so, please show me and maybe I will have a chance to help you see things 'the right way'.

Yes magicians can walk in water because jinns carried them ,, I think members saw that videos of magicians in another subject

Don't these beings help humans to walk on water?

just magicians who work with jinn ( giving jinns food or something like that )

Without knowing more about your specific situation I can't tell you what makes the noises you hear - perhaps you could make an audio or video recording of them which we could examine

I just hear that less than 2 times a month

Why did she drink a cup of juice from a magician woman?

she gave her that juice as a gift

1. Has she ruled out the possibility that there was an hallucinogen in the juice?

she knew that after I took her to the sheikh ( ali yassin) because he read curran till she puked that magic
well that sheikh asked her if she drank a water or juice and she said yes

2. Is she trustworthy?

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sure ,, she is the daughter of my uncle ,, and because of that she is muslim right now

she suffered more than one month in days and nights and yes she can sleep very will

4. What would be the purpose behind the magician woman giving her a mind-altering substance?

that girl ( the daughter of my uncle ) is a very beautiful girl I mean very very very beautiful girl I can not describe her beauty in a few words
so that evil magician woman wanted her to love her son actually ugly son
but she ( the girl ) never wanted that guy so that magician woman put that magic into the juice because she was very angry

5. What do you think caused the visions?

when she was looking at the mirror she saw a jinn
while her husband sleeping she saw him about to jump from the window
sometimes she see a very huge woman asking her to come with her to the second floor
well.. it is a jinn

1. Do you know she really went to see one?

I am the one who took her to hospitals

2. Did they assess her psychologically as well as physically?

I swear they gave her every thing may help her but nothing useful happened with her so I discussed the islamic religion with her and al hamdu lillah she accepted islam and now she is ok and she has 2 boys and 1 girl alhamdu lillah

1. What was the passage of time between drinking the juice and taking her to the shikh?

she suffered 1 month before she convert to islam but after she converted sheikh read curran for 1 month too each monday

2. Have you heard of the placebo effect?

It is not placebo it is real I saw that my self

Sorry. Not in this life.

I am not here for telling lies it is the truth that I faced

Fallibleone · Post by **Fallibleone** » Wed May 14, 2008 7:31 am

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:
I have to be entirely honest here, Converted. You are the first adult person (I take it you are an adult) I have ever conversed with who thinks that magic tricks are the work of Djinn. Have you got a specific example in your mind? Have you seen someone on TV walking on water? If so, please show me and maybe I will have a chance to help you see things 'the right way'.

Yes magicians can walk in water because jinns carried them ,, I think members saw that videos of magicians in another subject
OK. Would you mind posting it again please?

Don't these beings help humans to walk on water?

just magicians who work with jinn ( giving jinns food or something like that )
Dare I ask how you came to this conclusion?

Without knowing more about your specific situation I can't tell you what makes the noises you hear - perhaps you could make an audio or video recording of them which we could examine

I just hear that less than 2 times a month
Well would you be willing to take a chance and attempt to record it?

Why did she drink a cup of juice from a magician woman?

she gave her that juice as a gift
Why? What was the gift for?

1. Has she ruled out the possibility that there was an hallucinogen in the juice?

she knew that after I took her to the sheikh ( ali yassin) because he read curran till she puked that magic
well that sheikh asked her if she drank a water or juice and she said yes
I'm not understanding from this whether she ruled out the possibility that there was an hallucinogen in it or not. It seems to me as though the 'magic' may very well have been a drug of some kind.

2. Is she trustworthy?

sure ,, she is the daughter of my uncle ,, and because of that she is muslim right now
So she is a relative.

she suffered more than one month in days and nights and yes she can sleep very will
OK so there was a month between having the drink and going to see the sheikh. She saw things during the day and during the night. Again, was she awake, asleep or somewhere in between at the times when she experienced these things?

4. What would be the purpose behind the magician woman giving her a mind-altering substance?

that girl ( the daughter of my uncle ) is a very beautiful girl I mean very very very beautiful girl I can not describe her beauty in a few words
so that evil magician woman wanted her to love her son actually ugly son
but she ( the girl ) never wanted that guy so that magician woman put that magic into the juice because she was very angry
Who told you that? The daughter of your uncle? The magician woman? The sheikh?

5. What do you think caused the visions?

when she was looking at the mirror she saw a jinn
while her husband sleeping she saw him about to jump from the window
sometimes she see a very huge woman asking her to come with her to the second floor
well.. it is a jinn
But according to you, the juice was responsible. Why do you think it was a Djinn?

1. Do you know she really went to see one?

I am the one who took her to hospitals
OK.

2. Did they assess her psychologically as well as physically?

I swear they gave her every thing may help her but nothing useful happened with her so I discussed the islamic religion with her and al hamdu lillah she accepted islam and now she is ok and she has 2 boys and 1 girl alhamdu lillah
Well OK, but you didn't answer my question. Did they assess her psychologically as well as physically? Over what time period was she seeing doctors?

1. What was the passage of time between drinking the juice and taking her to the shikh?

she suffered 1 month before she convert to islam but after she converted sheikh read curran for 1 month too each monday
So even after she converted and had the Qur'an read to her, it was only after another month that she improved.

2. Have you heard of the placebo effect?

It is not placebo it is real I saw that my self
You saw that she got better. She also happened to have had the Qur'an read to her. How can you be sure that it was the reading which cured her, and not her own expectation of getting better? In other words, the placebo effect? After all she now believed, having recently converted, that the Qur'an would cure her. I'd be more impressed if a non-believer had been cured in this way.

Sorry. Not in this life.

I am not here for telling lies it is the truth that I faced
I believe you're telling what you think you saw, but I do not believe that what you think you saw is actually what happened.

CONVERTED TO ISLAM · Post by **CONVERTED TO ISLAM** » Wed May 14, 2008 11:20 am

Fallibleone

OK. Would you mind posting it again please?

I hope if any body help you for that but I have a surprise for you I have a jinn film I will rise it in the next post Allah willing

Well would you be willing to take a chance and attempt to record it?

I can not record 1 month but I will rise my jinn film Allah willing

Why? What was the gift for?

magician woman said HEY SARA THIS IS FOR YOU IT IS DELICIOUS then sara took that juice

I'm not understanding from this whether she ruled out the possibility that there was an hallucinogen in it or not. It seems to me as though the 'magic' may very well have been a drug of some kind.

would you tell me what kind of drug is that ? !
my dear Fallibleone there is no drug in the world can cause like that
( seeing her self with no head or seeing an old huge woman asking her to come with her to the second floor and seeing her husband about to jump while he sleeping near by her )
if it were drug doctors will help her not the curaan

So she is a relative.

yes she is

OK so there was a month between having the drink and going to see the sheikh. She saw things during the day and during the night. Again, was she awake, asleep or somewhere in between at the times when she experienced these things?

That sheikh was so busy so he said come to me each monday
when he read curaan she cry and weep and sometimes scream but when I ask her about that when he (sheikh) finished she say I do not remember any thing

Who told you that? The daughter of your uncle? The magician woman? The sheikh?

while the sheikh reading curran he asked her ( who made this magic )
she answered him : she made that
sheikh (who?)
that woman ( I forgot her name )

she never remembered any thing because the jinn is the one who talked

But according to you, the juice was responsible. Why do you think it was a Djinn?

because there was a magic in that juice ( a magic make that jinn live in her body and no body can get that jinn out so you must get that magic out to get that jinn out )

Well OK, but you didn't answer my question. Did they assess her psychologically as well as physically? Over what time period was she seeing doctors?

yes sure I took her to psychological doctors for 1 month but nothing useful happened to her

So even after she converted and had the Qur'an read to her, it was only after another month that she improved.

he read 4 times

You saw that she got better. She also happened to have had the Qur'an read to her. How can you be sure that it was the reading which cured her, and not her own expectation of getting better? In other words, the placebo effect? After all she now believed, having recently converted, that the Qur'an would cure her. I'd be more impressed if a non-believer had been cured in this way.

in the 4th time he read for one hour he read (surah al baqarah)
that sheikh was saying ( get out of her ,, get out of her ) after one hour she puked and never saw that again till these days It was before more than one year

you said it was her own expectation but that is incorrect because she was disbeliever and her own expectation was with doctors ( she trust in doctors) but no doctor can help her

and yes curran is just a reason , curran can not help any body but Allah who cure any body

CONVERTED TO ISLAM · Post by **CONVERTED TO ISLAM** » Wed May 14, 2008 11:48 am

I do not know but may this prove it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9hxQmzb ... re=related

OnceConvinced · Post by **OnceConvinced** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:36 pm

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:
2. Is she trustworthy?
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sure ,, she is the daughter of my uncle ,, and because of that she is muslim right now

Why do you assume that because she's a family member you can trust her?

that girl ( the daughter of my uncle ) is a very beautiful girl I mean very very very beautiful girl I can not describe her beauty in a few words
so that evil magician woman wanted her to love her son actually ugly son
but she ( the girl ) never wanted that guy so that magician woman put that magic into the juice because she was very angry

Can you not see that this concoction is what has caused the woman's hallucinations? By the way, there is nothing magic about such a drink.

5. What do you think caused the visions?

when she was looking at the mirror she saw a jinn
while her husband sleeping she saw him about to jump from the window
sometimes she see a very huge woman asking her to come with her to the second floor
well.. it is a jinn

Or it could be a hallucination. Or it could be she was making it up.

OnceConvinced · Post by **OnceConvinced** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:48 pm

Hi Converted. Am I able to ask you where you live? It just seems remarkable to me that you assume so much to be supernatural.

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote: magician woman said HEY SARA THIS IS FOR YOU IT IS DELICIOUS then sara took that juice

Think about it Converted. Why would the woman really want her to drink this? To drug her of course!

would you tell me what kind of drug is that ? !
my dear Fallibleone there is no drug in the world can cause like that
( seeing her self with no head or seeing an old huge woman asking her to come with her to the second floor and seeing her husband about to jump while he sleeping near by her )
if it were drug doctors will help her not the curaan

There are many such drugs. Most modern cultures recognise what they can do, which is why people like Witch doctors, Shamans and so-called Magicians are not taken seriously here. It's why we don't have a problem with such people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedeli ... deliriants

So she is a relative.

yes she is

So that automatically makes her trustworthy?

because there was a magic in that juice ( a magic make that jinn live in her body and no body can get that jinn out so you must get that magic out to get that jinn out )

What you are describing here is not magic, but a simple drug. It's possible it may be some undectable drug that the doctors could not find, if they indeed checked her over properly.

in the 4th time he read for one hour he read (surah al baqarah)
that sheikh was saying ( get out of her ,, get out of her ) after one hour she puked and never saw that again till these days It was before more than one year

Generally when you puke drugs or poison out of you system, that's gonna make the difference.