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Would atheists pray if . . . .

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Someone dear to them asked them to?

Your mother believes in God. You do not. She knows you do not and you know that she believes with all her soul

Suddenly she falls deathly ill and asks you to pray for her. What do you do?

Do you


Pray?

Don't pray, but tell her you have?

Tell her right then and there her beliefs are crap and you won't bother praying?

Other?
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achilles12604 wrote:Pray to God. After all Allah is simply the Arabic word for God.
So, in other words, you wouldn't pray the way your mother asked you to. You'd be praying to your Christian god, but calling it the Muslim god. Got it.

That should give you some insight into the atheist reply.

Incidentally...

You do realize that anyone who says a prayer to the Muslim god is a Muslim forever, right? You do realize that the bible doesn't mince words about who the true god is, right? You do realize that Allah was originally a moon god, right?

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The Duke of Vandals wrote:
achilles12604 wrote:Pray to God. After all Allah is simply the Arabic word for God.
You do realize that anyone who says a prayer to the Muslim god is a Muslim forever, right?


Evidence?

You do realize that the bible doesn't mince words about who the true god is, right?


Yes.
You do realize that Allah was originally a moon god, right?
Yes. I also realize that the modern reference to Allah is simply God. so if asked to pray to Allah, I would simply pray to God since that is what I was asked to do.
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A wrote:so if asked to pray to Allah, I would simply pray to God since that is what I was asked to do
You're changing the context. Read what I wrote again:
The Duke of Vandals wrote:She falls ill and asks you to pray to Allah. Or maybe she turns Hindu and asks you to pray to Vishnu.
Allah isn't Jesus / yahweh. He's a moon god. Praying to Allah makes you a Muslim. Furthermore, you've completely evaded the issue of Vishnu. Would you pray to Vishnu or not?

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The Duke of Vandals wrote:
A wrote:so if asked to pray to Allah, I would simply pray to God since that is what I was asked to do
You're changing the context. Read what I wrote again:
The Duke of Vandals wrote:She falls ill and asks you to pray to Allah. Or maybe she turns Hindu and asks you to pray to Vishnu.
Allah isn't Jesus / yahweh. He's a moon god. Praying to Allah makes you a Muslim. Furthermore, you've completely evaded the issue of Vishnu. Would you pray to Vishnu or not?
No, not true. I heard this from a lot of anti-Muslims christens too. But Allah is merely a generic term for God in Arabic. Arab Christians called God Allah.
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The Duke of Vandals wrote:
achilles12604 wrote:Pray to God. After all Allah is simply the Arabic word for God.
So, in other words, you wouldn't pray the way your mother asked you to. You'd be praying to your Christian god, but calling it the Muslim god. Got it.

That should give you some insight into the atheist reply.

Incidentally...

You do realize that anyone who says a prayer to the Muslim god is a Muslim forever, right? You do realize that the bible doesn't mince words about who the true god is, right? You do realize that Allah was originally a moon god, right?
And you realize that you are unable to answer any question without twisting it into another question so out of context the IQ of the content drops by at least 30 points. Seriously, if you feel so above those of us on this forum, feel free to not post. I can't speak for everyone, I can only offer my own opinion and that is that you have little to nothing of value to offer to those of us trying to work things out. Perhaps we shall never be up to your standards. If such is the case, then maybe lowering yourself to ours isn't your best option.
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The late Jacques Derrida;

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Although of Jewish ethnicity, the philosopher (the late) Jacques Derrida didn’t believe in God. But he certainly prayed, and details this with some neat insights (more into his person and his morality and views as a philosopher) here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_nyd45czM
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I realize this is a debating website, but not everything has to be a debate. its just a simple question. DoV, if your going to give that variety of response please at least respond to the origional question.

As for me? I would pray. Despite being an atheist, I have actually prayed at times in the past, and will probably do so again.

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FinalEnigma wrote:Despite being an atheist, I have actually prayed at times in the past, and will probably do so again.
To whom have you directed your prayers? Or have you simply released into the ‘airspace’ for the universe, or whatever roaming deity/supernatural being might come across them? Or does it work more like a confessional or diary, where uttering the prayer releases any burden you might feel, a sort of therapeutic act, if you will?
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Directed to the christian God. the one with which I am most familliar I suppose. That and that I occasionally have exposure to christian beliefs as I went to church for a while.

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Pazuzu bin Hanbi wrote:
FinalEnigma wrote:Despite being an atheist, I have actually prayed at times in the past, and will probably do so again.
To whom have you directed your prayers? Or have you simply released into the ‘airspace’ for the universe, or whatever roaming deity/supernatural being might come across them? Or does it work more like a confessional or diary, where uttering the prayer releases any burden you might feel, a sort of therapeutic act, if you will?
Please tell me you are being rhetorical here.
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