Who do they worship?

[Mithrae]

They tell us that there is a devil out there, a powerful being, the "god of this world" (2 Cor. 4:4), supremely evil and working tirelessly to deceive humanity.

Then they tell us about the being who they choose to worship:

1. One who planned to keep humans ignorant of good and evil, the sole and greatest 'sin' (had they known what sin was) being to acquire that knowledge
2. One who established rules such that thenceforth every human would be born with an innate propensity for evil
3. One who is unwilling or unable to simply forgive or show mercy for those sins he thrust upon us, but instead requires a blood sacrifice in order to 'forgive'; and not just any blood sacrifice but a human sacrifice... and not just any human sacrifice, but a totally innocent sacrifice of his own son! Without that horrific act this being they worship was apparently incapable of forgiving the sinfulness which he himself created
4. One who endorsed, actively commanded and on several occasions personally engaged in the most heinous kind of deeds that humans have ever done such as institutional intergenerational chattel slavery and even wholesale genocide, and plans to ramp that slaughter up a hundred-fold at the end of the age
5. Even more amazingly, one who plans to do the most vicious thing that humans can even imagine - torturing and savouring the smoke from the fiery torment of billions upon billions of people for day after day, year after year, century after century for all eternity, a literally incomprehensible level of cruelty

Can we make any inferences about the being worshipped by Christians?

"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— where
‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— where
‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— where
‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’"
~ Mark 9:43-48

"They, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever."
~ Revelation 14:10-11

[A Freeman]

[Replying to Mithrae in post #1]
Greetings and good wishes to everyone on this forum.

With regard to the questions you've posed, it's necessary to provide some context to properly answer them, beginning with why we are here, and what "human life" is really all about.

There was a war that took place in heaven 6000+ years ago, where Lucifer/Satan/Iblis gathered a third of the angels (spiritual-Beings) in heaven into his army, to attempt a coup against Father (God) and His Christ (His Anointed One - Prince Michael - Dan. 10:21; Dan. 12:1).

Revelation 12:3-4, 7-9
12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
12:4 And his tale (of lies - John 8:35) drew the third part of the "Stars" (ch. 9:1) of heaven (into his army), and did (cause them to be) cast to the Earth (for their treason against God): and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born (Christ - Second Coming).

12:7 And there WAS in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out TO THE EARTH, and his angels (all of us - Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).

Isaiah 14:12-17
14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the Morning (Star)! [How] art thou cut down to the earth, which didst weaken the nations!
14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the North:
14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like (take the Place of) The Most High.
14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the person that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
14:17 [That] made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; [that] opened not the house of his prisoners?

This is why we were told from the outset that we need to be taught how to be good -- like God and the angels of heaven who fought WITH God and Prince Michael -- in this prison planet reform school for the criminally insane (aka "sinners").

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in Our image, and teach him to be like Us: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

This prison planet reform school was constructed so that we, as spiritual-Beings (Souls) who could feel no pain, would be placed inside of (i.e. incarnated inside of) these human bodies in such a way that we see, hear, feel and experience everything that they do during the lifespan of the human. And during that lifetime, we would be given the free-will to choose between good and evil (Deut. 30:15-20)).

For those that doubt this is a prison, where we are the prisoners, please review the following passages: Enoch 18:15, Psalms 69:33, Psalms 102:20, Psalms 142:7, Psalms 146:7, Eccl. 4:14, Isa. 14:17, Isa. 24:22, Isa. 42:7, Isa. 61:1, Lam. 3:31-34.

For those who doubt that we are spiritual-Beings temporarily incarnated inside of the human body we see in the mirror (human+Beings), or that reincarnation is a Biblical fact, please review the article entitled "Reincarnation is an Irrefutable Fact" and the following verses in Scripture:

Old Covenant/Testament:
Genesis 2:7; Genesis 5:23-24, Hebrews 11:5; Genesis 6:3; 6:11-17, 7:21-22; Genesis 14:18-20, John 8:47-49 (KJV 8:56-58); Genesis 49:1, 49:10; Exodus 20:5; Deuteronomy 4:30; Deuteronomy 31:16; Deuteronomy 31:29; Deuteronomy 32:29; Enoch 6:11-12; Enoch 10:10, 23; Enoch 12:1-2; Enoch 15:3-7; Enoch 22:5-7; Enoch 39:11-12; Enoch 49:1; Enoch 60:14, Eph. 5:14; Enoch 70:13; Enoch 90:1; Enoch 91:1-3; Enoch 99:3; 2 Samuel 7:12; 1 Kings 1:21, 2:10; 2 Kings 8:24, 10:35, 13:9, 13:13, 14:16, 14:22, 14:29; 2 Kings 15:7, 15:22, 15:38, 16:20, 20:21, 21:18, 24:6; 2 Chronicles 9:31, 12:16, 14:1, 16:13, 21:1, 26:2; 2 Chronicles 26:23, 27:9, 28:27, 32:33, 33:20; Job 1:21; Job 14:12-14; Job 34:14-15; Psalm 16:10; Psalm 22:29; Psalm 23; Psalm 30:3; Psalm 33:18-20; Psalm 49:14-15; Psalm 56:13; Psalm 58:3; Psalm 82:6-7; Psalm 90:1-10; Psalm 102:20-26; Psalm 103:20; Psalm 104:4; Psalm 107:24-26; Psalm 111:9-10; Psalm 116:7-9; Psalm 118:17; Psalm 119:175-176; Psalm 136:23; Psalm 142:7; Psalm 143:3-8; Jeremiah 1:5; Daniel 12:13

New Covenant/Testament:
Matthew 16:24-28; Matthew 17:10-13; Matthew 19:28; Matthew 22:29-32; Matthew 24:3, 32-34; Mark 12:24-27; Luke 8:52-55; Luke 9:23-27; Luke 20:34-38; Luke 20:41-44; John 1:14-15; John 3:3-13; John 8:42-43; John 9:1-2; 5:14; John 11:11-44; John 17:5; John 17:14-17; John 18:36-37
Thomas 3:5-6; Thomas 6:1; Thomas 6:8-10; Thomas 8:4; Thomas 8:8-10; Thomas 13:16; Thomas 16:1-2; James 2:26; Galatians 6:7; 2 Corinthians 5:6-10; 2 Corinthians 12:2-5; Hebrews 9:27-28; Revelation 1:5; Revelation 2:11, 20:6, 20:14, 21:8; Revelation 2:17, 3:12, 19:12; Revelation 28:10-12

Koran/Quran:
Sura 2:28; Sura 2:53-56; Sura 2:154-157; Sura 3:181-185; Sura 7:53; Sura 7:167-169; Sura 13:5; Sura 16:70; Sura 17:46-51; Sura 17:96-99
Sura 20:55; Sura 20:124-126; Sura 22:5-6; Sura 22:65-66; Sura 23:30-40; Sura 23:80-84; Sura 23:99-101; Sura 26:81; Sura 27:67; Sura 30:40;
Sura 32:10-12; Sura 34:7-8; Sura 36:68; Sura 37:11-20; Sura 39:42; Sura 40:11; Sura 41:20-25; Sura 44:35-36; Sura 46:17-18; Sura 50:2-11; Sura 56:24; Sura 56:47-52; Sura 56:60-62; Sura 57:17; Sura 71:17-18; Sura 79:10-12; Sura 80:18-23; Sura 100:9-11

In that proper context, and in direct answer to your questions, in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve were being taught by God how to be good, by metaphorically eating from the "tree" of the knowledge of GOOD". When they chose to metaphorically eat from the "tree" of the knowledge of good AND evil, they became confused, not knowing the difference between the two, a condition which has plagued mankind ever since (see Matt. 7:16-20 for context). This is why most people choose to believe in the satanic LIE that "we are only human after all" instead of recognizing that we are spiritual-Beings that are supposed to be learning "self" control, i.e. how to keep the human+Being under control, instead of giving in to whatever the human wants (the pursuit of pleasures and treasures, etc., i.e. materialism).

Similarly, the flood was sent to destroy the humans (flesh) ONLY, which had become so violent and evil that the reform school ceased to function as it should (Gen. 6:5-11). Only Noah and his family were spared, because they were not corrupted by the others. That way, God could then send the spiritual-Beings -- whose bodies had been destroyed by the flood -- back into the descendants of Noah's sons, giving each of them the opportunity again to learn how to be good. A fresh start from a SPIRITUAL perspective.

The same goes for the Egyptians that were destroyed when the Red Sea folded in on top of them. And again when the Israelites were told to rid the land of Canaan of the people living there at that time, who likewise had corrupted themselves (given into human desire and moral depravity), and thus could only hope to be rehabilitated in new human bodies descended from the Israelite tribes. Sadly, they disobeyed and were eventually corrupted and have been suffering ever since then, in the countries where they migrated after being taken into captivity.

So what you are calling "genocide" was actually the most loving thing that could be done for the spiritual-Beings/Souls/Jinns. To have done otherwise would have condemned those particular spiritual-Beings to The Fire, which has been reserved for the Last Day for all unrepentant Souls (i.e. those who refuse to learn how to play nicely with others - aka "loving your neighbour" - Mark 12:29-31; Rom. 13:8-10).

We are all faced with the same decision to make: either learn to serve God and the common-good, for everyone's benefit and LIVE, or continue to serve the "self" (the ego/flesh/human), the latter of which is serving Lucifer/Satan/Iblis, and DIE.

We are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey.

[Clownboat]

There was a war that took place in heaven 6000+ years ago, where Lucifer/Satan/Iblis gathered a third of the angels (spiritual-Beings) in heaven into his army, to attempt a coup against Father (God) and His Christ (His Anointed One - Prince Michael

Such a thing didn't actually take place and can only be found in religious promotional material that we now call the Bible. It seems you have been duped, sorry.

This is why we were told from the outset that we need to be taught how to be good -- like God and the angels of heaven who fought WITH God and Prince Michael -- in this prison planet reform school for the criminally insane (aka "sinners").

I'm not a sinner nor insane. This informs me that your words cannot be trusted for not being true. Feel free to believe whatever evil you wish to place on me if it helps for you to retain your belief as it matters not to me.

For those that doubt this is a prison, where we are the prisoners, please review the following passages: Enoch 18:15, Psalms 69:33, Psalms 102:20, Psalms 142:7, Psalms 146:7, Eccl. 4:14, Isa. 14:17, Isa. 24:22, Isa. 42:7, Isa. 61:1, Lam. 3:31-34.

And for those that doubt that the earth is flat:
https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/
And for those that doubt Big Foot:
https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-a ... sightings/

I trust you see why your reasoning is being questioned. If not, just imagine how unimpressed you are with quotes from the Quran.

<snipped talk about Eden and a global flood>
To discuss such things is to give them credit that they don't deserve currently.

[Mithrae]

So what you are calling "genocide" was actually the most loving thing that could be done

Genocide, mass enslavement, endless torture and human sacrifice are considered "good" to the followers of . . . . :
A) A loving god?
B) A demonic demiurge?
C) A deity created in the image of primitive humans?

[A Freeman]

Our loving Creator has provided us with all of the necessary tools to have a perfect society, free from poverty and crime, where everyone loves one another and enjoys TRUE freedom and justice for all.

But instead of striving to put His Perfect Law of Liberty into practice, so that everyone can reap the benefits and blessings from it, we have instead chosen a satanic system where women are raped, children are molested, people lie, cheat and steal from one another on a regular basis and where no one is free from oppression and injustice. We've literally "legalized" theft in the form of taxes and mass-murder in the form of wars and vaccines, and some still argue from a point of ignorance against our Creator's Perfect Law that they've never put into practice nor experienced, which would end human suffering.

It is the doom of mankind that we refuse to overcome our own egos, recognize and admit OUR own errors, and learn how to live at ONE with our Creator, our neighbours and our natural surroundings.

[Clownboat]

Our loving Creator has provided us with all of the necessary tools to have a perfect society, free from poverty and crime, where everyone loves one another and enjoys TRUE freedom and justice for all.

I hear your claim and find it to be false.

Only when Christians and Muslims stop telling their children that there is a God that loves them so much, as to send them to heaven, yet hates the other so much as to send them to hell will we ever stop the violence and bloodshed.

People need to stop pretending that they have it all figured out, because of the particular god concept they have decided to place faith in. Especially when it is a fact that people generally pick their god concept due to their geographic location on this planet (I don't find this to be a valid reason to pick a god personally). Had you been born in Iran, I could see you making the very same argument about how Allah has done the very same thing.

[A Freeman]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #15]

We are ALL living in hell, and have been here for approximately 6000 years and many human lifetimes.

And the ONLY Way that all of the violence and bloodshed will ever come to an end is when we UNITE under our Creator's Perfect Law of Liberty, which has absolutely NOTHING to do with organized religions, nor with governments and their made-up rules, legislation, "codes", etc. (which are NOT "laws").

People can rant and rave that this planet (Earth) isn't hell, while ignoring the FACT that we live on a planet where people lie, cheat and steal from each other on a daily basis, where women are raped, where children are molested (often times by some religious leader, e.g. a priest, pastor, rabbi or imam, etc.), where theft has been "legalized" on an international scale in the form of taxes, and where mass-murder is not only accepted but condoned by most in the form of war, vaccines and pharmacy, chemical and radiation poisoning etc.

Of course we also live with injustice and oppression from our corporate fictional governments, corporate fictional organized religions and and from our corporate fictional courts and their legal systems, all of which mete out injustice and oppression on a daily basis

No sane, truly civilized society would tolerate any of this EVIL for themselves or for their loved ones. And yet all of this goes on, here in hell, and is getting worse by the day if not by the hour, as we close in on the final phase of WW3, and the imminent death of billions worldwide.

The flames that are usually associated with hell (hell-fire really) have been reserved for the Last Day, for those who worship materialism and lies, and believe the way we treat one another here is somehow acceptable. This state of lawlessness and evil, where we destroy one another and our natural surroundings, so that a few deranged individuals can live in the lap of luxury at everyone else's detriment and expense, will NOT be tolerated indefinitely. In fact, it is coming to an end SOON, along with all of its institutions (church, state, the medical/chemical/pharmaceutical industrial complex, the courts, etc.)

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[bjs1]

[Replying to Mithrae in post #1]

Hi Mithrae.

I think that I am with Goose on this one. This post does not accurately reflect Christian beliefs.

A few years ago there was a trend where people made a joke of “Movies described badly.” It would be things like “Short kings walk nine hours to return a piece of jewelry” or “Two middle-aged women wander through a mall to make a young girl cry.” We can see how these describe The Lord of the Rings and Inside Out respectively, but we also know that they are not correct descriptions. The goal is comedy, not accuracy.

In this post it seems that the goal is to attack Christianity, not give an accurate description of what Christians believe.

[Mithrae]

[Replying to Mithrae in post #1]

Hi Mithrae.

I think that I am with Goose on this one. This post does not accurately reflect Christian beliefs.

A few years ago there was a trend where people made a joke of “Movies described badly.” It would be things like “Short kings walk nine hours to return a piece of jewelry” or “Two middle-aged women wander through a mall to make a young girl cry.” We can see how these describe The Lord of the Rings and Inside Out respectively, but we also know that they are not correct descriptions. The goal is comedy, not accuracy.

In this post it seems that the goal is to attack Christianity, not give an accurate description of what Christians believe.

Hi BJS I think it might help make your point if you could show which of my points is inaccurate?

Obviously not all Christians believe all of those things - there are even some who don't believe any of those things - but if we're talking about, say, Evangelical Protestants then I'd guess it to be a majority for the fifth and an overwhelming majority for the first four. We have already seen more than one Christian in this thread literally defending slavery and insisting that genocide was "loving," because that is what they believe! Significant but varying degrees of overlap for most other major branches of course, with #3 probably believed by an overwhelming majority of Christians in general.

So looking at #3 as an example, the main symbol of Christianity is not a triquetra or a tetragrammaton or a fish or even some representation of an open tomb; it's the cross of Jesus' death. He's universally regarded as having died around the time of Passover, commemorating the slaughter of a lamb to save people from death at God's hand. He is explicitly called "the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world." Jesus himself reportedly told his disciples on the night of his betrayal that "this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." I quoted from Hebrews 9 earlier that "under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins... But as it is, [Jesus] has appeared once for all at the end of the age to remove sin by the sacrifice of himself." As Hebrews suggests, it's all but impossible to make sense of the bloodthirsty Law of Moses without supposing either that it was a strictly man-made system, or that the sacrifices will resume under a new temple, or that they pointed to an Ultimate Sacrifice. Obviously there are dozens of other passages and supposed 'foreshadowings' which I could list, but this seems more than enough.

So according to the bible at least - and reflected in the iconography and beliefs of most Christians - it is literally and explicitly accurate that the being they worship

• is unwilling or unable to simply forgive or show mercy for those sins he thrust upon us, but instead requires a blood sacrifice in order to 'forgive'; and not just any blood sacrifice but a human sacrifice... and not just any human sacrifice, but a totally innocent sacrifice of his own son

What I presented in the OP doesn't even represent an extreme among Christians. The largest Christian sect goes even further, insisting (again on solid biblical grounds) that it's not just the sacrifice but also a quasi-cannibalistic ritual which is demanded in order to receive forgiveness, through the mystery of transubstantiation and the real presence of Jesus' flesh and blood in the eucharistic hosts:

• John 6:52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’ 53 So Jesus said to them, ‘Here's the actual facts; unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have eternal life, and I will raise them up on the last day; 55 for my flesh is actual food and my blood is actual drink. 56 Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood abide in me, and I in them.’

[A Freeman]

[Replying to Mithrae in post #1]

Mithrae, in post #1:
"They tell us that there is a devil out there, a powerful being, the "god of this world" (2 Cor. 4:4), supremely evil and working tirelessly to deceive humanity."

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If by “they” you mean our extra-terrestrial progenitors, aka “God” and the angels of heaven, then yes, that’s true and correct (both what They’ve said and that They said it).

We’re even told why the Lucifer, devil (liar), aka “Satan” (the Opposer) and his angels were banished from heaven to the Earth.

Revelation 12:7-9
12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer); and the dragon fought and his angels,
12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out to the Earth, and his angels (you – Luke 9:55) were cast out with him (Matthew 25:41).

The Koran/Quran provides us with even further details, e.g. how all of us agreed to submit to human limitations, i.e. being incarnated inside of humans (aka “Adams”), so that we could be rehabilitated/taught how to be good, like God and the rest of the angels of heaven (Gen. 1:26).

Sura 7:11-18
7:11. It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the (fallen) angels submit to Adam, and you submitted (Luke 9:55); not so Iblis (Lucifer); he refused to be of you who submitted.
7:12. ("I AM") said: "What prevented thee from submitting when I commanded thee?" He said: "I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire (energy), and him from clay."
7:13. ("I AM") said: "Get thee down from this: it is not for thee to be arrogant here: get out, for thou art of the meanest (of creatures)."
7:14. He said: "Give me respite till The Day they are raised up."
7:15. ("I AM") said: "Be thou among those who have respite."
7:16. He said: "Because thou hast thrown me out of The Way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on Thy Straight Way:
7:17. Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: nor wilt Thou find, in MOST of them, gratitude (for Thy mercies)."
7:18. ("I AM") said: "Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee,- Hell-Fire will I fill with you all (Matt. 8:22).

Sura 15:26-42
15:26. We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;
15:27. And the Being (of light) race, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind.
15:28. Behold! Thy Lord said to the (fallen) angels: "I am about to create man, from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;
15:29. When I have fashioned him (in due proportion) and breathed into him of My spirit (Gen. 2:7), fall ye down into submission inside him."
15:30. So the (fallen) angels submitted themselves (Luke 9:55), all of them together:
15:31. Except Iblis (Lucifer): he refused to be among those who submitted themselves (to human limitations).
15:32. ("I AM") said: "O Lucifer! What is your reason for not being among those who submitted themselves?"
15:33. (Lucifer) said: "I am not one to submit myself to man, whom Thou didst create from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape."
15:34. ("I AM") said: "Then get thee out from here; for thou art rejected, accursed.
15:35. And the Curse shall be on thee till The Day of Judgment."
15:36. (Lucifer) said: "O my Lord! give me then respite till The Day the (dead) are raised."
15:37. ("I AM") said: "Respite is granted thee-
15:38. Till the Day of the Time appointed."
15:39. (Lucifer) said: "O my Lord! Because Thou hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on the Earth, and I will put them ALL in the wrong (Isaiah 5:20-21),-
15:40. Except Thy servants among them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace)."
15:41. ("I AM") said: "This (way of My sincere servants) is indeed The Way that leads straight to Me (John 11:25).
15:42. For over My servants no authority shalt thou have, except such as put themselves in the wrong by following thee."

Sura 17:61-65
17:61. Behold! We said to the (fallen) angels: "Submit unto Adam (man)": you submitted (Luke 9:55) except Iblis (Lucifer): he said, "Shall I submit to one whom Thou didst create from clay?"
17:62. He said: "Seest Thou? This is the one (Adamic man) whom Thou hast honoured above me! If Thou wilt but respite me to The Day of Judgment, I will surely bring his descendants under my sway (Isa. 14:12-14) - all but a few (Rev. 14:3)!"
17:63. ("I AM") said: "Go thy way if any of them follow thee, verily Hell-Fire will be the recompense of you (all)(Isa. 14:15)- an ample recompense (Matt. 8:22).
17:64. Lead to destruction those whom thou canst among them, with thy (seductive) voice; make assaults on them with thy cavalry and thy infantry; mutually share with them wealth and children; and make promises to them." But Satan promises you nothing but deceit.
17:65. "As for My servants, no authority shalt thou have over them:" enough is thy Lord for a Disposer of affairs (John 11:25).

It should be self-evident that the evil in this world is centrally-controlled and widespread. Particularly given we are on the brink of the final phase of WW3 which, along with the toxic vaccines that two-thirds of the global population took will mass-murder BILLIONS, simply because the rich and powerful don't to share with others, and nobody seems to be concerned about what we do to one another or to the planet itself.

Does anyone actually believe that ANY politician – ALL of whom are professional liars – are somehow working for the good of the people?

Similarly, Does anyone actually believe that ANY priest, pastor, rabbi or imam, etc. of every organized religion – NONE of whom actually work for God – are leading people anywhere except to join them in The Fire on the Last Day? They all teach the exact opposite of what it says in Scripture, proving they are satanic.

It has become common-place for the politicians and the priests, etc. to be adulterers, child molesters and pedophiles, on top of being thieves and liars. How obvious does it need to be that they are the most selfish, evil and insane among us?

Isaiah 3:12 [As for] My people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over them. O My people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and lead thee astray, TO THY DESTRUCTION.

Who Lucifer REALLY Is And Why You Should Care

Please take the time to read and study everything that’s been shared, for our collective benefit. Hopefully you will then see how you too have been influenced/controlled by Lucifer/Satan/Iblis (whom it seems you don’t believe is real) into deceitfully misrepresenting our Loving Creator and His Law in your opening post.

[A Freeman]

Continuing the reply to Mithrae in post #1

Mithrae:
“Then they tell us about the being who they choose to worship:
1. One who planned to keep humans ignorant of good and evil, the sole and greatest 'sin' (had they known what sin was) being to acquire that knowledge”

This may be your personal opinion, but it’s simply not true, nor an accurate representation, on any level.

In the Garden of Eden, mankind was being taught (rehabilitated really) by God how to be good (Gen. 1:26).

We were warned – for our own benefit – NOT to listen to the devil/liar again and his “half-truths” (i.e. LIES), symbolized by the “tree” of the knowledge of good AND evil (see: Matt. 7:16-20.

The “eating” of the tree of the knowledge of good AND evil – which poisons both mind/soul and body -- would very obviously cause us to DIE in our confusion, no longer knowing the difference between the two. That is why we were LOVINGLY warned away from that course of action. Here is the same warning again, hopefully worded in a way that’s easy enough to understand:

Deuteronomy 30:15-20
30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the "I AM" thy God, to walk in His Ways, and to keep His Commandments and His Statutes and His Judgments, that thou mayest LIVE and multiply: and the "I AM" thy God shall bless thee in the land where thou goest to possess it.
30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, [and that] ye shall not prolong [your] days upon the land, where thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing : therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
30:20 That thou mayest love the "I AM" thy God, [and] that thou mayest obey His voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto Him: for He [is] thy Life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the "I AM" sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel, to give them.

Simply put, we are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey. If we choose to obey God and His Law/Commandments – given to us to protect us from evil and to set and keep us FREE -- then we are His Children. If, on the other hand, we continue to listen to and obey Lucifer/Satan/Iblis (the devil/liar), then we are his children.

Sadly, this world has chosen to serve and obey Satan and his insanity, which is why we find ourselves oppressed, enslaved, and suffering under the injustices that have been accepted as “normal” by most. For doubters, please consider the FACT that the word “employee” is just a modern-day word for SLAVE.

“There are none so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free” – Johann Wolfgang von Goethe