To Occupy or Not to Occupy

[Artur Axmann]

Excerpt from the "Moment of Truth " document signed by religious leaders living in occupied Palestine.


1.1.2 Israeli settlements ravage our land in the name of God and in the name of
force, controlling our natural resources, including water and agricultural land, thus
depriving hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, and constituting an obstacle to any
political solution.

"Is Judaism validated?"

"By their fruits ye shall know them..."

Is Judaism validated by current events in occupied Palestine???????

[Artur Axmann]

No, she is asking you a direct question. Do you acknowledge that "churches failed to resist, and sometimes even aided and abetted pogroms, mass dislocations of Jews, and the calamity of the Nazi Holocaust"? Sounds pretty specific to me.

Is that what she pretty specific said? How did I miss that hmmmm...

[Heretic Gal]

No, she is asking you a direct question. Do you acknowledge that "churches failed to resist, and sometimes even aided and abetted pogroms, mass dislocations of Jews, and the calamity of the Nazi Holocaust"? Sounds pretty specific to me.

Is that what she pretty specific said? How did I miss that hmmmm...

So now that you've seen it, will you please respond? Thank you very much.

[Artur Axmann]

No, she is asking you a direct question. Do you acknowledge that "churches failed to resist, and sometimes even aided and abetted pogroms, mass dislocations of Jews, and the calamity of the Nazi Holocaust"? Sounds pretty specific to me.

Is that what she pretty specific said? How did I miss that hmmmm...

So now that you've seen it, will you please respond? Thank you very much.

That's a charge one often hears .. But you have to demonstrate the truth of it.Not Me.

Be specific.. not with the charge but with the evidence of what you're claiming as truth.

[Heretic Gal]

No, she is asking you a direct question. Do you acknowledge that "churches failed to resist, and sometimes even aided and abetted pogroms, mass dislocations of Jews, and the calamity of the Nazi Holocaust"? Sounds pretty specific to me.

Is that what she pretty specific said? How did I miss that hmmmm...

So now that you've seen it, will you please respond? Thank you very much.

That's a charge one often hears .. But you have to demonstrate the truth of it.Not Me.

Be specific.. not with the charge but with the evidence of what you're claiming as truth.

No, actually I don't. You need to provide evidence that the pogroms, mass dislocations of Jews, and the Holocaust did NOT happen.

[Artur Axmann]

[Replying to post 14 by Heretic Gal]

When a group controls the media ,they control its content as well.

They can write the history books or portray themselves as the world's eternally persecuted minority.

And this is why you believe what you claim to be true .. But none of it is..

This is what's absolutely true:

"Today, seven Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals:

Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records.

Most of the larger independent newspapers are owned by Jewish interests as well. An example is media mogul is Samuel I. "Si" Newhouse, who owns two dozen daily newspapers from Staten Island to Oregon, plus the Sunday supplement Parade; the Conde Nast collection of magazines, including Vogue, The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, Allure, GQ, and Self; the publishing firms of Random House, Knopf, Crown, and Ballantine, among other imprints; and cable franchises with over one million subscribers."

I coul d add that Michael Eisner could depart Disney tomorrow but the company will remain in the hands of Shamrock Holdings, whose principal office is now located in Israel".

http://wais.stanford.edu/History/his...ion(092803).ht ml

[bluethread]

This is what's absolutely true:

"Today, seven Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals:

Ya, those guys are soo, pro Israel! Good thing I can get a more balanced view on FOX.

[Heretic Gal]

http://wais.stanford.edu/History/his...ion(092803).ht ml

That link goes directly to a "Page Not Found" message. Would you please provide the correct, working URL so I can examine the document you're quoting from?

[cnorman18]

What fun! The responses below are from a post of mine from TWO YEARS AGO. I haven't even bothered to update them; even they are probably out of date by now.

Once again, we see "Artur" posting some false (and blatantly antisemitic) propaganda that was proven false -- and too old to take seriously -- long before he showed up here.

[Replying to post 14 by Heretic Gal]

When a group controls the media ,they control its content as well.

They can write the history books or portray themselves as the world's eternally persecuted minority.

And this is why you believe what you claim to be true .. But none of it is..

This is what's absolutely true:

"Today, seven Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals:

Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

Gerald Levin “retired� as CEO of AOL Time Warner in 2000, after the disastrous merger of those two companies (which resulted in a loss of 70% of stock value and “vaporized� about $200 billion). He is now “presiding director of Moonview Sanctuary, a “holistic healing institute� with a full-time staff of fewer than twenty people. Just down the hall from us is a yoga room with an extremely large gong. Another room holds tribal hand drums, Tibetan bowls, and traditional gamelan instruments—all used in ceremonial “men’s circles� led by Moonview clinicians. There’s a massage and acupuncture room. A chiropractic room. A room where Moonview clients can work on their “journaling.� In the hallway is a marble Buddha statue, posed in a mudra representing service and protection. The statue was a gift from Levin to his wife, Laurie, who is Moonview’s founder and CEO.�

Some media mogul.

Time-Warner’s CEO is now one Jeffrey Bewkes, who is of German/Dutch ancestry. Bewkes is not Jewish.

Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

Eisner hasn’t been associated with Disney since 2005. He was forced out after poor performance by Roy Disney and the stockholders. He now runs the Tornante Company, which produces videos for the Internet, and recently acquired the Topps company, which of course produces bubblegum cards and other “collectibles.�

The present CEO of Disney is Robert A. “Bob� Iger. Iger is Jewish, but his wife is Roman Catholic.

Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

Bronfman Senior was briefly head of MGM, in 1969. His company, Distillers Corporation-Seagrams Ltd., was a liquor company. It did not acquire any entertainment or media companies until after he stepped down as chairman in 1994.

Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

Seagram was acquired by Pernod Ricard and Diageo in 2000, and lost control of all its entertainment businesses in that same year when it was bought by Vivendi, a French conglomerate. Bronfman stepped down as CEO of Vivendi Universal, the production company that was the remnant of Seagram. He has been active as a small investor, and as a composer, in the music business since; he has written songs recorded by Celine Dion and Barbra Streisand.

The current chairman and CEO of Vivendi is one Jean-Francois Dubos. He is not Jewish.

Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

Viacom, of course, is the syndication company that markets reruns of television shows after they finish their initial runs. Redstone is hardly a socialist/communist Jew conspirator; he supported the re-election of George W. Bush in 2004.

Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

Dennis Dammerman is not Jewish. Further, the CHAIRMAN of General Electric, Jeffrey Immelt, is not Jewish.

Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

Better known as the parent corporation of Fox News. Chernin stepped down as president of Fox’s entertainment division in 2009. Of course, one of Fox’s major shareholders is Saudi prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, who is also a major investor in AOL, Apple Inc., MCI Inc., Motorola, and other media companies...

The really interesting thing about this outdated, inaccurate, and deliberately misleading list of “Jewish media moguls� is that it’s posted all over the Web, at every antisemitic, conspiracy and hate site you can find -- verbatim.. Cut and paste it into your browser and see for yourself.

And here’s another fun project to do at home, kids: cut and paste this following sentence into your search engine too, and see what comes up!

Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records.

That’s right -- this largely outdated and often erronous or misleading information is posted, word-for-word, on antisemitic, conspiracy, and other hate sites all over the Web! Can you imagine my surprise? After all, “Jewish control of the media� is almost as old a myth as “Jewish control of the banks.�

Now try it with THIS sentence:

Most of the larger independent newspapers are owned by Jewish interests as well. An example is media mogul is Samuel I. "Si" Newhouse, who owns two dozen daily newspapers from Staten Island to Oregon, plus the Sunday supplement Parade; the Conde Nast collection of magazines, including Vogue, The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, Allure, GQ, and Self; the publishing firms of Random House, Knopf, Crown, and Ballantine, among other imprints; and cable franchises with over one million subscribers."

And there it is again! Yes indeed, hate sites out the wazoo!

And now for even more fun! Post the following sentence into your browser -- complet with the bolded typo -- and see what happens!

I coul d add that Michael Eisner could depart Disney tomorrow but the company will remain in the hands of Shamrock Holdings, whose principal office is now located in Israel".

Yep, there it is again! Over and over and over again -- and of course, Michael Eisner could NOT "depart Disney tomorrow," because he departed Disney more than nine years ago.

http://wais.stanford.edu/History/his...ion(092803).ht ml

And, imagine my surprise, the "link" doesn't work.

Honestly, "Artur," if you're going to post this kind of organic waste, at least try to find some that isn't a decade out of date and hasn't already been debunked on this very forum.

Your agenda is clear, and so is the quality and reliability of your "sources."

Please do carry on. I would find this amusing, if it weren't so contemptible.

[bluethread]

I am so disappointed that this thread took this turn. I was hoping that we would be able to compare the how the land is prospering under Hamas as opposed to Israel.

[cnorman18]

[Replying to post 19 by bluethread]

There was never any "turn" for this thread to take; this was the course planned for it by "Artur Axmann," which, to be frank, I suspected as soon as I saw his flamboyantly Aryan screenname. Antisemitism, Holocaust denial, Jewish control of the media and banks, all the usual suspects. Every thread he started here had that kind of agenda as its object.

Antisemitism will always be with us; but, fortunately, it has little future since the defeat of Naziism. The reason is simple enough; being a thoroughgoing, dedicated, even obsessed Jew-hater and having an IQ above 80 is all but mutually exclusive. Proof is the ease with which one can debunk and expose their scurrilous claims.

Now, CASUAL antisemitism -- that is, an unreflective acceptance of many, if not all, Jewish stereotypes and a general, unfocused dislike of Jews -- is quite another matter. One may be very intelligent indeed and go in that direction, because of simple mental laziness, apathy, and a lack of interest in examining the issues. Quite another problem. In contrast to such low-grade prejudice, from the really dedicated, foaming-at-the-mouth antisemitic bigot, one invariably hears straight-up Holocaust denial, predictable fakery and smears involving the Talmud, and allegations of worldwide Jewish "conspiracy" and "control." Those are the distinguishing features of the generally dull-witted old-school Nazi type of hate peddler. Indeed, they are diagnostic of it.