Morality- The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.
What does this mean? Who has the right to set those standards? To one culture an action can be completely abominable and to another it's a common activity. When the conquistadors landed in the Americas they slaughtered hundreds of thousands of the natives all in the name of God, and all within their morals. How can this be justified? What gave them the right to completely uproot the native's way of living. Yes, we look upon history and call the natives savage for the way they lived (human sacrifice, slavery, etc.) But what gives us the right to say they were wrong. To them, they were being moral by sacrificing people to their gods. This parallels the war in Iraq. Yes, Iraq had a tyrant that needed removing (based on our own moral standards), but America is forcing our culture on them and how is that morally justified when they believe their way of life is moral? What gives us the right?
What is morality?
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What is morality?
Post #1"Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be a spirit of tolerance in the entire population." ~ Albert Einstein
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Post #11i cannot prove that it is true. i can only give my opinion. my belief is that God determines right and wrong conduct and lets us know through our souls what is right and wrong. i didn't mean to imply that it was 100% proven fact sorry i didn't elaborate.
btw: how do i quote i pressed the qiote button and it didn't do anything. this is probably a stupid question huh?
btw: how do i quote i pressed the qiote button and it didn't do anything. this is probably a stupid question huh?
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Post #12i cant say for sure that the nazis, conquistadors and terrorists don't really believe what they are doing is right, but i dont think they do think they are doing God's will. i can't prove it but i think they know its wrong.
i disagree that it is a subjective morality. i think it is an objective morality with subjetive view of it. liek we all see the picture, we just dont agree quite on what the picture is really showing us. im not sure how people can create a morality that we all agree on but if you say so...
Johnny cash song: I went out walking, with a bible and a gun, the word of God lay heavy on my heart i was sure i was the one. I like the song so i use the name. and Jesus the Christ drove the thieves out of the temple with a whip why wouldnt he use a gun? guns are sweet.
i disagree that it is a subjective morality. i think it is an objective morality with subjetive view of it. liek we all see the picture, we just dont agree quite on what the picture is really showing us. im not sure how people can create a morality that we all agree on but if you say so...
Johnny cash song: I went out walking, with a bible and a gun, the word of God lay heavy on my heart i was sure i was the one. I like the song so i use the name. and Jesus the Christ drove the thieves out of the temple with a whip why wouldnt he use a gun? guns are sweet.
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They were justified by whomever sanctioned their activities. When you judge otherwise you are removing them from their contemporaries, from their culture, and inserting them into yours. All you've done here is say that your view of your culture would not sanction such behaviors.ManWithABibleAndAGun wrote:right and wrong conduct is determined by the laws of God. the conquistadors were not acting in a Christian way and thus were not justified. they were savages no matter what they thought, and i don't believe they thought it was right to sacrifice people, no matter what they might have said about it. they knew it was wrong. even if they think the invasion of iraq is immoral, and even if it truly is from their point of view, we are morally just from ours. what right do they have to exercise their morality when our morality says we must keep them from exercising theirs?
If all the ignorance in the world passed a second ago, what would you say? Who would you obey?
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Post #14What's the difference between subjective morality and a subjective view of an objective morality? From whose perspective can objective morality be recognized? If anyone can have such perspective, why hasn't it been properly codified and distributed to the masses?ManWithABibleAndAGun wrote:i cant say for sure that the nazis, conquistadors and terrorists don't really believe what they are doing is right, but i dont think they do think they are doing God's will. i can't prove it but i think they know its wrong.
i disagree that it is a subjective morality. i think it is an objective morality with subjetive view of it. liek we all see the picture, we just dont agree quite on what the picture is really showing us. im not sure how people can create a morality that we all agree on but if you say so...
Johnny cash song: I went out walking, with a bible and a gun, the word of God lay heavy on my heart i was sure i was the one. I like the song so i use the name. and Jesus the Christ drove the thieves out of the temple with a whip why wouldnt he use a gun? guns are sweet.
If all the ignorance in the world passed a second ago, what would you say? Who would you obey?
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Post #15they believed what they were doing was God's will. they may not believe that they're doing your God's will, but they're certainly doing their God's will.ManWithABibleAndAGun wrote:i cant say for sure that the nazis, conquistadors and terrorists don't really believe what they are doing is right, but i dont think they do think they are doing God's will. i can't prove it but i think they know its wrong.
i disagree that it is a subjective morality. i think it is an objective morality with subjetive view of it. liek we all see the picture, we just dont agree quite on what the picture is really showing us. im not sure how people can create a morality that we all agree on but if you say so...
Johnny cash song: I went out walking, with a bible and a gun, the word of God lay heavy on my heart i was sure i was the one. I like the song so i use the name. and Jesus the Christ drove the thieves out of the temple with a whip why wouldnt he use a gun? guns are sweet.
there is objective reality, but there's no evidence of objective morality. it's very easy to create a social moral code. many laws already reflect this.
i don't remember anything about a whip. would Jesus actually shoot people, or would he just shooting blanks to scare them out of the temple? personally, i don't think guns are sweet. they are for people who live with fear, not love.