God the Pornographer

[Nick_A]

Between modern sex education and religous fundamentalism making sex something dirty, it amazes me that some kids have not yet gone off the deep end.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/28679588/?GT1=43001

It is the rage of the day for young kids to take nude pictures of themselves, give them to the opposite sex, and have them posted on the Internet. Of course not knowing how to handle it, the powers that be have said that they are engaging in child pornography. This means that a naked picture of a fourteen year old girl is by definition pornographic. Since this body was designed by God, it makes God a pornographer as well. As spock would say: fascinating.

Without the variable of intent, the body of a young girl must be considered pornographic and its creator a pornographer.

Do you believe it is right to call a young naive girl a pornographer for giving a naked picture of herself to a boy with just an innocent intent to impress?

Is this really primarily a matter for the police? Is this willingness to turn it over to them really just indicating our collective ignorance in being able to communicate to a young girl anything meaningful about sex, sex energy, and how to value her body?

I can see protecting young girls from predators but teaching the value of values should come from their parents and other adults. Somehow this basic understanding seems to have become lost in the shuffle. What happened? Can understanding about such basic aspects of life ever become common knowledge?

[kayky]

Sex education leads to mass murder among children? Can you please explain the connection?

[palmera]

1) 1 in 4 17 year olds has an std

Perhaps this is more the result of a lack of sex education? The prevalence of STDs as a result of ignorance makes more sense than a well educated youth.

2) Millions of babies have been killed
3) More than half of all marriages end in divorce

How is the rate of divorce a result of sex education?

4) An increase in gender identity confusion to the point that people are trying to change their bodies to match their minds.
5) A huge increase in promiscuity

What evidence can you show to support that promiscuity rose after sexual education was introduced in schools??

6) An increase in confusion over what marriage is
7) An increase in confusion over when life begins
8) An increase in confusion over what a pregnant woman is carrying inside of her
9) An increase in human trafficking
10) An increase in pornography, i.e., it's all over the internet, media, and movies
11) An increase in mass murder among our children
12) An increase in homosexuality
13) An increase in pedophilia
14) An increase in teen pregnancy

What evidence do you have to support any of these claims??????

Humans did an excellent job of propagating the species, keeping families together, knowing what marriage is, knowing when life begins, etc. before sex was taught in the schools. So sex "education" hasn't educated anyone. All it's done is place so much focus on sex, that people want to act on it. And worst of all, people wonder why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. unbelievable.

Any evidence at all? The good ole' days were never as good as we'd like to think. We surely didn't do a good job in America of "keeping families together" in the Civil War.

[Bio-logical]

I think I may have a few better interpretations of your post than Palmera here, I hope this clarifies.

Between modern sex education and religous fundamentalism making sex something dirty, it amazes me that some kids have not yet gone off the deep end.

Kids have gone off the deep end! Ever since sex 'education" has been allowed in the schools:

1) 1 in 4 17 year olds has an std

On this point I agree with Palmera, it has been shown that lack of education on protection is more strongly correlated with STD's than talking about sex in school. If anything is to blame for higher rates it is due to a more sexually liberated culture than 60 years ago, but the solution to that is not not teaching kids about sex, it is teaching them the reality of sex and how to protect themselves if they do choose to participate
2) Millions of babies have been killed
by this I would assume you are referring to fetuses, which are not babies yet according to the law. I also have news for you, abortions have been going on forever, now they are just safer for the mother than ever before. a good punch to the gut takes care of that pesky clump of cells almost as effectively.

3) More than half of all marriages end in divorce

More than half of all divorces end in... wait, what was my point? Oh, right, this has nothing to do with sex education.

4) An increase in gender identity confusion to the point that people are trying to change their bodies to match their minds.

This is a rather ignorant statement. You honestly don't think that gender confusion has always been present at the same rates? I believe that the amount of sex change operations and transgendered individuals is a testament to the progress of our nation's acceptance of differences. These people are no longer to ashamed to tell the truth to the world about how they feel. I would also venture a guess that suicide rates from gender confusion are significantly lower in today's culture, unless of course the individuals are persecuted or even murdered for expressing themselves.

5) A huge increase in promiscuity

I would like for you to cite your source on this one, but I would also like to ask for your definition of promiscuity. I believe that sex outside of marriage may be a little more common now, but just like transgendered individuals I believe the raise in numbers is more from public awareness than actual occurrences

6) An increase in confusion over what marriage is

Or an increased ability to question the idea of traditional marriage that excludes those not able to fall in love with nor physically attracted to the opposite sex.

7) An increase in confusion over when life begins

Again, questioning does not equal confusion. You consider it confusion because if it is not what you believe, they must be wrong. Confusion would be a bit more disoriented rather than logical and directed.

8) An increase in confusion over what a pregnant woman is carrying inside of her

I would go so far as to say we have a much better understanding of what a pregnant woman is carrying inside her than ever before with ultrasound technology
and other medical advances

9) An increase in human trafficking

You mean since the slave trade? This one is just outright false.

10) An increase in pornography, i.e., it's all over the internet, media, and movies

Fair enough

11) An increase in mass murder among our children

Again I assume you refer to abortion, no fair using the same erroneous point twice

12) An increase in homosexuality

an increased acceptance of homosexuality that, as I asserted with transgenderism, was just as prevalent before, now it is just more publicly accepted and practiced.

13) An increase in pedophilia

This one has to be a joke right? You mean since barely pubescent slaves were used as breeders or when thirteen year old girls were wedded to strangers? Or are you referring specifically to pre-pubescent children? Were you aware that Sigmund Freud's Oedopal and Elektra Syndromes were actually bastardized versions of his original psycho-analytic theory that sexual abuse as children, typically by family members, is what caused many of the more major psychological problems in adults? Do you know why he changed his tune? The world was not ready to hear that people could do that and he was basically threatened into revising his public theory. Again I assert that it is the awareness that has risen I would go so far as to say prevalence has reduced since we now actively seek out and prosecute these predators.

14) An increase in teen pregnancy

I assume you mean since we created the concept of teen, right? a few hundred years ago people married at 15, and they still do in many parts of the world. Only recently did we begin to consider teens to young to be parents, but that does not stop them from wanting to have sex. The best thing we can do now since we don't want them to be parents is to teach them how to prevent pregnancy if they engage in sex. See how that came full circle?

So it's scary to think what you believe going over the deep-end means. Our children are acting no better than animals who aren't capable of values higher than bodily gratification.

Humans did an excellent job of propagating the species, keeping families together, knowing what marriage is, knowing when life begins, etc. before sex was taught in the schools. So sex "education" hasn't educated anyone. All it's done is place so much focus on sex, that people want to act on it. And worst of all, people wonder why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. unbelievable. [/quote]

I don't wonder why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, I wonder why you believe in him. Humans did a great job propogating the species because they had sex. A lot.

[floydkeith]

The young lady would be getting off easy compared to what might have happened to her 100 years ago or 200 years ago. Of course that would also have some to do with the type of community she was raised in.

Unfortunately today, we are told how to correct our kids at home while an over zealous and often corrupt justice system strives to follow the law to the letter at the expense of the people it is supposed to protect.

This young lady decided she didn't need protection so the justice system ruins her life to teach her that the Government will make that decision for her.

Let him who never played doctor or post office or spin the bottle cast the first stone.

[rppearso]

This is because high school is a cesspool of political correctness and control, I never had any issues doing what ever I wanted after high school, I could see the hand writing on the wall when I was in high school. Any government institution that is directly engaged with the general populus is going to be a hot bed of back stabing, extortion and political posturing in fact that is how our nation has got to where it is at today. You have political parties that pander to 3rd world thinking because that is the majority and they want to be re-elected but the reality is there is a reason its called 3rd world thinking it leads to third world living conditions where the birth rate is out of control and the infrastructure can not handle the demand from the population explosion where more and more people are living off the system. The bottom line is people are going to have sex because that is how God designed our bodies, he designed our bodies to very much want sex around the age of 14-16 for most males at least and with a higher expectatoin in quality of life less people is pretty important in order to maintain the infrastructure so education is critical. I do believe that marriage is the ideal situation to have sex not becuase of children but because you can have a duel income and reduce your foot print and consume more with more disposable income which promotes economy but the fact remains that now days the educational requirements to make it put you anywhere from 18 to 22 or 23 do you really think people are going to be celibate for 7 years after they hit the God designed point in there life to have sex just because society has screwed everything up, I think it is crewl and sick to teach these kids that they should be abstaining because its not natural and not how God designed us, its not our kids fault that the cards are stacked against them why are we making it there problem. I also believe the reason for so much abortion is the lack of avalibilty of birth control or morning after pills, that stuff should be over the counter, I think any opponents to having that stuff be over the counter they should be left to raise the kids. I get sick of the churchs stance on kids and marraige, its like they are divorced from reality, I had one pastor of a church I used to go to say have more kids they arent that expensive for the cheezits they eat, this guy obvoiusly had a seriously warped view of reality, the state department estimated that the cost to raise a kid from birth to 18 was almost 200K (thats an air plane) and that did not count the cost of increasing college tuition plus the strain it puts on the couple, I would be curious to see a study done to see where divorce is more prevalent in couples without kids or couples with kids and I will not even get into family law and child support/alimony here. When you are a skilled educated individual and had to make sacrafices others did not have to make there is an expectation of a higher quality of life and when you are being extorted by the state through outragious child support more and more people are just deciding to hang it up because what is the point of working in engineering or medical field when your quality of life is just the same as if you worked odd jobs because there are so many hands in YOUR cookie jar. Our country is crumbling fast and I pray to God I am not in the wake when it happens. We are so consumed with what other people are doing in there bed rooms that no one is paying attention to all the coveting that is going on, everybody wants what others have and are willing to extort them to get it and the legal system allows it.

[Megaboomer]

i agree with carico
i think that sex education should be the responsibility of the family and legal guardians. and maybe the push for family's to teach themselves should be endorsed rather than in public schools.
the nations public schools have gone down hill alot since the 1950's and not just because of sexual education but it's funny that before sex ed the worst problem in schools was for example:

1950's
chewing gum and shooting spit wads

today is
rape, doing drugs, and school shootings.

i think this is a good site that shows some of the staggering differences that follow the introduction of sex ed and removal of the bible.
http://www.gospelcenterchurch.org/tencommandments.html

[Cathar1950]

i agree with carico
i think that sex education should be the responsibility of the family and legal guardians. and maybe the push for family's to teach themselves should be endorsed rather than in public schools.
the nations public schools have gone down hill alot since the 1950's and not just because of sexual education but it's funny that before sex ed the worst problem in schools was for example:

1950's
chewing gum and shooting spit wads

today is
rape, doing drugs, and school shootings.

i think this is a good site that shows some of the staggering differences that follow the introduction of sex ed and removal of the bible.
http://www.gospelcenterchurch.org/tencommandments.html

Sex education is not the cause any more then taking the Bible out of class rooms caused rape, doing drugs or school shootings.
Granted it may be more complex but it has nothing to do with the Bible or sex education and I would like to see you present some data that suggest any such connection.

[Goat]

i agree with carico
i think that sex education should be the responsibility of the family and legal guardians. and maybe the push for family's to teach themselves should be endorsed rather than in public schools.
the nations public schools have gone down hill alot since the 1950's and not just because of sexual education but it's funny that before sex ed the worst problem in schools was for example:

1950's
chewing gum and shooting spit wads

today is
rape, doing drugs, and school shootings.

i think this is a good site that shows some of the staggering differences that follow the introduction of sex ed and removal of the bible.
http://www.gospelcenterchurch.org/tencommandments.html

Hum. The 1950's is when they put 'God' in the pledge of allegance.

I Guess that is the cause of todays problems.

[Megaboomer]

Hum. The 1950's is when they put 'God' in the pledge of allegance.

I Guess that is the cause of todays problems.

well that would be a valid argument if there wasn't a whole lot more of God and scripture in the foundation of our country

[Goat]

Hum. The 1950's is when they put 'God' in the pledge of allegance.

I Guess that is the cause of todays problems.

well that would be a valid argument if there wasn't a whole lot more of God and scripture in the foundation of our country

I was being sarcastic.

Now, do you intend to actually back up your claims ever, or are you just going to make a list of unsupported claims? It is one thing to make a claim, it is another thing to actually back up the claim with something more than just a link to another web site without actually , well, discussing the contents.

Many web sites are not very scholarly, and they make all sorts of invalid claims about the evidence.

Let's see what YOU Can do.