Divine Insight wrote:
Actually I have already proven countless times over that the Biblical God cannot exist as it is described in the Bible because the Bible demands that its own God behaves in contradictory ways and has a contradictory character.
Theists actually agree with me on this.
Here, I believe you have overstated your case. It is more correct to say, “Some [t]heists actually agree with me on this�, as not all theists do agree with you. I, for one, (amongst many) do not agree with you and, therefore, the remainder of your waffle is irrelevant.
They too literally reject the Bible with the full understanding that it is indeed self-contradictory as it is written. So instead they argue for a non-Biblical God by demanding that instead of accepting what the Bible actually says they pretend that some "Holy Spirit" has secretly and supernaturally given then divine insight into meanings that are totally contradictory to what the bible literally says. And of course every theist has a totally different idea of what these alternative non-literal interpretations should be as well.
Moreover, the non-literal interpretations that the theists give always turn out to be self-contradictory apologies as well. Or they need to reduce their God to being as helpless and inept as mortal humans by using humans as an example of how they thing God should act. For example, God should be as bad of a parent as humans. For them this makes sense. God had to sacrifice Jesus in a similar manner to how human soldiers need to die in a war. What they fail to realize is that human soldiers die in wars precisely because humans aren't omnipotent and omniscient or wise enough to prevent wars in the first place. The very idea that the Biblical God has enemies that he needs to fight is already a gross contradictions of what an omnipotent omniscient God needs to be like. So the God of the Bible is inept by the Bible's own requirement. (Emphasis added)
Why, in your opinion, is this “a gross contradiction�? Whenever there is a position of great power and authority, there will always be those who wish to snatch it.
This is easy to understand once you realize that the God described in the Bible is a fabrication of inept humans who simply pushed their own inept characteristics onto their fictional God. After all this is a God who is jealous of other Gods. How silly is that in a monotheistic religion? Jealously is a human flaw to begin with anyway. And so is anger, wrath, and rage.(Emphasis added)
Here is a clear misstatement (straw man) as obviously, in a monotheistic universe, God is jealous of false gods, whom men worship. This jealousy is as defined -
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jealous -
5. Intolerant of disloyalty or infidelity; autocratic: a jealous god.� - (American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved)
God is intolerant of disloyalty because He alone is deserving of the worship which some were giving to false (fake) gods. While jealousy, anger, wrath and rage may be a human flaw, it is only so because with humans, who have limited knowledge of the facts of a situation, may be angry, etc, for false or wrong reason or unjustified. God is not limited in His knowledge and, therefore, His anger is directed correctly and just.
So there is no need to disprove the Biblical God.
The authors of the Bible have already done that for us. And, as I say, even the theists know this as even they need to literally reject the Bible in favor of pretending that it could have been written differently.
(Emphasis added)
Only if one deliberately or accidentally misinterprets what is written. This is usually done via several means such as, in the case of ‘deliberate’ - maliciousness or self-justification. By ‘accident’ - by not researching and confirming the meaning of the original language or by isolating single verses as opposed to looking at the entire ‘picture’ as revealed throughout the scriptures.
This thread isn't about disproving the Biblical God (An obviously man-made fictional God). This thread shows how no possible "eternal" God who has a conscious coherent mind can possibly exist. And the reason is simple. In order to have coherent consciousness it would require the property of entropy. But if it has entropy then it cannot be eternal.
So there you have it. You speak of a "God outside of Time", but you are failing to recognize what this would mean. A God that is outside of time could not have a coherent consciousness. So your premise that a meaningful conscious God could exist outside of time already requires that you violate this principle.
Why, again, does a “coherent consciousness�, (which simply means - being able to place together a positive thought process) require the “property of entropy�?
Finally, an intelligent creative God cannot serve as an explanation for the existence of intelligence. The idea that this would be a valid explanation is absurd. If intelligence is required before intelligence can be created then from whence did this God obtain his intelligent design?
Why cannot an intelligent creative God create intelligence? Is this thinking only due to your lack of understanding? Likewise, on the same point, as shown in every scientific experiment to examine it, life can only come from life. In a purely naturalistic world, where did life come from? Now you have shown no reason why something of infinite intelligence cannot create something of lesser intelligence. I believe it is just wishful thinking on your part.
The failure in this type of argument is that humans are used to a magician being a valid explanation for "magic". In other words, if we see a man pull a rabbit out of a hat we might think this is impossible. But as soon as we are told that this man is a "magician" we accept this as a valid explanation.
But why? Can magicians actually perform impossible magic? No of course not. The reason we accept the magician as a valid "explanation" is because we understand that no magic was actually done, but rather the magician knows slight-of-hand tricks and the art of illusion to make you think you are seeing things that are impossible. But they aren't truly impossible at all. They are perfectly within the rules of physics.
So now you want to claim that a "magical" God must be the explanation for the existence of a universe. Why? Because saying that a "magician did it", is a valid explanation. But actually it's not. You would then need to explain how the magician does what he does for it to be an actual explanation. And no theist has ever been able to do that.
In short:
An unexplained God is no explanation for anything.
The problem with your argument is that you try to restrict the God of the Bible to the limitations of our 4D Universe but He clearly is not. And just as the creation of our universe is beyond the ‘rules of physics’, so is the Creator God of the Bible. It is not magic, it is just beyond your capability to understand and replicate. In your so-called argument, you have made numerous claims as to what can and cannot be, yet without any supporting evidence or explanation. Thus being the reason it (you) have failed.
Have a good day!
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