Hell

[Mick]

I go back and forth between eternal conscious hell and conditional immortality (eventual annihilation). I would like to hear what verse(s) convince you of your belief in this matter. I can see both sides but, of course, both can't be true. What do you say?

I am new here and this is my first post so if you don't hear from me again it means I am lost and trying to find my way around.

God bless,
Mick

[evilsorcerer1]

I think God is the only spirit and all his creation is flesh. Only God can be spirit. I think when we die we all go into the ground and when everyone has Ben born and makes a choice (I don't know if we all kill each other first) but anyway in the end God will have to set everything on fire, break it down and recreate us. I think apparently he's going to have to reconstruct us who have been damned so that we are basically like before (living matter) except our molecules will somehow live in fire, lava. And the chosen will have to be broken down and rebuilt. I think when our bodies turn to dust we actually have to be recreated with exactly the same matter as before, but those that go on to life will probably get the same matter as before but much better added. I don't believe the Bible but I think things people say, wrong theories they have can be clues. I know when it says the devil and his angels will be thrown into the bottomless pit it was really us when we die we cease to exist and so will be resurrected to fire. I don't know if all of the sun's in the universe will suck all the planets up in the solar system and break them down and each person's matter will be molded to life or death or what. Maybe there are exactly the amount of solar systems as the total number of people that will ever exist. In other words it may be a complicated process.

[evilsorcerer1]

[Replying to post 6 by Mick]

People assume God loves us because we have actually blasphemed God and are living in darkness. I think that those who were sons of God had to be born from the lineage of a child of God and if they don't exist it's not even possible to be saved. When people say God they are probably referring to themselves. I wonder if the true children of God could even exist today because since we are only flesh them being touched by one of us could probably defile them and they' down be cursed for all eternity. Although I don't believe the Bible is the inspired word of God (for me to consider that fact someone would have to prove to me the whole thing was written by one person of ancient times) it states that the last days will be cut short for the sake of the elect. I think those days passed around Abraham's time and I think that meant if anymore people were on the Earth just the matter being blown around by the wind would defile them and curse them for eternity. In fact the Bible could only be true if it was completely symbolic after a certain point, like around 1000 years after creation.

[ttruscott]

I hope I got these quotes right...

Regarding man, the natural body comes first and the spiritual body comes second -- if at all:

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. (I Corinthians 15:46)

So there is no such thing as a "spirit person!"

Your conclusion does not follow unless you define person as only those with a body... The Spirits returned to Sheol after death (Psalm 9:17 The wicked shall return to Sheol ... Kiel - Delitzsch(#16): Yea, back to Hades must the wicked RETURN... do not have bodies as they are separated from their dead bodies and are not yet resurrected to a spirit body...

When they were sown into the world by the devil as servants of the evil one, from Sheol to which they will return, Matt 13:38, they got their first natural bodies long after their creation which came much earlier.

I Corinthians 15:46 indeed speaks of bodies but not of spirits or persons...

[Benoni]

"Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and “preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient�, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is eight souls were saved by water." (I Pet.3:18-20).

Jesus preached to the dead. He quicken or made live their spirits. What did he preach. What else "the good news"

Some say these were evil spirits. The word evil would have to be in the text and why would Jesus need to preach to an evil spirit???

Some say angel's. No mention of angels this is an assumption. Spirits are dead people.

[onewithhim]

Mick, what are your conclusions about "Hell," after having read all of the comments on this thread?