Did Jesus teach Jesus-worship?

[Elijah John]

As postroad demonstrates with these verses, Jesus according to the NT allowed people to worship him.

Matthew 2:11
On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God
Matthew 28:9
Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,� he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

Matthew 28:17
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

Luke 24:52
Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.


John 9:38
Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,� and he worshiped him.

But it seems that allowance was passive.

But did Jesus actively teach Jesus-worship? Did Jesus actually teach anyone to pray TO Jesus?

If I remember correctly, Jesus only taught people to worship the Father.

-The Lord's prayer in Matthew and Luke. (hallowed be thy name).
-Teaching the two great Laws of Love in the Sermon on the Mount, (love God and Neighbor with all your heart)

So, for debate,

-Did Jesus actively teach Jesus-worship?
-If he did not, then why wouldn't he, if Jesus was actually "God"?

[shnarkle]

As postroad demonstrates with these verses, Jesus according to the NT allowed people to worship him.

Matthew 2:11
On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.

Matthew 14:33
Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God
Matthew 28:9
Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,� he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.

Matthew 28:17
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.

Luke 24:52
Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.


John 9:38
Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,� and he worshiped him.

But it seems that allowance was passive.

But did Jesus actively teach Jesus-worship? Did Jesus actually teach anyone to pray TO Jesus?

If I remember correctly, Jesus only taught people to worship the Father.

-The Lord's prayer in Matthew and Luke. (hallowed be thy name).
-Teaching the two great Laws of Love in the Sermon on the Mount, (love God and Neighbor with all your heart)

So, for debate,

-Did Jesus actively teach Jesus-worship?
-If he did not, then why wouldn't he, if Jesus was actually "God"?

He didn't teach worship because he's not the type that needs or wants to be worshipped, at least in the traditional sense. For him, worship is best illustrated through serving others, seeing life as sacred, and not serving oneself. For him, manifesting God's will was a prayer itself, an act of worship.

[postroad]

[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

Well if God instructs angels to worship Jesus, I suppose humans should?

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.�

[postroad]

What, that's it?

[Elijah John]

What, that's it?

What can I say? Except perhaps where did you get that verse. I'm guessing the Book of Revelation?

Maybe I should rephrase the OP question, where did the "Pre-Easter" Jesus teach "Jesus worship", not the Risen Christ, not the Christ of Paul's vision, not the Christ of Revelation, not the "Christ of Faith" but the Historical Jesus, Yahshua of Nazareth, as best as we can know of him based on the Synoptics.

[postroad]

[Replying to post 5 by Elijah John]
Sorry about that.

Hebrews 1:6
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.�

Some scholars still believe that Paul wrote the book of Hebrews.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 5 by Elijah John]
Sorry about that.

Hebrews 1:6
And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.�

Some scholars still believe that Paul wrote the book of Hebrews.

No matter, it still does not indicate that Jesus himself actively taught "Jesus-worship". Notwithstanding the opinions of John, possibly Paul, or the author of Hebrews.

[postroad]

[Replying to post 7 by Elijah John]

But it does start to add up to evidence that Jesus's followers believed him to have a divine nature. Keep in consideration that Jesus indicated that more complete truth would only come with the Holy Spirit. You got to ride the train till the end of the tracks.

John 16:13
The Holy Spirit is coming. He will lead you into all truth. He will not speak His Own words. He will speak what He hears. He will tell you of things to come.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 7 by Elijah John]

But it does start to add up to evidence that Jesus's followers believed him to have a divine nature. Keep in consideration that Jesus indicated that more complete truth would only come with the Holy Spirit. You got to ride the train till the end of the tracks.

John 16:13
The Holy Spirit is coming. He will lead you into all truth. He will not speak His Own words. He will speak what He hears. He will tell you of things to come.

If Jesus is the "Alpha and the Omega"* then the train should have reached it's destination in the teachings of Jesus himself. Especially a teaching so important that Jesus was supposedly "God".

Also, if I'm not mistaken, most scholars now do not believe the author of John was the apostle John.

(* a phrase from the OT/Hebrew Bible meant to apply to YHVH, but lifted and twisted and misappropriated to Jesus in yet another act of stolen glorification)

[OnceConvinced]

For him, worship is best illustrated through serving others, seeing life as sacred, and not serving oneself. For him, manifesting God's will was a prayer itself, an act of worship.

I would agree that worship includes these things. It's not just about singing his praises. However didn't Jesus command everyone to serve others? To serve even Jesus himself? To give up everything and follow him? If so then yes, Jesus expected worship.