One cannot become one of Jehovah's Witnesses if one smoke tobacco. Do you think Christians should smoke?
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Do you think Christians should smoke
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Re: Do you think Christians should smoke
Post #2Peace to you JW,
I think it doesn't matter what I think.
It matters what Christ said. And He has reminded me of His words: it is not what goes into a man that makes him unclean. It is what comes OUT of that man that makes him unclean.
Peace to you and to your household,
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I think it doesn't matter what I think.
It matters what Christ said. And He has reminded me of His words: it is not what goes into a man that makes him unclean. It is what comes OUT of that man that makes him unclean.
Peace to you and to your household,
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Peace again to you JW, and it seems there is one thing more that I am to share with you from my Lord regarding this:
“The apostles and the elders, your brothers, to those brothers in Antioch, Syria, and Ci·liʹcia who are from the nations: Greetings!Since we have heard that some went out from among us and caused you trouble with what they have said, trying to subvert you, although we did not give them any instructions, we have come to a unanimous decision to choose men to send to you together with our beloved Barʹna·bas and Paul, men who have given up their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We are therefore sending Judas and Silas, so that they also may report the same things by word of mouth. For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!�
May those with ears, hear. May those who wish them be granted ears TO hear, to get a sense of this truth, and to hear the Spirit and the Bride say to YOU, "Come!" Let anyone who thirsts, "Come! Take the free gift of the water of Life!"
Peace to you and to your household,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
One cannot become one of Jehovah's Witnesses if one smoke tobacco.
“The apostles and the elders, your brothers, to those brothers in Antioch, Syria, and Ci·liʹcia who are from the nations: Greetings!Since we have heard that some went out from among us and caused you trouble with what they have said, trying to subvert you, although we did not give them any instructions, we have come to a unanimous decision to choose men to send to you together with our beloved Barʹna·bas and Paul, men who have given up their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. We are therefore sending Judas and Silas, so that they also may report the same things by word of mouth. For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!�
May those with ears, hear. May those who wish them be granted ears TO hear, to get a sense of this truth, and to hear the Spirit and the Bride say to YOU, "Come!" Let anyone who thirsts, "Come! Take the free gift of the water of Life!"
Peace to you and to your household,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
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[Replying to post 3 by tam]
So do you think you can be a Christian and be in a religion that doesn't approve of smoking?
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So do you think you can be a Christian and be in a religion that doesn't approve of smoking?
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 3 by tam]
So do you think you can be a Christian and be in a religion that doesn't approve of smoking?
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It is the men in charge of that religion who are the ones saying who can and cannot be a Christian: that one cannot be a Christian if one smokes tobacco.
I would ask by what right or authority do these men think to add burdens upon people that neither Christ nor the apostles added; thereby making it more difficult for people trying to come to Christ and to God.
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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What if one is a smoker and wants to quit? Can one then become a Jehovah's Witness?
If smoking is a sin (and the body a Temple), Jesus said he came to save sinners.
Do you agree with the hymn "Just as I Am"? Why wouldn't the "Lamb of God" bid "come" to smokers as well?
If smoking is a sin (and the body a Temple), Jesus said he came to save sinners.
Do you agree with the hymn "Just as I Am"? Why wouldn't the "Lamb of God" bid "come" to smokers as well?
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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If one sincerely wants to quit, one does. A person can be baptised after they do this.Elijah John wrote: What if one is a smoker and wants to quit? Can one then become a Jehovah's Witness?
If smoking is a sin (and the body a Temple), Jesus said he came to save sinners.
Yes, this is true.
Do you agree with the hymn "Just as I Am"?
I haven't heard it but if the sentiment is, I will continue to willfully do what God says he hates and you (God) will shut up and take it and not complain, then... no.
Why wouldn't the "Lamb of God" bid "come" to smokers as well?
He does, he says "come and quit smoking"... anyone that sincerely wants to serve God is welcomed to so so. If one wants to please God though, practising some sins (habitually continuing to do certain things Jehovah hates) is not acceptable for Christian living.
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"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681
"For if we live, we live to Jehovah, and if we die, we die to Jehovah. So both if we live and if we die, we belong to Jehovah" - Romans 14:8
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Post #9
Isn't that putting works ahead of Grace? What if a person thinks they will do better in their quest to give up smoking if they hang around a group of non-smokers such as Jehovah's Witnesses?JehovahsWitness wrote:If one sincerely wants to quit, one does. A person can be baptised after they do this.Elijah John wrote: What if one is a smoker and wants to quit? Can one then become a Jehovah's Witness?
If smoking is a sin (and the body a Temple), Jesus said he came to save sinners.
Yes, this is true.
Do you agree with the hymn "Just as I Am"?
I haven't heard it but if the sentiment is, I will continue to willfully do what God says he hates and you (God) will shut up and take it and not complain, then... no.
Why wouldn't the "Lamb of God" bid "come" to smokers as well?
He does, he says "come and quit smoking"... anyone that sincerely wants to serve God is welcomed to so so. If one wants to please God though, practising some sins (habitually continuing to do certain things Jehovah hates) is not acceptable for Christian living.
The way you paint it, you make it sound as though you have to be perfect to even join the Jehovah's Witnesses...many people come as they are in order to BE perfected...at least in other Christian circles.
In other words, folks often struggle with their addictions and by excluding those who struggle, one makes their struggle even harder.
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
Post #10
Again, as I said in the other thread: We are healed by God through faith. It isn't until we have repented and been baptised that the process begins. That means we have been accepted and we are part of the Christian community--sinners in hope of the healing that comes through faith.JehovahsWitness wrote:If one sincerely wants to quit, one does. A person can be baptised after they do this.Elijah John wrote: What if one is a smoker and wants to quit? Can one then become a Jehovah's Witness?
If smoking is a sin (and the body a Temple), Jesus said he came to save sinners.
Yes, this is true.
Do you agree with the hymn "Just as I Am"?
I haven't heard it but if the sentiment is, I will continue to willfully do what God says he hates and you (God) will shut up and take it and not complain, then... no.
Why wouldn't the "Lamb of God" bid "come" to smokers as well?
He does, he says "come and quit smoking"... anyone that sincerely wants to serve God is welcomed to so so. If one wants to please God though, practising some sins (habitually continuing to do certain things Jehovah hates) is not acceptable for Christian living.
I also want to note that Tam had an ironclad scriptural quote. Jesus also critisized the Pharisees for adding burdens and then not offering any help to help them.
You are talking of using censure and ostrasization (shunning, shaming) to insist that others stop sinning on their own. Had that been effective, Jesus would not have had to come to teach us how to live into faith. But that does not save us--even if we do manage to control our own sin, at least one sin, then we have gained nothing in faith by doing so.
