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While Bill Clinton was still governor of Arkansas, before I really even had a clear idea of who the Clinton's are, someone told me a particularly obscene Hillary Clinton joke. Why are people telling obscene jokes about this woman I am barely aware of, this woman who is after all the WIFE of a politician and not even (then) running for office herself, I wondered? That is the extent of the character assassination of Hillary Clinton that has been occurring for more than 30 years now. Why? Apparently because she has the audacity to have thoughts, ideas and opinions of her own. Clearly she is NOT the Republican ideal of what a woman and wife should be. Hillary Clinton is everything Republicans hate. An intelligent well educated AMBITIOUS woman. How dare she!

Here is a list of the various "offences" that Republicans have charged Hillary with over the years.

1. When she was first lady, she murdered White House lawyer Vince Foster and then dumped his body in a park.
2. She drove Vince Foster to commit suicide through her temper tantrums.
3. She was having an affair with Vince Foster.
4. She’s a lesbian.
5. Chelsea isn’t Bill Clinton’s child.
6. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up that she once bought a tract of undeveloped land in Arkansas and lost money.
7. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up her role in firing the White House travel department.
8. After she murdered Vince Foster, she ransacked his office in the middle of the night and stole all the documents proving her guilt.
9. When Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas, she was a partner in the state’s top law firm, and it sometimes did work involving the state government.
10. She once invested in commodities futures on the advice of a friend and made $100,000, proving she’s a crook.
11. She once invested in real estate on the advice of another friend and lost $100,000, also proving she’s a crook.
12. Unnamed and unverifiable sources have told Peggy Noonan things about the Clintons that are simply too terrible to repeat.
13. The personnel murdered at Benghazi make her the first secretary of state to lose overseas personnel to terrorism — apart from Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Madeleine Albright, George Schultz, Dean Rusk and some others.
14. Four State Department staff were murdered at Benghazi, compared with only 119 others murdered overseas under every secretary of state combined since World War II.
15. She illegally sent classified emails from her personal server, except that apparently they weren’t classified at the time.
16. She may have cynically wriggled around the email law by “technically� complying with it.
17. She once signed a lucrative book contract when she was a private citizen.
18. Donald Trump says she “should be in jail,� and he’s a serial bankrupt casino developer in Atlantic City, so he should know.
19. Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay says his “law-enforcement sources� tell him she is “about to be indicted� — and if a man once convicted of money laundering and conspiracy doesn’t have good law-enforcement sources, who does?
20. She’s a hard-left radical who wants to break up the nuclear family.
21. She’s a conservative “mousewife� who refused to break up her own family.
22. She’s in favor of single moms.
23. She refused to be a single mom.
24. When she was first lady of Arkansas, she pandered to conservative voters by dyeing her hair.
25. Before that, she totally insulted them by refusing to.
26. She’s a frump.
27. She spends too much money on designer dresses.
28. She has “cankles.�
29. She has a grating voice.
30. She yells into the microphone.
31. She spent 18 years in Arkansas and some of the people she knew turned out to be crazy rednecks and crooks.
32. She’s in the pay of the mafia.
33. She’s in the pay of the Chinese government.
34. She’s in the pay of the Wall Street banks.
35. In order to suppress the billing records from her time at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock, she cleverly packed them up and took them to the White House rather than shredding them.
36. When she handed over the documents to public officials, they couldn’t find any evidence she’d committed any crimes, so she must have doctored them.
37. Congress spent tens of millions of dollars and six years investigating her investment in the Whitewater real-estate project, and, while they didn’t actually find anything, they wouldn’t have spent all that money if there weren’t something there.
38. By cleverly hiding all evidence of her crimes in the Whitewater affair, she caused Congress to waste all that taxpayers’ money.
39. When she ran for senator of New York, she was still a fan of the Chicago Cubs.
40. She once said the Clintons were thinking of adopting a child, and they didn’t follow through.
41. She was photographed holding her hand near her mouth during the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
42. She’s got brain damage.
43. She’s old.
44. She’s really ambitious and calculating, unlike all the other people running for president.
45. She secretly supported Palestinian terrorists, Puerto Rican terrorists and Guatemalan terrorists.
46. She secretly supported a group that wants to give Maine back to the Indians.
47. She’s a secret follower of “radical prophet� Saul Alinsky.
48. She did her law degree at Yale, and it’s a well-known “socialist finishing school.�
49. When she was young, she did things to build up her résumé rather than just for their own good.
50. When Bill was president, she “allowed� him to keep people waiting.
51. She’s married to a sex addict.
52. She’s an enemy of traditional marriage.
53. She didn’t divorce her husband.
54. His philandering is her fault because she is too strong, and too weak, and too frumpy, and too fat, and too cold.
55. She’s hostile to women who fool around with her husband.
56. A divorced taxi driver in Florida told me that if Hillary is elected president, “women will take over everything.�
57. She insulted Tammy Wynette.
58. When they left the White House, she and Bill bought a big house in New York that they couldn’t afford.
59. She sometimes calls her staff during dinner, even when they’re out at a restaurant.
60. She claimed there was a “vast right-wing conspiracy� against her husband, and it turned out there was nothing but a bunch of tycoons financing private investigators, and some fake think tanks and books and news sites and stuff.
61. When she got married, she didn’t “stay at home and bake cookies.�
62. She supported the Iraq war because she’s a secret foreign-policy conservative.
63. She’s a secret foreign-policy radical with a plan to impose worldwide “radical social experimentation� through the World Bank.
64. She is secretly plotting to let children sue their parents for making them take out the garbage.
65. She looked bored during the Benghazi hearings.

And yet she is still still walking around free? In actual fact, she has never actually been charged with a crime, much less convicted of anything. One would think that anyone THIS evil would have been hung, beheaded, drawn and quartered by now.

What do the polls indicate that Hillary Clinton's biggest negative is? That she is "untrustworthy." Given all of the untrue and plainly mean spirited vilification that has been heaped on her over the years, the fact that she is still standing on the public stage says a lot about her character. Given the unprecedented level of bile thrown at her for years now, most people would have packed it in long ago.
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bluethread wrote:
Tired of the Nonsense wrote:
Does Yahu represent all Republicans? He represents the lunatic faction that is currently driving Republican politics and has provided us with that boy wonder Donald Trump.
This is nothing more than defamatory hyperbole. I do not recall Yahu ever claiming to represent "all Republicans", or anyone but himself for that matter. Also, the opinions of Yahu have nothing to do with the views of WinePusher. Maybe, if you could address the points actually made by WinePusher, you could make a better argument.
I would suggest to you that this represents a perfectly fine example of Republican hyperbole. As stated in my OP:


1. When she was first lady, she murdered White House lawyer Vince Foster and then dumped his body in a park.
2. She drove Vince Foster to commit suicide through her temper tantrums.
3. She was having an affair with Vince Foster.
4. She’s a lesbian.
5. Chelsea isn’t Bill Clinton’s child.
6. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up that she once bought a tract of undeveloped land in Arkansas and lost money.
7. She murdered Vince Foster to cover up her role in firing the White House travel department.
8. After she murdered Vince Foster, she ransacked his office in the middle of the night and stole all the documents proving her guilt.
9. When Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas, she was a partner in the state’s top law firm, and it sometimes did work involving the state government.
10. She once invested in commodities futures on the advice of a friend and made $100,000, proving she’s a crook.
11. She once invested in real estate on the advice of another friend and lost $100,000, also proving she’s a crook.
12. Unnamed and unverifiable sources have told Peggy Noonan things about the Clintons that are simply too terrible to repeat.
13. The personnel murdered at Benghazi make her the first secretary of state to lose overseas personnel to terrorism — apart from Condi Rice, Colin Powell, Madeleine Albright, George Schultz, Dean Rusk and some others.
14. Four State Department staff were murdered at Benghazi, compared with only 119 others murdered overseas under every secretary of state combined since World War II.
15. She illegally sent classified emails from her personal server, except that apparently they weren’t classified at the time.
16. She may have cynically wriggled around the email law by “technically� complying with it.
17. She once signed a lucrative book contract when she was a private citizen.
18. Donald Trump says she “should be in jail,� and he’s a serial bankrupt casino developer in Atlantic City, so he should know.
19. Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay says his “law-enforcement sources� tell him she is “about to be indicted� — and if a man once convicted of money laundering and conspiracy doesn’t have good law-enforcement sources, who does?
20. She’s a hard-left radical who wants to break up the nuclear family.
21. She’s a conservative “mousewife� who refused to break up her own family.
22. She’s in favor of single moms.
23. She refused to be a single mom.
24. When she was first lady of Arkansas, she pandered to conservative voters by dyeing her hair.
25. Before that, she totally insulted them by refusing to.
26. She’s a frump.
27. She spends too much money on designer dresses.
28. She has “cankles.�
29. She has a grating voice.
30. She yells into the microphone.
31. She spent 18 years in Arkansas and some of the people she knew turned out to be crazy rednecks and crooks.
32. She’s in the pay of the mafia.
33. She’s in the pay of the Chinese government.
34. She’s in the pay of the Wall Street banks.
35. In order to suppress the billing records from her time at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock, she cleverly packed them up and took them to the White House rather than shredding them.
36. When she handed over the documents to public officials, they couldn’t find any evidence she’d committed any crimes, so she must have doctored them.
37. Congress spent tens of millions of dollars and six years investigating her investment in the Whitewater real-estate project, and, while they didn’t actually find anything, they wouldn’t have spent all that money if there weren’t something there.
38. By cleverly hiding all evidence of her crimes in the Whitewater affair, she caused Congress to waste all that taxpayers’ money.
39. When she ran for senator of New York, she was still a fan of the Chicago Cubs.
40. She once said the Clintons were thinking of adopting a child, and they didn’t follow through.
41. She was photographed holding her hand near her mouth during the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
42. She’s got brain damage.
43. She’s old.
44. She’s really ambitious and calculating, unlike all the other people running for president.
45. She secretly supported Palestinian terrorists, Puerto Rican terrorists and Guatemalan terrorists.
46. She secretly supported a group that wants to give Maine back to the Indians.
47. She’s a secret follower of “radical prophet� Saul Alinsky.
48. She did her law degree at Yale, and it’s a well-known “socialist finishing school.�
49. When she was young, she did things to build up her résumé rather than just for their own good.
50. When Bill was president, she “allowed� him to keep people waiting.
51. She’s married to a sex addict.
52. She’s an enemy of traditional marriage.
53. She didn’t divorce her husband.
54. His philandering is her fault because she is too strong, and too weak, and too frumpy, and too fat, and too cold.
55. She’s hostile to women who fool around with her husband.
56. A divorced taxi driver in Florida told me that if Hillary is elected president, “women will take over everything.�
57. She insulted Tammy Wynette.
58. When they left the White House, she and Bill bought a big house in New York that they couldn’t afford.
59. She sometimes calls her staff during dinner, even when they’re out at a restaurant.
60. She claimed there was a “vast right-wing conspiracy� against her husband, and it turned out there was nothing but a bunch of tycoons financing private investigators, and some fake think tanks and books and news sites and stuff.
61. When she got married, she didn’t “stay at home and bake cookies.�
62. She supported the Iraq war because she’s a secret foreign-policy conservative.
63. She’s a secret foreign-policy radical with a plan to impose worldwide “radical social experimentation� through the World Bank.
64. She is secretly plotting to let children sue their parents for making them take out the garbage.
65. She looked bored during the Benghazi hearings.

hy·per·bo·le \hī-ˈpər-bə-(ˌ)lē\
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Simple Definition of hyperbole
: language that describes something as better or worse than it really is
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Re: Is Hillary Clinton "Untrustworthy?"

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Tired of the Nonsense wrote:
bluethread wrote:
Tired of the Nonsense wrote:
Does Yahu represent all Republicans? He represents the lunatic faction that is currently driving Republican politics and has provided us with that boy wonder Donald Trump.
This is nothing more than defamatory hyperbole. I do not recall Yahu ever claiming to represent "all Republicans", or anyone but himself for that matter. Also, the opinions of Yahu have nothing to do with the views of WinePusher. Maybe, if you could address the points actually made by WinePusher, you could make a better argument.
I would suggest to you that this represents a perfectly fine example of Republican hyperbole. As stated in my OP:
So, are you arguing that it is acceptable to use hyperbole in response to any post made by anyone in this thread? I would think that the best way to counter hyperbole would be to make rational arguments showing them to be exaggerations. Taking the views of one individual, attributing them to a general population and requiring another individual to justify them, does not seem to me to be the most reasonable approach.

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bluethread wrote:
Tired of the Nonsense wrote:
bluethread wrote:
Tired of the Nonsense wrote:
Does Yahu represent all Republicans? He represents the lunatic faction that is currently driving Republican politics and has provided us with that boy wonder Donald Trump.
This is nothing more than defamatory hyperbole. I do not recall Yahu ever claiming to represent "all Republicans", or anyone but himself for that matter. Also, the opinions of Yahu have nothing to do with the views of WinePusher. Maybe, if you could address the points actually made by WinePusher, you could make a better argument.
I would suggest to you that this represents a perfectly fine example of Republican hyperbole. As stated in my OP:
So, are you arguing that it is acceptable to use hyperbole in response to any post made by anyone in this thread? I would think that the best way to counter hyperbole would be to make rational arguments showing them to be exaggerations. Taking the views of one individual, attributing them to a general population and requiring another individual to justify them, does not seem to me to be the most reasonable approach.
I would say that any hyperbole that I might be reasonably be accused of pales in comparison to the relentless and insistent hyperbole that has been directed at Hillary Clinton for years now. Since long before she was even a candidate for anything. I based my "hyperbole" directed at the GOP on the daily news, and the fact that Republicans choose Donald Trump as their candidate for president. At this point, I am not sure there is anything I could even say that might actually be rise to the level of true hyperbole, when we consider the nature of the things Trump has chosen to publicly say himself, or the direction he has chosen to direct his campaign in. No witters of fiction, or comedic minds, could have come up with this stuff.
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WinePusher wrote:
Bust Nak wrote:
WinePusher wrote: Do you know who hates Hillary Clinton even more than the republicans? The progressives, the Bernie Sanders supporters, the socialists who see Clinton as a crony capitalist. So you can say that she is universally hated by a wide variety of different political groups.
Hating someone due to differing political view is one thing, hating someone due to her being a successful woman is quite another, even if one grants that the hate due to the former is stronger than the latter.
You have no way to justify this repugnant position though. If you think that the majority of republicans hate Clinton because she's 'successful' woman then please, provide some objective evidence for it...
I am just going by what you said, Tired of the Nonsense accused republicans for hating Clinton for being a successful woman; instead of countering that claim you chose to respond by pointing out the progressive hate her more. You walked right into it.

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Bust Nak wrote:
WinePusher wrote: Do you know who hates Hillary Clinton even more than the republicans? The progressives, the Bernie Sanders supporters, the socialists who see Clinton as a crony capitalist. So you can say that she is universally hated by a wide variety of different political groups.
Hating someone due to differing political view is one thing, hating someone due to her being a successful woman is quite another, even if one grants that the hate due to the former is stronger than the latter.
That's an absurd statement, it seems to me. Else the Repubicans would also hate Carly Firoena, Condolezza Rice, Sarah Palin, etc, etc.Who are all successful women.

Republicans don't like Hillary for her political views, fair game in the world of politics, wouldn't you say?

And for her questionable character.

Some of the stuff cited in OP are childish smears, but not representative of Republicans as a whole, just some loudmouths on the fringe.

Hillary is flawed enough in reality, without having to resort to childish smears about her.

To do so makes it all too easy to write off her critics as nuts, when there are very real reasons to oppose her.

Resorting to smears, on either side, diminishes one's credibility.
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-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
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-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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Elijah John wrote:
Bust Nak wrote:
WinePusher wrote: Do you know who hates Hillary Clinton even more than the republicans? The progressives, the Bernie Sanders supporters, the socialists who see Clinton as a crony capitalist. So you can say that she is universally hated by a wide variety of different political groups.
Hating someone due to differing political view is one thing, hating someone due to her being a successful woman is quite another, even if one grants that the hate due to the former is stronger than the latter.
That's an absurd statement, it seems to me. Else the Repubicans would also hate Carly Firoena, Condolezza Rice, Sarah Palin, etc, etc.Who are all successful women.

Republicans don't like Hillary for her political views, fair game in the world of politics, wouldn't you say?

And for her questionable character.

Some of the stuff cited in OP are childish smears, but not representative of Republicans as a whole, just some loudmouths on the fringe.

Hillary is flawed enough in reality, without having to resort to childish smears about her.

To do so makes it all too easy to write off her critics as nuts, when there are very real reasons to oppose her.

Resorting to smears, on either side, diminishes one's credibility.
Right wing Republican Christians have despised Hillary since before she was ever a candidate for anything. Why? Because she is an intelligent ambitious woman, and right wing Republican Christians despise intelligent ambitious women.

1Tim 2:
[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
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Tired of the Nonsense wrote:
Elijah John wrote:
Bust Nak wrote:
WinePusher wrote: Do you know who hates Hillary Clinton even more than the republicans? The progressives, the Bernie Sanders supporters, the socialists who see Clinton as a crony capitalist. So you can say that she is universally hated by a wide variety of different political groups.
Hating someone due to differing political view is one thing, hating someone due to her being a successful woman is quite another, even if one grants that the hate due to the former is stronger than the latter.
That's an absurd statement, it seems to me. Else the Repubicans would also hate Carly Firoena, Condolezza Rice, Sarah Palin, etc, etc.Who are all successful women.

Republicans don't like Hillary for her political views, fair game in the world of politics, wouldn't you say?

And for her questionable character.

Some of the stuff cited in OP are childish smears, but not representative of Republicans as a whole, just some loudmouths on the fringe.

Hillary is flawed enough in reality, without having to resort to childish smears about her.

To do so makes it all too easy to write off her critics as nuts, when there are very real reasons to oppose her.

Resorting to smears, on either side, diminishes one's credibility.
Right wing Republican Christians have despised Hillary since before she was ever a candidate for anything. Why? Because she is an intelligent ambitious woman, and right wing Republican Christians despise intelligent ambitious women.

1Tim 2:
[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
You're ignoring to the examples I have given that disprove that assertion, and falling back to your original unsupported assertion, it seems to me.

Not all, nor even most conservative Republicans are Bible literalists,. To claim such is the case is to perpetuate an unfounded assumption and stereotype.

To many of us Hillary is a schemer, an extremist, a panderer and an opportunist. And a dishonest one at that.

Gotta say though, she is intelligent, articulate, well educated and (mostly) polite and civil. I'll give her that. She even has a good sense of humor, one on one. Seems to have been a great mother too.

See, a "hater" would not even give here that much credit where credit is due. ;)
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-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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Elijah John wrote:
Tired of the Nonsense wrote:
Elijah John wrote:
Bust Nak wrote:
WinePusher wrote: Do you know who hates Hillary Clinton even more than the republicans? The progressives, the Bernie Sanders supporters, the socialists who see Clinton as a crony capitalist. So you can say that she is universally hated by a wide variety of different political groups.
Hating someone due to differing political view is one thing, hating someone due to her being a successful woman is quite another, even if one grants that the hate due to the former is stronger than the latter.
That's an absurd statement, it seems to me. Else the Repubicans would also hate Carly Firoena, Condolezza Rice, Sarah Palin, etc, etc.Who are all successful women.

Republicans don't like Hillary for her political views, fair game in the world of politics, wouldn't you say?

And for her questionable character.

Some of the stuff cited in OP are childish smears, but not representative of Republicans as a whole, just some loudmouths on the fringe.

Hillary is flawed enough in reality, without having to resort to childish smears about her.

To do so makes it all too easy to write off her critics as nuts, when there are very real reasons to oppose her.

Resorting to smears, on either side, diminishes one's credibility.
Right wing Republican Christians have despised Hillary since before she was ever a candidate for anything. Why? Because she is an intelligent ambitious woman, and right wing Republican Christians despise intelligent ambitious women.

1Tim 2:
[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
You're ignoring to the examples I have given that disprove that assertion, and falling back to your original unsupported assertion, it seems to me.

Not all, nor even most conservative Republicans are Bible literalists,. To claim such is the case is to perpetuate an unfounded assumption and stereotype.

To many of us Hillary is a schemer, an extremist, a panderer and an opportunist. And a dishonest one at that.

Gotta say though, she is intelligent, articulate, well educated and (mostly) polite and civil. I'll give her that. She even has a good sense of humor, one on one. Seems to have been a great mother too.

See, a "hater" would not even give here that much credit where credit is due. ;)
And yet she IS a woman. Are you ready to accept her authority over you as President of the United States. Or is even an orange buffoon preferable to a woman?
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Tired of the Nonsense wrote:
Elijah John wrote:
Tired of the Nonsense wrote:
Elijah John wrote:
Bust Nak wrote:
WinePusher wrote: Do you know who hates Hillary Clinton even more than the republicans? The progressives, the Bernie Sanders supporters, the socialists who see Clinton as a crony capitalist. So you can say that she is universally hated by a wide variety of different political groups.
Hating someone due to differing political view is one thing, hating someone due to her being a successful woman is quite another, even if one grants that the hate due to the former is stronger than the latter.
That's an absurd statement, it seems to me. Else the Repubicans would also hate Carly Firoena, Condolezza Rice, Sarah Palin, etc, etc.Who are all successful women.

Republicans don't like Hillary for her political views, fair game in the world of politics, wouldn't you say?

And for her questionable character.

Some of the stuff cited in OP are childish smears, but not representative of Republicans as a whole, just some loudmouths on the fringe.

Hillary is flawed enough in reality, without having to resort to childish smears about her.

To do so makes it all too easy to write off her critics as nuts, when there are very real reasons to oppose her.

Resorting to smears, on either side, diminishes one's credibility.
Right wing Republican Christians have despised Hillary since before she was ever a candidate for anything. Why? Because she is an intelligent ambitious woman, and right wing Republican Christians despise intelligent ambitious women.

1Tim 2:
[12] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
You're ignoring to the examples I have given that disprove that assertion, and falling back to your original unsupported assertion, it seems to me.

Not all, nor even most conservative Republicans are Bible literalists,. To claim such is the case is to perpetuate an unfounded assumption and stereotype.

To many of us Hillary is a schemer, an extremist, a panderer and an opportunist. And a dishonest one at that.

Gotta say though, she is intelligent, articulate, well educated and (mostly) polite and civil. I'll give her that. She even has a good sense of humor, one on one. Seems to have been a great mother too.

See, a "hater" would not even give here that much credit where credit is due. ;)
And yet she IS a woman. Are you ready to accept her authority over you as President of the United States. Or is even an orange buffoon preferable to a woman?
I understand your characterization of Trump, but think it's a bit superficial. That's kind of how I felt about him in the primaries.

But he has shown imporivement. And the contrast with Hillary makes him more appealing to right-leaning folks like me and (I would guess) other Independants.

No, I have no objections to having a woman president. Just not this here particular woman.

Condi Rice, Carly Fiorena over Trump? Over Hillary?

In a heartbeat!

So please don't play that card with me...it won't work.
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Re: Is Hillary Clinton "Untrustworthy?"

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Elijah John wrote: To many of us Hillary is a schemer, an extremist, a panderer and an opportunist. And a dishonest one at that.
And Trump isn't?

This is the part I have problems with. Trump supporters seem to think that Trump is some sort of angel who can do no wrong. Where do they get that impression?
Elijah John wrote: Gotta say though, she is intelligent, articulate, well educated and (mostly) polite and civil. I'll give her that. She even has a good sense of humor, one on one. Seems to have been a great mother too.
Exactly. Everyone who obtain a power as great as being the president of the most powerful country on earth is necessarily going to need to be diplomatic.

You've just confirmed the Hillary is indeed a very good diplomat.

Compare this with Trump who is clearly offensive, uneducated, inarticulate, and crude. Even if he had good intentions his failure at diplomacy could prove to be disastrous on the world stage anyway.

The future of the world and the solution to our problems must be a diplomatic solution. And Hillary is clearly the better candidate for that job in this election cycle. (given just these two candidates to choose from)

Even ISIS must be defeated diplomatically, not militarily. And by this I don't mean that we need to have diplomatic talks with the leaders of ISIS. That is not even open for discussion. What I mean by a diplomatic solution is to work with other nations, especially Arab nations and with "Reasonable Islamic Leaders from the religious world" to work against ISIS in terms of publicly disapproving their behavior and renouncing it as being representative of Islam.

We also need to work "diplomatically" through the Internet to convince young people that ISIS is not a rational choice.

Hillary is a far better choice for this task.

Trump has already outlined his approach and that is to "Crush ISIS Quickly".

How does he intend to do that? Using brute force of military only? And if so, is he then going to send large numbers of U.S. soldiers over to Syria to conduct this war?

And after he has "Crushed ISIS", is he then going to KEEP U.S. forces over there to rebuild those nations? Did he already claim that he's against nation-building?

His claims to do things just aren't making any sense. Does he have any actual PLANS? Or is he just spewing hot air in an attempt to get votes?

He claims he's going to do all these impossible things yet he has no plans to speak of.

He's going to bring jobs back to "Coal Miners" in states like Pennsylvania, when the coal companies no longer need human laborers to mind coal. How's that going to work?

He claim he's going to crush ISIS instantly, but not hang around in the vacuum created by that to conduct "nation building". How's that going to work?

And he's going to do all of this whilst building a WALL between the USA and Mexico that Mexico made clear they aren't going to pay for. And deporting millions of illegal criminal immigrants out of the country in his first HOUR in office.

Where's the plan? How's he going to do these things?

And let's not forget about banning Muslims from coming into the USA. He even said that he wants to deport any Muslims who believe in Sharia Law. How's he going to determine who they are? Is he going to start deporting Muslims on the mere suspicion that they might be supportive of Sharia Law.

And what about making black neighborhoods safe so black people don't need to worry about getting shot walking around in their own neighborhoods. What's his plan there? Is he going to send in a special "task force" to round up all the suspicious blacks and toss them all in jail in an effort to make black neighborhoods safe?

I'll bet the black people are just going to LOVE him for that.

Where is his detailed plan on how he hopes to accomplish any of these things?

All he's been doing is making unrealistic promises that would be impossible to actually implement without creating a state of "Marshal Law" where he just sends in special units to round up any suspicious looking characters.

And even Marshal Law, won't help his promises to the coal miners. Even Marshal Law can't force modern day coal companies to toss out their robots and automated coal machinery and start issuing hand-shovels to coal miners. Those days are gone forever.
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