Muslims and Israelites killing people

[agnosticatheist]

1. Christians, do you find the killings carried out by muslims to be horrifying and disgusting?

2. Do you find the killings carried out by the israelites to be horrifying and disgusting?

[Elijah John]

1. Christians, do you find the killings carried out by muslims to be horrifying and disgusting?

2. Do you find the killings carried out by the israelites to be horrifying and disgusting?

You are drawing a false moral equivlancy, imo. Not sure where you live, but what would you do if another country or group, aimed weapons at your civilian population centers, and/or "soft targets".

Israelis seldom if ever strap on suicide belts, and blow themselves up with the thought of taking as many innocent by-standers as possible to the grave with them.

And when and if Israeli citizens do murder civilians, they are punished for it with the full weight of the law.

Palestinian "martyrs", on the other hand, are celebrated for murdering Israeli civilians.

Also, I think you err when (if?) you imply the Arab-Israeli conflicts is religous in nature. It is not.

It is political. It is not "Islam against Judaism". On the contrary, Islam and Judaism have much in common, theololigically, as well as in practical matters.

Historically, Muslim countries have protected Jews from the Christian Inquisiton....

Today, Jews shop in Muslim "Halal" shops, and Muslims shop in Jewish "Kosher" shops.

Granted "holy war" is inexcusable between religions that both teach "love of God and love of neighbor"

That that is not what this is. Except maybe from radical, Jihadist, terrorists like Al-Qaida, or ISIS.

[catnip]

1. Christians, do you find the killings carried out by muslims to be horrifying and disgusting?

2. Do you find the killings carried out by the israelites to be horrifying and disgusting?

For the record, I believe that Jesus taught us in the Beatitudes that we are to be the peacekeepers. I see this as a call to us to arbitrate peace between factions and never participate.

No, we are not supposed to kill or do harm to others created in God's image--"if you say you love God whom you have not seen, but hate your brother whom you have seen, you are a liar!" This actually comes down to us through the Jewish faith and so it is rather convenient and commonly done to lay it aside, proclaim our enemies and kill them in the name of God. Nothing could do more harm to our religion and its reputation.

All three Abrahamic religions are centered on the Peace of God. In theory.

Shalom aleikhem (English pronunciation: /ʃaˈlɔm aˈlexɛm/, Hebrew: שָ�לוֹ� עֲלֵיכֶ�‎‎ sh�lôm ʻalêḵem, Yiddish: שלו�־עליכ�‎ sholem aleykhem) is a spoken greeting in Hebrew, meaning "peace be upon you." The appropriate response is aleikhem shalom ("unto you peace").

[Elijah John]

1. Christians, do you find the killings carried out by muslims to be horrifying and disgusting?

2. Do you find the killings carried out by the israelites to be horrifying and disgusting?

For the record, I believe that Jesus taught us in the Beatitudes that we are to be the peacekeepers. I see this as a call to us to arbitrate peace between factions and never participate.

No, we are not supposed to kill or do harm to others created in God's image--"if you say you love God whom you have not seen, but hate your brother whom you have seen, you are a liar!" This actually comes down to us through the Jewish faith and so it is rather convenient and commonly done to lay it aside, proclaim our enemies and kill them in the name of God. Nothing could do more harm to our religion and its reputation.

All three Abrahamic religions are centered on the Peace of God. In theory.

Shalom aleikhem (English pronunciation: /ʃaˈlɔm aˈlexɛm/, Hebrew: שָ�לוֹ� עֲלֵיכֶ�‎‎ sh�lôm ʻalêḵem, Yiddish: שלו�־עליכ�‎ sholem aleykhem) is a spoken greeting in Hebrew, meaning "peace be upon you." The appropriate response is aleikhem shalom ("unto you peace").

And of course, there is the Arabic equivelent. " Salaam alekium" (sp?) and "Alekum Salaam" .."Peace be upon you. and upon you peace"

Also, both religions teach that to "save a single life is like saving the whole world, and to take a single life is like killing the whole world".

[agnosticatheist]

1. Christians, do you find the killings carried out by muslims to be horrifying and disgusting?

2. Do you find the killings carried out by the israelites to be horrifying and disgusting?

You are drawing a false moral equivlancy, imo. Not sure where you live, but what would you do if another country or group, aimed weapons at your civilian population centers, and/or "soft targets".

Israelis seldom if ever strap on suicide belts, and blow themselves up with the thought of taking as many innocent by-standers as possible to the grave with them.

And when and if Israeli citizens do murder civilians, they are punished for it with the full weight of the law.

Palestinian "martyrs", on the other hand, are celebrated for murdering Israeli civilians.

Also, I think you err when (if?) you imply the Arab-Israeli conflicts is religous in nature. It is not.

It is political. It is not "Islam against Judaism". On the contrary, Islam and Judaism have much in common, theololigically, as well as in practical matters.

Historically, Muslim countries have protected Jews from the Christian Inquisiton....

Today, Jews shop in Muslim "Halal" shops, and Muslims shop in Jewish "Kosher" shops.

Granted "holy war" is inexcusable between religions that both teach "love of God and love of neighbor"

That that is not what this is. Except maybe from radical, Jihadist, terrorists like Al-Qaida, or ISIS.

I would defend myself. BUT, the israelites INVADED canaan.

Im talking about radical, jihadist, terrorists. Lol

The bible says God told them to kill the canaanites. Either God actually told them that, or the bible is presenting false information. Either way, we have a problem.

[catnip]

1. Christians, do you find the killings carried out by muslims to be horrifying and disgusting?

2. Do you find the killings carried out by the israelites to be horrifying and disgusting?

For the record, I believe that Jesus taught us in the Beatitudes that we are to be the peacekeepers. I see this as a call to us to arbitrate peace between factions and never participate.

No, we are not supposed to kill or do harm to others created in God's image--"if you say you love God whom you have not seen, but hate your brother whom you have seen, you are a liar!" This actually comes down to us through the Jewish faith and so it is rather convenient and commonly done to lay it aside, proclaim our enemies and kill them in the name of God. Nothing could do more harm to our religion and its reputation.

All three Abrahamic religions are centered on the Peace of God. In theory.

Shalom aleikhem (English pronunciation: /ʃaˈlɔm aˈlexɛm/, Hebrew: שָ�לוֹ� עֲלֵיכֶ�‎‎ sh�lôm ʻalêḵem, Yiddish: שלו�־עליכ�‎ sholem aleykhem) is a spoken greeting in Hebrew, meaning "peace be upon you." The appropriate response is aleikhem shalom ("unto you peace").

And of course, there is the Arabic equivelent. " Salaam alekium" (sp?) and "Alekum Salaam" .."Peace be upon you. and upon you peace"

Also, both religions teach that to "save a single life is like saving the whole world, and to take a single life is like killing the whole world".

Thank you for providing the Islamic greeting. I forgot to, but I consider it to be very important here. These are foundational to all three faiths, the hope of the faithful is the Peace which passes understanding.

And especially that quote from Hillel the Elder! Beautiful! Precious!

Peace be upon you.

[catnip]

1. Christians, do you find the killings carried out by muslims to be horrifying and disgusting?

2. Do you find the killings carried out by the israelites to be horrifying and disgusting?

You are drawing a false moral equivlancy, imo. Not sure where you live, but what would you do if another country or group, aimed weapons at your civilian population centers, and/or "soft targets".

Israelis seldom if ever strap on suicide belts, and blow themselves up with the thought of taking as many innocent by-standers as possible to the grave with them.

And when and if Israeli citizens do murder civilians, they are punished for it with the full weight of the law.

Palestinian "martyrs", on the other hand, are celebrated for murdering Israeli civilians.

Also, I think you err when (if?) you imply the Arab-Israeli conflicts is religous in nature. It is not.

It is political. It is not "Islam against Judaism". On the contrary, Islam and Judaism have much in common, theololigically, as well as in practical matters.

Historically, Muslim countries have protected Jews from the Christian Inquisiton....

Today, Jews shop in Muslim "Halal" shops, and Muslims shop in Jewish "Kosher" shops.

Granted "holy war" is inexcusable between religions that both teach "love of God and love of neighbor"

That that is not what this is. Except maybe from radical, Jihadist, terrorists like Al-Qaida, or ISIS.

I would defend myself. BUT, the israelites INVADED canaan.

Im talking about radical, jihadist, terrorists. Lol

The bible says God told them to kill the canaanites. Either God actually told them that, or the bible is presenting false information. Either way, we have a problem.

Again and again: The Jews very honestly kept all their ancient scriptures but wrote volumes to explain them. We Christians do not have that guidance. Ours is the New Testament and that is what guides our faith. We kept the Old Testament as historical information on the development of faith in our God--but we believed that the coming of the light into the world (where all men dwelt in darkness) was with the coming of Jesus Christ. In short, what I am telling you here is that it was the promise of what was to come that is what Christians hang their hats on. (Unitl the Evangelicals came and declared all books of the Bible equal--though not all of us agree with them. lol)

[historia]

You are drawing a false moral equivlancy, imo. Not sure where you live, but what would you do if another country or group, aimed weapons at your civilian population centers, and/or "soft targets".

Israelis seldom if ever strap on suicide belts, and blow themselves up with the thought of taking as many innocent by-standers as possible to the grave with them.

I believe the comparison agnosticatheist is trying to draw in the OP is not between jihadists and modern Israelis, but rather between jihadists and ancient Israelites.

[Tired of the Nonsense]

1. Christians, do you find the killings carried out by muslims to be horrifying and disgusting?

2. Do you find the killings carried out by the israelites to be horrifying and disgusting?

Christians are responsible for their own share of mass killing and wholesale slaughter. And Hindus and Buddhists have also been guilty of mass killing and wholesale slaughter over the years as well. Every religion portrays itself as not only peaceful and benign, but essential to becoming and being a good person. And every religion has it's own dark history of horrifying and disgustingly violent actions taken by it's adherents in the name of that religion. Ancient superstitions engender violent passions. In the modern world with weapons of mass destruction, there is nothing peaceful and benign about mass killing and wholesale slaughter in the name of ancient superstition. Ignorance is the enemy.

[agnosticatheist]

1. Christians, do you find the killings carried out by muslims to be horrifying and disgusting?

2. Do you find the killings carried out by the israelites to be horrifying and disgusting?

You are drawing a false moral equivlancy, imo. Not sure where you live, but what would you do if another country or group, aimed weapons at your civilian population centers, and/or "soft targets".

Israelis seldom if ever strap on suicide belts, and blow themselves up with the thought of taking as many innocent by-standers as possible to the grave with them.

And when and if Israeli citizens do murder civilians, they are punished for it with the full weight of the law.

Palestinian "martyrs", on the other hand, are celebrated for murdering Israeli civilians.

Also, I think you err when (if?) you imply the Arab-Israeli conflicts is religous in nature. It is not.

It is political. It is not "Islam against Judaism". On the contrary, Islam and Judaism have much in common, theololigically, as well as in practical matters.

Historically, Muslim countries have protected Jews from the Christian Inquisiton....

Today, Jews shop in Muslim "Halal" shops, and Muslims shop in Jewish "Kosher" shops.

Granted "holy war" is inexcusable between religions that both teach "love of God and love of neighbor"

That that is not what this is. Except maybe from radical, Jihadist, terrorists like Al-Qaida, or ISIS.

I would defend myself. BUT, the israelites INVADED canaan.

Im talking about radical, jihadist, terrorists. Lol

The bible says God told them to kill the canaanites. Either God actually told them that, or the bible is presenting false information. Either way, we have a problem.

Again and again: The Jews very honestly kept all their ancient scriptures but wrote volumes to explain them. We Christians do not have that guidance. Ours is the New Testament and that is what guides our faith. We kept the Old Testament as historical information on the development of faith in our God--but we believed that the coming of the light into the world (where all men dwelt in darkness) was with the coming of Jesus Christ. In short, what I am telling you here is that it was the promise of what was to come that is what Christians hang their hats on. (Unitl the Evangelicals came and declared all books of the Bible equal--though not all of us agree with them. lol)

The spiritual entity who commanded the isrealites to kill the canaanites is the same spiritual entity you worship.