Why do you believe in Creationism or Evolution?

[emmy27sf]

so why do u believe in evolution or creationism???

[dangerdan]

What about you 2 and 92? Does God talk to you?

[2 and 92]

What about you 2 and 92? Does God talk to you?

As in:

God: *ding* 2 and 92 this is God, build a boat.

2 and 92: Why?

God: *ding* Let me put it this way… How well can you tread water?

Then the answer would be no. Do I feel pulled in some directions that I would normally not take? Sometimes, yes. Is this God? Maybe sometimes, sometimes it may have been that pizza I had the night before. Who can say?

[chrispalasz]

Yeah yeah... everyone that believes in evolution uses the scientific "it uses observable data" rebuttle.

Ridiculous. Let's get past this. Of COURSE God isn't defined by science. God CREATED science. Does evolution effect God? Does gravity effect God? Does entropy effect God? No, no and no. God created everything. You want observable evidence of God? Look around you. Done.

Many evolutionists think that we are learning more about the truth of the world so we don't need to use God as an excuse.

God isn't an excuse to explain questions that need answering. God is the explanation of questions that need answering because He exists.

Scientists are always re-adjusting their theories. Why waste time? God exists. Let's search for His existance and learn more about Him by starting with that information and basing research around it.


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[perfessor]

Gosh, I don't know where to begin. For the moment, I'll start with this one:

Scientists are always re-adjusting their theories. Why waste time? God exists. Let's search for His existance and learn more about Him by starting with that information and basing research around it.

Please realize, GreenLight, that if we had followed your advice, we would have no penicillin, no cars or airplanes, no printing presses, flush toilets, ball-point pens, I could go on forever. We would be teaching our kids about a geocentric solar system while the rest of the world, the civilized part, laughed at us.

It is the very nature of science to "readjust their theories". That's how we learn. That's how we grow. Intellectual curiosity is a good thing.

[chrispalasz]

Hmmm... well that's not quite what I was saying.

I wasn't saying ignore science and make things up because we know there is a God (which is where the geocentric solar system, 4 Elements theory... and many others have come from). We can use science to our advantage by coming to an understanding of how He put it all together.

There is no basis for the assertion that no modern technology would exist for a Christian-centered civilization. That is 100% speculation that I disagree with.

But on another note, if that were true, for discussion's sake, who cares? We aren't held accountable for the technology we develop on this earth. That's not even the purpose for life. So what... boo hoo, people will laugh. I feel sorry for a people that would laugh because they were so busy inventing new technology that they failed to know the Creator.

It is the very nature of science to "readjust their theories". That's how we learn. That's how we grow. Intellectual curiosity is a good thing.

This is all true. However, this is my point. For my sake, let's pretend that you KNEW that there is one God. With that knowledge, would you agree that you could drastically narrow your scientific focus to the point of being several percentages more efficient in your discoveries?

I am saying that if everyone knew that, we would be able to focus on what matters and there would be a much greater efficiency.

[Jose]

I wasn't saying ignore science and make things up because we know there is a God (which is where the geocentric solar system, 4 Elements theory... and many others have come from). We can use science to our advantage by coming to an understanding of how He put it all together.

Is there a reason to stop at the geocentric solar system and 4 Elements? Why not go on and list "special creation"? Well, suppose we do use science to our advantage, and try to learn how God put it all together by studying His Creation directly? When we do this, we learn a lot of interesting things. Eventually, we see interesting patterns in what we've discovered in God's Book of the World. These interesting patterns turn out to be explainable by the theory of evolution. This makes it sound like God put those clues in the world specifically to lead us to this realilzation.

But on another note, if that were true, for discussion's sake, who cares? We aren't held accountable for the technology we develop on this earth. That's not even the purpose for life. So what... boo hoo, people will laugh. I feel sorry for a people that would laugh because they were so busy inventing new technology that they failed to know the Creator.

What if we turn it around, and suppose, just for discussion's sake, that the Bible really was written by humans, as the assembled wisdom and mythology of their tribe. They thought up the idea of God because there were too many things they couldn't otherwise explain. Now, if this is all a myth (as we say the world's hundreds of other religions are), what should we make of people who are so busy following The Book that they fail to think about the future of the earth? The Book says that God will provide for us, and that all of the plants and animals are here for us to use. What happens when we use them up, and God doesn't provide? We're dangerously close to this point now--for example, with 70% of the world's economically-important fish stocks declining, and some almost fully depleted. I think we're far better off with everyone living as if there is no god and no afterlife, so that we will be forced to take responsibility for our actions and try our hardest to make this world livable for our grandchildren.

For my sake, let's pretend that you KNEW that there is one God. With that knowledge, would you agree that you could drastically narrow your scientific focus to the point of being several percentages more efficient in your discoveries?

I am saying that if everyone knew that, we would be able to focus on what matters and there would be a much greater efficiency.

But if there isn't really a God, and just the story of one, then what? Then perfessors' discoveries become really important. A few percentages more efficient might make a big difference to the success or failure of our species adapting to Global Warming, or the eventual depletion of resources. If everyone knew that, we would be able to focus on what really matters. That is: what really matters? I think we need the theologians for spiritual guidance, and the scientists for practical investigations into how to survive in the here and now.

[chrispalasz]

But if there isn't really a God, and just the story of one, then what? Then perfessors' discoveries become really important. A few percentages more efficient might make a big difference to the success or failure of our species adapting to Global Warming, or the eventual depletion of resources. If everyone knew that, we would be able to focus on what really matters. That is: what really matters? I think we need the theologians for spiritual guidance, and the scientists for practical investigations into how to survive in the here and now.

I understand your point, and it is based off of the "we don't know". The fact of the matter is simply that "some of us don't know." And maybe the people that I include in the "some of us" should take the extra two seconds to sincerely pray and ask Jesus to forgive their sins and to recieve the Holy Spirit in order that God may reveal himself to them.

If it were possible for everyone to get past their selfish hard-hearted beliefs and do this... there wouldn't be a debate here.

[ENIGMA]

Hmmm... well that's not quite what I was saying.

I wasn't saying ignore science and make things up because we know there is a God (which is where the geocentric solar system, 4 Elements theory... and many others have come from). We can use science to our advantage by coming to an understanding of how He put it all together.

Too much presumption... Too little basis.... Just like those who posited the theories that you denigrate. Fascinating.

There is no basis for the assertion that no modern technology would exist for a Christian-centered civilization. That is 100% speculation that I disagree with.

Christianity had roughly a millenium of nearly unchallenged hegemony over Europe with the net result being that a major civilization collapsed, many smaller cultures were displaced if not eradicated, and scientific discoveries ground to almost a screeching halt since people who are too busy trying to survive and avoid being executed/tortured for heresy tend not to have much time or inclination for such things.

We have developed more technology and discovered more about the universe in which we reside in the last two decades than was discovered in that millenium. Does that not indicate something?

But on another note, if that were true, for discussion's sake, who cares? We aren't held accountable for the technology we develop on this earth. That's not even the purpose for life. So what... boo hoo, people will laugh. I feel sorry for a people that would laugh because they were so busy inventing new technology that they failed to know the Creator.

Yes, a millenia of that rationale got us the Dark Ages. Thank goodness at least some of us can learn from history...

It is the very nature of science to "readjust their theories". That's how we learn. That's how we grow. Intellectual curiosity is a good thing.

This is all true. However, this is my point. For my sake, let's pretend that you KNEW that there is one God. With that knowledge, would you agree that you could drastically narrow your scientific focus to the point of being several percentages more efficient in your discoveries?

I am saying that if everyone knew that, we would be able to focus on what matters and there would be a much greater efficiency.[/quote]

If that is the case, then you should have no trouble devising a new line of research based on Creationism. Oddly enough, for all the Creationist organizations out there none of them have a viable set of experiments for research. One must wonder how they spend their "research" budget...

[ENIGMA]

I understand your point, and it is based off of the "we don't know". The fact of the matter is simply that "some of us don't know." And maybe the people that I include in the "some of us" should take the extra two seconds to sincerely pray and ask Jesus to forgive their sins and to recieve the Holy Spirit in order that God may reveal himself to them.

Some of us do understand and acknowledge that we don't know about the fundamental foundations of the universe, while others in their presumption claim to have such knowledge without giving justification. Who is the more foolish?

If it were possible for everyone to get past their selfish hard-hearted beliefs and do this... there wouldn't be a debate here.

Funny how such a task is reserved for all except those who propose it.

[Lucifer]

How do you know that science was created by God? So that we could use it to defy him? Evidence and findings from science seem to suggest so. (ie, evolution, other fields in biology, geosciences, physics, etc.). Science is the idea that we use observations to obtain information. Why does it require a supernatural being to tell us that we need to see these things? If you meant the natural universe, then he must be playing some sort of joke on us.