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I have excellent health and a long way to go yet before I jump of this mortal coil. :|
But I am going to finish my own life when or if my life is no longer enjoyable, no longer worth living and when I know it will never get better. For instance chronic pain and knowing it will get worse with no hope of relief from drugs. This can happen at any time in life so I have already thought of it. [Yes, I know I’m weird]

I am an atheist so my logic tells me that death itself is O.K. [but not necessarily getting there] I was not here for millions of years before I was born and I was fine with that. It was a breeze!

A point I should mention here is the means used to ‘end it all’ I will keep that to myself for obvious reasons but it will be painless and 100% successful. [Not jumping under a train because I am a coward and also someone has to clear all the mess up]

So to the point and I would like your views on it. What about our love ones. Some say it’s selfish to take your own life because of what you do to them. I say it’s selfish of them if they don’t let you go if you are suffering.
Me being me I have already cleared it with my family [all atheists] so I am good to go. :)

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Suzy wrote: I have excellent health and a long way to go yet before I jump of this mortal coil. :|
But I am going to finish my own life when or if my life is no longer enjoyable, no longer worth living and when I know it will never get better. For instance chronic pain and knowing it will get worse with no hope of relief from drugs. This can happen at any time in life so I have already thought of it. [Yes, I know I’m weird]

I am an atheist so my logic tells me that death itself is O.K. [but not necessarily getting there] I was not here for millions of years before I was born and I was fine with that. It was a breeze!

A point I should mention here is the means used to ‘end it all’ I will keep that to myself for obvious reasons but it will be painless and 100% successful. [Not jumping under a train because I am a coward and also someone has to clear all the mess up]

So to the point and I would like your views on it. What about our love ones. Some say it’s selfish to take your own life because of what you do to them. I say it’s selfish of them if they don’t let you go if you are suffering.
Me being me I have already cleared it with my family [all atheists] so I am good to go. :)


I'm with you. Like you, I was dead for 13 billion years and it didn't seem to bother me so why should I be afraid of being dead again? I definitely want to go before anybody has to change my diaper thank you very much! The only true natural right a person has is the right to say "no mas" to life and I plan to exercise that right when the time comes.
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Suzy wrote: I have excellent health and a long way to go yet before I jump of this mortal coil. :|
But I am going to finish my own life when or if my life is no longer enjoyable, no longer worth living and when I know it will never get better. For instance chronic pain and knowing it will get worse with no hope of relief from drugs. This can happen at any time in life so I have already thought of it. [Yes, I know I’m weird]

I am an atheist so my logic tells me that death itself is O.K. [but not necessarily getting there] I was not here for millions of years before I was born and I was fine with that. It was a breeze!

A point I should mention here is the means used to ‘end it all’ I will keep that to myself for obvious reasons but it will be painless and 100% successful. [Not jumping under a train because I am a coward and also someone has to clear all the mess up]

So to the point and I would like your views on it. What about our love ones. Some say it’s selfish to take your own life because of what you do to them. I say it’s selfish of them if they don’t let you go if you are suffering.
Me being me I have already cleared it with my family [all atheists] so I am good to go. :)



I couldn't have said it better myself. Personally, I have many health issues, so I doubt it will be too many years before I opt out. My only regret is that the act is so looked down upon by society. It shouldn't be. On one hand, I'd like to see an organization work towards changing societies views on suicide, but on the other hand, I don't want to see people with very little experience in life and its ups and downs settle the issue "too quickly" for themselves when if they just stuck it out a bit more they'd have plenty of more good times than they have now. (Just finished teaching Romeo and Juliet, so.....)

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I do follow the Epicurean ideology within the framework of being an atheist.
So you go on being held back from enjoying all the pleasures that life has to offer because your God says you cant do this or that and I will indulge myself in all of life’s pleasures!
Perhaps, then, you should join me in the Philosophy -> Epicureanism thread. ;)

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"I have excellent health and a long way to go yet before I jump of this mortal coil.
But I am going to finish my own life when or if my life is no longer enjoyable, no longer worth living and when I know it will never get better. For instance chronic pain and knowing it will get worse with no hope of relief from drugs. This can happen at any time in life so I have already thought of it. [Yes, I know I’m weird]"

Suzy, have you tried alternative medicine? Painkilling Drugs are not always the best solution. They tend to become very addictive if you are not careful. That is the biggest problem with modern medicine. (I hate it, to be honest) They ONLY focus on the physical aspect of healing, not the mental, emotional and even the spiritual. (Yes, I know you are atheist)

"I am an atheist so my logic tells me that death itself is O.K."

Go deeper Suzy and see why death is OK. I'm dying right now, but I'm not complaining. I'm in good health on the outside. The inside is a different story. Regardless of my sufferings in life, I found that acceptance and understanding myself were key to discovering peace of mind, inner happiness, and joy of life. I understood that I cannot determine when my last day will come because that ruins the adventures and the excitement of loving life to the fullest. I personally never want to know my last day. It only takes away the joy of life I hold inside. I will never give up on life, but I have given in to a higher calling for me. I understand that life is bigger than me, that there is Someone bigger than me who knows everything about me and wants to help me live with a positive attitude and a great outlook to life.

You can have that too Suzy. Don't give up! You just need a reason to live with meaning and purpose. Don't trust in pain pills in the future. Trust in your inner need for happiness, peace of mind, joy of life, and especially love in the present and for the future. Trust that there are people out there who can help you reach those goals I mentioned. You can do it Suzy. Reach deep in you for the courage to take the next step in life, acceptance and understanding yourself deeply.

"So to the point and I would like your views on it. What about our love ones. Some say it’s selfish to take your own life because of what you do to them. I say it’s selfish of them if they don’t let you go if you are suffering."

They are right. It is selfish to take your own life. Human beings suffer all the time. There will never be a time where no one will suffer. That is purely impossible. But it is possible to suffer with integrity by truly understanding your own personal needs that has to be met. Never give up. Life with love, joy, peace, and happiness can be yours if you reach deep inside you to discover it. Start the journey today Suzy!

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Donald wrote: "I have excellent health and a long way to go yet before I jump of this mortal coil.
But I am going to finish my own life when or if my life is no longer enjoyable, no longer worth living and when I know it will never get better. For instance chronic pain and knowing it will get worse with no hope of relief from drugs. This can happen at any time in life so I have already thought of it. [Yes, I know I’m weird]"

Suzy, have you tried alternative medicine? Painkilling Drugs are not always the best solution. They tend to become very addictive if you are not careful. That is the biggest problem with modern medicine. (I hate it, to be honest) They ONLY focus on the physical aspect of healing, not the mental, emotional and even the spiritual. (Yes, I know you are atheist)

"I am an atheist so my logic tells me that death itself is O.K."

Go deeper Suzy and see why death is OK. I'm dying right now, but I'm not complaining. I'm in good health on the outside. The inside is a different story. Regardless of my sufferings in life, I found that acceptance and understanding myself were key to discovering peace of mind, inner happiness, and joy of life. I understood that I cannot determine when my last day will come because that ruins the adventures and the excitement of loving life to the fullest. I personally never want to know my last day. It only takes away the joy of life I hold inside. I will never give up on life, but I have given in to a higher calling for me. I understand that life is bigger than me, that there is Someone bigger than me who knows everything about me and wants to help me live with a positive attitude and a great outlook to life.

You can have that too Suzy. Don't give up! You just need a reason to live with meaning and purpose. Don't trust in pain pills in the future. Trust in your inner need for happiness, peace of mind, joy of life, and especially love in the present and for the future. Trust that there are people out there who can help you reach those goals I mentioned. You can do it Suzy. Reach deep in you for the courage to take the next step in life, acceptance and understanding yourself deeply.

"So to the point and I would like your views on it. What about our love ones. Some say it’s selfish to take your own life because of what you do to them. I say it’s selfish of them if they don’t let you go if you are suffering."

They are right. It is selfish to take your own life. Human beings suffer all the time. There will never be a time where no one will suffer. That is purely impossible. But it is possible to suffer with integrity by truly understanding your own personal needs that has to be met. Never give up. Life with love, joy, peace, and happiness can be yours if you reach deep inside you to discover it. Start the journey today Suzy!




All I am saying is when [if] I get to the stage in my life when life is not worth living, like chronic pain, being put into a home for the dying, no longer being independent, that sort of thing then as an atheist and a realist I will simply say goodbye and go with the knowledge that death is simply none existence unlike the theists that go on about an afterlife. My point is we atheists are not at a disadvantage with not believing in heaven [or hell?] In fact we have the advantage because we live this life to the full knowing it’s the only one we have and believe me I do live my life to the full!
All my family are atheists and realists too and we have talked about this and all agree.
I am in my prime and very healthy so its not a decision that I will have to make for a long time yet
As for the means of my death, well that’s not something to tell you here but its fast, no mess, simple, painless and 100% sure.

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Suzy wrote: As for the means of my death, well that’s not something to tell you here but its fast, no mess, simple, painless and 100% sure.
I'd be interested to hear your method if you would care to share it in a PM. I might want to employ it myself at some point. I have no problem with taking control of my life and that includes controlling how it might end.

I'll be more than happy to argue with any creator after the fact should such a deity exist. ;)
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[Replying to post 94 by Donald]

"Suzy, have you tried alternative medicine?"

You know what they call alternative medicine that works, right?

Medicine.

But to put it in more concrete terms, alternative medicine has, time and time again, been proven in various forms to be absolutely pointless up to and including the placebo effect, with no landmark ability to cause an increase in personal health using valid chemical or physical processes. If you got me convincing results, you can get me to take an extra large dosage of your homeopathic drug, but until then I'll rely on treatments that have verifiable results. I know you weren't addressing me in all this, but I'm not one to stay silent while someone's pushing an untenable position.

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Just a rather sad news article here. A woman who has been the voice of assisted suicide because of an inoperable brain tumor has indeed committed suicide. She basically said that she wanted to live to the point where she couldn't stand the suffering anymore, then end it.

http://news.yahoo.com/terminally-ill-de ... 59984.html

It was her choice, based on the information she had. I don't know if I would have had the courage to do it.
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