The witch of Endor

[Burninglight]

When the prophet Samuel told King Saul he lost his Kingdom because of his rebellion against God. He started taking matters into his own hands. After prophet Samuel's death he was troubled. He still wanted the prophet's blessing. So he went to the witch of Endor. The witch was afraid, because they put witches to death back then, but King Saul promised her protection. He wanted her to conjure up the prophet Samuel, and when she did, she totally freaked out when he showed up.
I couldn't understand why she freaked out nor could I understand why she was able to move the hand of God to allow the prophet of God to show up at her beckoning. I have an idea what happen, but I like to hear someone elses opinion as to what they think happened.

[Divine Insight]

I have an idea what happen, but I like to hear someone elses opinion as to what they think happened.

The biblical fables are not unlike the fables of Alice in Wonderland, or Peter Pan and Never Never land.

They are what they are because that's what the author's conjured up to get their story across to the reader.

Asking why the witch of Endor behaved the way she behaved is the same as asking why Captain Hook behaved the way he behaved, or the why the mad hatter behaved the way he behaved.

It was just what the author needed for the story.

And so that's what happened with the biblical fables. An author wrote a piece of fiction.

[Burninglight]

I have an idea what happen, but I like to hear someone elses opinion as to what they think happened.

The biblical fables are not unlike the fables of Alice in Wonderland, or Peter Pan and Never Never land.

They are what they are because that's what the author's conjured up to get their story across to the reader.

Asking why the witch of Endor behaved the way she behaved is the same as asking why Captain Hook behaved the way he behaved, or the why the mad hatter behaved the way he behaved.

It was just what the author needed for the story.

And so that's what happened with the biblical fables. An author wrote a piece of fiction.

I believe it was a true testimony. The reason, IMO, the witch freaked is because she realized that the Prophet's coming was not of her doing nor under her control. She saw the power of God in operation. The Bible stories and God are not fables. Just logic alone will tell you, if witches and demons are real, then so are angels and prophets of God. However Muhammad, IMO, is not God's prophet.

[Divine Insight]

I believe it was a true testimony. The reason, IMO, the witch freaked is because she realized that the Prophet's coming was not of her doing nor under her control. She saw the power of God in operation. The Bible stories and God are not fables. Just logic alone will tell you, if witches and demons are real, then so are angels and prophets of God. However Muhammad, IMO, is not God's prophet.

Is this thread about what you believe?

I thought you created this thread to hear what other people think happened?

From your OP:

I like to hear someone elses opinion as to what they think happened.

I think the stories are fables.

Moreover, I would see no reason at all why the biblical God would work through a "Witch" if he's so opposed to witches and witchcraft.

Why even bring a witch into his Holy Scriptures if he's so against that practice?

And even more so, why have a witch actually succeed in doing that they are supposed to do?

All the God would be doing is confirming that witch can indeed conjure up the spirits of the deceased.

So I see no reason to believe that the Biblical God would actually take part in something that he supposedly is so vehemently against (as you have claimed in another thread).

But then again, maybe I was right in that other thread and Goddess actually condones witches and loves them and manifests Herself through them.

In that case the explanation would be as follows:

The witch was probably used to calling up spirits for people who normally come to her. When the King came to her she probably figured that the seance wouldn't work simply because she would expect that the King didn't really believe that it could work. When it actually worked for this King she would have naturally been surprised that he actually had so much faith in the power of the seance.

And that would explain her surprise.

The Goddess doesn't normally reveal her powers to non-believers and the King would have been seen by the witch as a non-believer. So that would explain her surprise when the seance actually worked for the King.

So that explains it from the point of view of the witch.

And this would also explain why the real Goddess is more apt to work through a witch than through someone like a King.

[Burninglight]

I believe it was a true testimony. The reason, IMO, the witch freaked is because she realized that the Prophet's coming was not of her doing nor under her control. She saw the power of God in operation. The Bible stories and God are not fables. Just logic alone will tell you, if witches and demons are real, then so are angels and prophets of God. However Muhammad, IMO, is not God's prophet.

Is this thread about what you believe?

I thought you created this thread to hear what other people think happened?

From your OP:

I like to hear someone elses opinion as to what they think happened.

I think the stories are fables..

I had mentioned that I had my ideas of what happened. I didn't say I wouldn't share them. Besides your telling me it was just a fable isn't what I was looking for.

Moreover, I would see no reason at all why the biblical God would work through a "Witch" if he's so opposed to witches and witchcraft.

Why even bring a witch into his Holy Scriptures if he's so against that practice?

And even more so, why have a witch actually succeed in doing that they are supposed to do?

All the God would be doing is confirming that witch can indeed conjure up the spirits of the deceased. .

At first I was surprised about that. But not when I realize God said that rebellion is as the sin of withcraft. Saul was in rebellion. His going to a witch had nothing to do with God's directives. God uses the wrath of man for His glory.

So I see no reason to believe that the Biblical God would actually take part in something that he supposedly is so vehemently against (as you have claimed in another thread)..

I agree.

But then again, maybe I was right in that other thread and Goddess actually condones witches and loves them and manifests Herself through them.

In that case the explanation would be as follows:

The witch was probably used to calling up spirits for people who normally come to her. When the King came to her she probably figured that the seance wouldn't work simply because she would expect that the King didn't really believe that it could work. When it actually worked for this King she would have naturally been surprised that he actually had so much faith in the power of the seance.

And that would explain her surprise. .

I don't know I didn't follow that post. Now this comment is what I was looking to hear, but it doesn't seem like a good fit for this story

The Goddess doesn't normally reveal her powers to non-believers and the King would have been seen by the witch as a non-believer. So that would explain her surprise when the seance actually worked for the King.

So that explains it from the point of view of the witch.

And this would also explain why the real Goddess is more apt to work through a witch than through someone like a King.

The woman was a witch not a goddess or are you saying that's what witches are goddesses?
God can reveal his powers to believers and non believers and often has

[Divine Insight]

The woman was a witch not a goddess or are you saying that's what witches are goddesses?
God can reveal his powers to believers and non believers and often has

No, I was referring to the Goddess of the universe.

I mean, after all, just because these fables come from a Zeus-like religion doesn't mean that the real "god" of reality can't actually be a Goddess.

Clearly you're just assuming that the God described in the Hebrew fables is the only God that exists.

You actually posted this in the "Non-Christian Religions and Philosophies" forum and asked a question about the fable of the witch of Endor.

Therefore in this forum it makes sense to entertain non-Christian deities.

There are many explanations from many Non-Christian religions and spiritual philosophies that could come into play in a scenario like the fable of the witch of Endor.

If you're going to demand a Christian-only view, then why did you post it in this forum?

You're not going to start preaching again are you?

[JohnPaul]

The woman was a witch not a goddess or are you saying that's what witches are goddesses?
God can reveal his powers to believers and non believers and often has

No, I was referring to the Goddess of the universe.

I mean, after all, just because these fables come from a Zeus-like religion doesn't mean that the real "god" of reality can't actually be a Goddess.

Clearly you're just assuming that the God described in the Hebrew fables is the only God that exists.

You actually posted this in the "Non-Christian Religions and Philosophies" forum and asked a question about the fable of the witch of Endor.

Therefore in this forum it makes sense to entertain non-Christian deities.

There are many explanations from many Non-Christian religions and spiritual philosophies that could come into play in a scenario like the fable of the witch of Endor.

If you're going to demand a Christian-only view, then why did you post it in this forum?

You're not going to start preaching again are you?

Using my demonic insight, I predict that he will start preaching again.

[Burninglight]

The woman was a witch not a goddess or are you saying that's what witches are goddesses?
God can reveal his powers to believers and non believers and often has

No, I was referring to the Goddess of the universe.

I mean, after all, just because these fables come from a Zeus-like religion doesn't mean that the real "god" of reality can't actually be a Goddess.

Clearly you're just assuming that the God described in the Hebrew fables is the only God that exists.

You actually posted this in the "Non-Christian Religions and Philosophies" forum and asked a question about the fable of the witch of Endor.

Therefore in this forum it makes sense to entertain non-Christian deities.

There are many explanations from many Non-Christian religions and spiritual philosophies that could come into play in a scenario like the fable of the witch of Endor.

If you're going to demand a Christian-only view, then why did you post it in this forum?

You're not going to start preaching again are you?

The Jews are not Christians and they believe along with Christians that these are true factual stories and therefore part of history.
As far as I can tell, Islam is non Christian as well, and they too believe these are true stories and that God is HE. Will I start preaching? LOL, John Paul said his demonic sense says: yes.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean I am not really out to get you.

[Divine Insight]

The Jews are not Christians and they believe along with Christians that these are true factual stories and therefore part of history.

I just came from a thread where a Jewish gentleman was telling me that Jews do not take the Bible (or Torah in their case) literally. According to him the Jews never viewed the Biblical stories as factual verbatim stories to be taken literally but instead they have always viewed them as nothing more than ethical parables.

So the Christians have been grossly mislead in thinking that Christianity has any legitimacy in Judaism. Christianity is a broken religion. It's just a misguided distortion of Judaism.

Evidently Islam is the same kind of misguided fragmented offshoot.

As far as I can tell, Islam is non Christian as well, and they too believe these are true stories and that God is HE.

So there's a lot of misguided people in the world. Nothing new there.

There are far more Asians who don't believe any of the Mediterranean fables. And atheism is the fastest growing philosophy on the planet today. So if you want to go with the masses to justify your beliefs atheism would be a good investment for the future.

Will I start preaching?

You already have. You're already trying to justify your belief that the Hebrew Bible should be taken literally by appealing to the idea that Jews and Muslims think that way too. But you're wrong about the Jews, at least according many Jews I've talked with. They don't take the biblical fables literally.

I used to believe that about the Jews too, but evidently it's not true. It's just a Christian delusion. The Jews don't accept a literal approach to the scriptures like some Christians do.

In fact, there are actually many individual Christians who don't take the Bible literally either. It's only the hardcore fundamentalists who take that view. So that would only be a minority of Christians anyway.

[Burninglight]

The Jews are not Christians and they believe along with Christians that these are true factual stories and therefore part of history.

I just came from a thread where a Jewish gentleman was telling me that Jews do not take the Bible (or Torah in their case) literally. According to him the Jews never viewed the Biblical stories as factual verbatim stories to be taken literally but instead they have always viewed them as nothing more than ethical parables.

So the Christians have been grossly mislead in thinking that Christianity has any legitimacy in Judaism. Christianity is a broken religion. It's just a misguided distortion of Judaism.

Evidently Islam is the same kind of misguided fragmented offshoot.

As far as I can tell, Islam is non Christian as well, and they too believe these are true stories and that God is HE.

So there's a lot of misguided people in the world. Nothing new there.

There are far more Asians who don't believe any of the Mediterranean fables. And atheism is the fastest growing philosophy on the planet today. So if you want to go with the masses to justify your beliefs atheism would be a good investment for the future.

Will I start preaching?

You already have. You're already trying to justify your belief that the Hebrew Bible should be taken literally by appealing to the idea that Jews and Muslims think that way too. But you're wrong about the Jews, at least according many Jews I've talked with. They don't take the biblical fables literally.

I used to believe that about the Jews too, but evidently it's not true. It's just a Christian delusion. The Jews don't accept a literal approach to the scriptures like some Christians do.

In fact, there are actually many individual Christians who don't take the Bible literally either. It's only the hardcore fundamentalists who take that view. So that would only be a minority of Christians anyway.

Okay, that was a fine attempt at destroying Christianity. Tell me where do you get your divine insight? I ask because if there is no God that you should recommend atheism, where is your insight coming from? Are you saying you are a goddess?