Have we lost the concept of right and wrong?

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Have we lost the concept of right and wrong?

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On Yahoo News
Canadian youth hockey coach arrested for tripping player in postgame handshake line
It's an incident that seems as un-Canadian as anything imaginable: A youth hockey coach in British Columbia has been arrested after being accused of tripping a 13-year-old opponent in a handshake line after the teen had helped defeat the alleged perpetrator's squad.


Warning before viewing the short clip: The following is a hockey incident, not for the faint-hearted!
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschoo ... 32663.html

Now I have watched hockey, especially the famous Bob Probert on the Red Wings since I was a teen, and I must say that I have never witnessed such a thing in hockey as what I have seen hit the news today on Yahoo. I mean who was this coach anyways, a Christian? How could he slip on the ice tripping that poor unsuspecting, unprepared child?

My question for the OP

The coach was arrested, and ‘eye-witnesses’ were called in (I guess the video cannot be trusted on this), so what (in your opinion) should be done with this coach?

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arian wrote: Have you seen a Lady Gaga concert lately?
Not live, but I did see her New York concert on tv. And, although her music doesn't really appeal to me, it's obvious she has more creativity and talent in her pinkie finger than you and I combined.
I am not of this world ,, I have a King who is the King of kings and Lord of lords, it is Him I serve;

... and my whole life has been a living witness to that, hate without a cause.
Sorry to hear that. Maybe the god servitude thingy isn't really working for you, then?

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arian wrote: The coach was arrested, and ‘eye-witnesses’ were called in (I guess the video cannot be trusted on this), so what (in your opinion) should be done with this coach?
To answer the title before the question: Clearly we have not lost the concept of right and wrong. Why did this make the news? Because the conduct fundamentally violates our collective sense of right and wrong. We find the video compelling because the malicious act against a child causes moral outrage. Would we normally find the handshake line at the end of a Canadian youth hockey game compelling, Yahoo! front page news? No. But this made the news because we would all feel a joint sense of anger because we all have a concept of right and wrong.

What should be done with the coach? The right thing. Some sort of criminal punishment for the wrong he's done society. Some sort of civil punishment for the wrong he did this particular child. But all in keeping with the level of the offense. He should not be disemboweled or executed or imprisoned for twenty years. Cruel and unusual punishment offends our sense of right and wrong.

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McCulloch wrote: Kids are going to get hurt in competitive sports. That's just the way it is. However, their injuries should not be caused by bad acts by unsportsmanlike coaches. This coach should be charged with criminal assault and removed permanently from coaching children. He misses the entire point about the value of sport to children.
Hello McCulloch, good to hear from you.

So you feel he should be charged with criminal assault and removed permanently from coaching children, really? How about a public apology showing how dumb and irresponsible even a coach can get, then give a present (new skates) with a big hug to the kid with a teary-eyed show of remorse and show the kids what true sportsmanship is really about; that it’s not having to be perfect, only sportsman like. Hey, we all make mistakes. … or is it taboo even to admit that now?

… or would such an apology be too ‘Christ-like’?

I know; ‘Oh, Yuk…!’

But, I guess you’re right, a couple of years in prison will teach him not to show his anger towards another team’s key player! Oh, and while he is in prison, how about rousing up the prisoners to what he did and maybe they can show him how it feels to be tripped … in the shower if you know what I mean, … day after day, … then, … then when and if he ever gets out of jail alive, mark him for life as a child abuser, right? Not only will he not get a job coaching again, but no one would ever dare to hire him for any job, period!

Welfare, oh no you don’t, welfare is for those that can’t work, he looks healthy enough to hold a job, right? Oh, so you say no one would hire you? Well you should have though of that before you tripped that poor defenseless kid on the ice, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING MAN?
A bum out on the streets, … not unless you want to be arrested and go back to prison buddy! I guess the only ‘humane’ thing for him now is to walk in a hospital and be put down, after what he did I’m sure any human/animal hospital would gladly do it for him. I’m sure you’d agree it’s animals like him that make this peaceful world a living hell. No wonder our gas prices are rising, my Freon from my air-condition leaking out making my energy bills skyrocketing, my doctors refusing to help me yet I’m still paying almost $400 a month for health insurance that we can’t afford to use, why the Dentists drill out my good teeth, then when they remove it they destroy the ones next to it, … hell why not just blame all the wars on him too? Make him an example right?

No, I guess this went way beyond a sincere apology, this is World News now coach. This is to show off the New One World Order sense of Right-and-Wrong where there will be no tolerance for any unsportsmanlike behavior. The OWO sportsman seal of approval is where men must dress as women and women as men like in the movies.
Are you handsome, are you ‘actor’ material? Great, let’s see how you like wearing a dress, or react to getting sodomized? If we like what we see, you will be the highest paid actor in the world (See where Adam Sandler moved up to for playing in the movie ‘Jack and Jill’). Not only did he play a part of a woman, but dual parts of gay-lesbian-transvestite-homo-man-woman at that, now that’s acting. Kids can learn a lot from that movie I can tell you that much! Boy, talking about ‘sportsmanship’, what a good sport that Adam Sandler is, right?

I feel kind of sorry for this coaches wife and kids though, you know this will have a life-changing effect on them too, right? But hey, ‘change’ is good, it’s all about change, so often and so drastic that eventually no one will know whether they are coming or going. In a few years a male hockey-coach will open up his closet door, look inside and say; “What shall I wear to the game today, a red miniskirt with heals, or a suit? Ah, … skirt it is, and here comes my big raise, .. oh yea!

But expressing my Christ-like opinions like this is a hate-crime in itself, right, … as if people can actually read this. LOL But who knows the heart the truth can touch, I mean God always works in mysterious ways?

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A Troubled Man wrote:
arian wrote: Have you seen a Lady Gaga concert lately?
Not live, but I did see her New York concert on tv. And, although her music doesn't really appeal to me, it's obvious she has more creativity and talent in her pinkie finger than you and I combined.
Ah, but then you haven’t seen a 56 year old short fat man dance before? LOL
But then comedy is not part of her act.

I would describe her act as; “every perversion known to man rising from the depths of hell itself, without a hint of lady-like discretion�. I guess that is why they chose that name for her; Lady Gaga, as a parody.
I guess we understand the meaning of talent very differently? A woman spreading her legs front of thousands of kids, all covered in blood revealing her bloodied vagina as she is molested by a handful of gay prostitutes is not talent in my opinion, but go ahead and call me old fashioned.
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arian wrote:I am not of this world ,, I have a King who is the King of kings and Lord of lords, it is Him I serve;

... and my whole life has been a living witness to that, hate without a cause.
Sorry to hear that. Maybe the god servitude thingy isn't really working for you, then?
I’m a Believer and follower of Christ, The world just cannot tolerate the truth being revealed. The hate thing is the result of doing my duties as a Believer, it is proof that I’m on the right path. But if you see Lady Gaga’s music and performance as being ‘talented’, LOL, … LOL, … sorry but I just can’t stop laughing out loud.

Ask yourself; “How would a similar concert look in ten or twenty years from now (after she is sacrificed like all the others and long dead)?� If she is made to wear a meat dress from a cow now, what will that pitiful new victim be made to wear in ten to twenty years, of aborted children, or Bible-God Believers, … what? If men are made to wear women’s dresses now, what will they wear in 10-20 years from now? If right is wrong now, what would it be like when all concept of ‘right’ is wiped off the face of the world?

Don’t you see that this cannot go on like this much longer? Satan knows his time is short, he has to kill not only his enemies (Believers) but his followers also. You see we are all created in our Creators image, and Satan wants to destroy every one of us, including those that so loyally serve him. God has chosen a Day to end all this madness,

I can already hear the Grooms (Christ’s) footsteps, … can’t you?

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arian wrote:
I would describe her act as; “every perversion known to man rising from the depths of hell itself, without a hint of lady-like discretion�. I guess that is why they chose that name for her; Lady Gaga, as a parody.
I guess we understand the meaning of talent very differently? A woman spreading her legs front of thousands of kids, all covered in blood revealing her bloodied vagina as she is molested by a handful of gay prostitutes is not talent in my opinion, but go ahead and call me old fashioned.
If that's the extent of your ability to recognize talent, then yes, we have a very different understanding it. You appear to have completely ignored everything else about her and have focused on one thing.

How do you know they were gay prostitutes? Or, did you just make that up yourself?

I’m a Believer and follower of Christ, The world just cannot tolerate the truth being revealed.
LOL! It appears this has more to do with your religious indoctrination than anything else.
The hate thing is the result of doing my duties as a Believer, it is proof that I’m on the right path.
Really? Hatred being the result of your duties as a believer is proof you are on the right path? That is very disturbing.

:shock:
Don’t you see that this cannot go on like this much longer? Satan knows his time is short, he has to kill not only his enemies (Believers) but his followers also. You see we are all created in our Creators image, and Satan wants to destroy every one of us, including those that so loyally serve him. God has chosen a Day to end all this madness,

I can already hear the Grooms (Christ’s) footsteps, … can’t you?
Sorry, but I can't stop laughing hysterically at that post to hear footsteps. It explains a lot.

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arian wrote:
I would describe her act as; “every perversion known to man rising from the depths of hell itself, without a hint of lady-like discretion�. I guess that is why they chose that name for her; Lady Gaga, as a parody.
I guess we understand the meaning of talent very differently? A woman spreading her legs front of thousands of kids, all covered in blood revealing her bloodied vagina as she is molested by a handful of gay prostitutes is not talent in my opinion, but go ahead and call me old fashioned.
If that's the extent of your ability to recognize talent, then yes, we have a very different understanding it. You appear to have completely ignored everything else about her and have focused on one thing.
Come now, you know very well that with the right staging, clothes, make up, directing and publicity you can even make Arnold Schwarzenegger look talented and famous. The only major screw up is that they didn’t dub her voice, she should be lip sinking, not singing on her own.
A Troubled Man wrote:How do you know they were gay prostitutes? Or, did you just make that up yourself?
I grew up on the streets of Detroit, I know what a hooker looks like, and what a male gay prostitute looks like, and the show represent Lady Gaga and the guys around her as such.
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arian wrote:I’m a Believer and follower of Christ, The world just cannot tolerate the truth being revealed.
LOL! It appears this has more to do with your religious indoctrination than anything else.
No, you have it all confused. You see science, that is true science is free of religious indoctrination. In quantum physics we go beyond the limits of visible observation where only our mind can travel, it is the only way we start to see ‘God’, or the truth. But unfortunately even quantum physics is limited because of religious indoctrination, so it tops out somewhere like; ‘we are all God’, or ‘we are all part of nature, .. Mother Earth, .. or that God is part of everything, this physical universe, or He’s sitting on a cloud in some supernatural realm.’ When someone reveals the truth, it is usually opposed by people who have obviously been indoctrinated by religion as you have. This is why you accept the message in all the Lady Gaga concerts and label it ‘talent’.
I don’t care what make up, clothes, shoes, acrobatics is presented in a person taking a dump, it is not talent, and it should remain personal not displayed on a stage front of the whole world.
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arian wrote:The hate thing is the result of doing my duties as a Believer, it is proof that I’m on the right path.
Really? Hatred being the result of your duties as a believer is proof you are on the right path? That is very disturbing.

:shock:
It sure is disturbing my friend, it sure is. But just imagine, if I went up on stage with Lady Gaga, took off my pants and then my underwear and put it on my head, everyone would cheer. Now if I continued on and took a wooden cross and urinated on it front of all that multitude, you know the crowd would go absolutely wild.

Talent?
I think not.
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arian wrote:Don’t you see that this cannot go on like this much longer? Satan knows his time is short, he has to kill not only his enemies (Believers) but his followers also. You see we are all created in our Creators image, and Satan wants to destroy every one of us, including those that so loyally serve him. God has chosen a Day to end all this madness,

I can already hear the Grooms (Christ’s) footsteps, … can’t you?
Sorry, but I can't stop laughing hysterically at that post to hear footsteps. It explains a lot.
Well, one must tune their ears at the 'spiritual' level (this is a step above the quantum level) to be able to hear it. I am hoping to improve both your hearing and your vision.
How about this: There is a poor innocent girl named ‘Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta’, who is being molested, and the visual proof of her molestation is what you see and know as ‘Lady Gaga’. Can you 'see' the molestation or not?

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arian wrote:
Come now, you know very well that with the right staging, clothes, make up, directing and publicity you can even make Arnold Schwarzenegger look talented and famous.
Again, if that's how easy it is to fool someone into equating talent with the right staging, clothes and make up, then we have a very different idea of what constitutes talent.
I grew up on the streets of Detroit, I know what a hooker looks like, and what a male gay prostitute looks like, and the show represent Lady Gaga and the guys around her as such.
Ah, so you did make that up yourself. Thanks.
No, you have it all confused. You see science, that is true science is free of religious indoctrination. In quantum physics we go beyond the limits of visible observation where only our mind can travel, it is the only way we start to see ‘God’, or the truth. But unfortunately even quantum physics is limited because of religious indoctrination, so it tops out somewhere like; ‘we are all God’, or ‘we are all part of nature, .. Mother Earth, .. or that God is part of everything, this physical universe, or He’s sitting on a cloud in some supernatural realm.’ When someone reveals the truth, it is usually opposed by people who have obviously been indoctrinated by religion as you have. This is why you accept the message in all the Lady Gaga concerts and label it ‘talent’.
I don’t care what make up, clothes, shoes, acrobatics is presented in a person taking a dump, it is not talent, and it should remain personal not displayed on a stage front of the whole world.
In other words, some talented people are offensive to you, and rather than just ignore them, you want to actually not see them perform for others because of your religious beliefs.
It sure is disturbing my friend, it sure is. But just imagine, if I went up on stage with Lady Gaga, took off my pants and then my underwear and put it on my head, everyone would cheer.
Yes, they would witness a fool on stage with Lady Gaga.
Now if I continued on and took a wooden cross and urinated on it front of all that multitude, you know the crowd would go absolutely wild.
Is that what Lady Gaga did or are you making that up, too?
Well, one must tune their ears at the 'spiritual' level (this is a step above the quantum level) to be able to hear it. I am hoping to improve both your hearing and your vision.
LOL! Yes, woo-woo's have a tendency to use the word 'quantum' with their religious beliefs as if they knew what they were talking about.
How about this: There is a poor innocent girl named ‘Stefani Joanne Angelina Germanotta’, who is being molested, and the visual proof of her molestation is what you see and know as ‘Lady Gaga’. Can you 'see' the molestation or not?
I have no idea what you're on about. LOL!

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I have no idea what you're on about. LOL!
I didn't think so. :(

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