Water (& Fire)

[PfRegan]

Here's my take on things:

Every single living thing on earth is quite literally made of water. To the core. Those teeny tiny nuclei that we are all made up of, whose origins have puzzled scientists for ages, are made of water or, to put it differently, are water-based.

There is not a single living thing on earth that can live without water. If all water was taken away from earth, all life would die.

Does this not show that not only is all life dependent on water to keep living, but that we were also constructed from water itself?

My theory is that there are TWO extreme, and yes, near God-like substances which we use in intense abundance, take for granted, depend on and all the while do not even come close to fully understanding: Water and Fire.

I believe that water and fire hold the key to everything, but we are so used to these elements that we take them for granted. MASS amounts of research should be done on water and fire in my opinion if we want to truly understand what life is.

I see it as this: Billions upon trillions of years ago, water in abundance came to earth somehow (a theory that IS supported by scientific date, water has been spotted randomly forming in space). From here the water gradually bore into the earth (or it came up out of it, I don't know) and then the powers of the sun were able to mix with the powers of the water and together they formed something that we really do not understand: life. Something that is constantly growing more and more advanced with time. Water seeped into the earths crust and plants began to grow (all constructed mainly of water). In the water itself a different form of life began to form, animals. From here I believe in evolution. I don't even see reason to debate that because honestly the evidence for it is so overwhelming its shocking to me that evolution is still considered a topic of debate. (I myself see evidence of it every day, through my own logic, observations and reasoning (which differs from logic, observations and reasoning of religion in that I see actual distinct similarities between living creatures on earth, and dammit evolution actually makes FULL sense when you REALLY think about it).)

Water and fire are the ONLY universal things (universal in the sense of the entire universe, not just earth) with the exception of rocks and minerals etc. (which I also believe came from water and fire, waaaaaaaaay back when). And when those two universal elements are combined in a very specific and precise way, life forms.

That's what I've got. I'm extremely interested to hear all opinions of this, especially if anyone actually agrees with me!!

Have a great day!! Drink lots of water! Get some sun.

[ThatGirlAgain]

Here's my take on things:

Every single living thing on earth is quite literally made of water. To the core. Those teeny tiny nuclei that we are all made up of, whose origins have puzzled scientists for ages, are made of water or, to put it differently, are water-based.

There is not a single living thing on earth that can live without water. If all water was taken away from earth, all life would die.

Does this not show that not only is all life dependent on water to keep living, but that we were also constructed from water itself?

My theory is that there are TWO extreme, and yes, near God-like substances which we use in intense abundance, take for granted, depend on and all the while do not even come close to fully understanding: Water and Fire.

I believe that water and fire hold the key to everything, but we are so used to these elements that we take them for granted. MASS amounts of research should be done on water and fire in my opinion if we want to truly understand what life is.

I see it as this: Billions upon trillions of years ago, water in abundance came to earth somehow (a theory that IS supported by scientific date, water has been spotted randomly forming in space). From here the water gradually bore into the earth (or it came up out of it, I don't know) and then the powers of the sun were able to mix with the powers of the water and together they formed something that we really do not understand: life. Something that is constantly growing more and more advanced with time. Water seeped into the earths crust and plants began to grow (all constructed mainly of water). In the water itself a different form of life began to form, animals. From here I believe in evolution. I don't even see reason to debate that because honestly the evidence for it is so overwhelming its shocking to me that evolution is still considered a topic of debate. (I myself see evidence of it every day, through my own logic, observations and reasoning (which differs from logic, observations and reasoning of religion in that I see actual distinct similarities between living creatures on earth, and dammit evolution actually makes FULL sense when you REALLY think about it).)

Water and fire are the ONLY universal things (universal in the sense of the entire universe, not just earth) with the exception of rocks and minerals etc. (which I also believe came from water and fire, waaaaaaaaay back when). And when those two universal elements are combined in a very specific and precise way, life forms.

That's what I've got. I'm extremely interested to hear all opinions of this, especially if anyone actually agrees with me!!

Have a great day!! Drink lots of water! Get some sun.

Check out Thales. He was there 2500 years ago.
http://www.crandallu.ca/courses/grphil/Thales.htm#Th31

[xSilverPhinx]

Water certainly is the facilitator of life, but I wouldn't use the word 'creator'. And maybe not even because of water itself but because of what a liquid environment allows chemicals to do. Actually could be any solvent maybe, while water helped here, could maybe be some other liquid somewhere else, assuming there is life somewhere else.

[Gunnarr]

The Mythology of the Scandinavians is well documented in its creation story as the coming together of fire and ice.

Heres a post on the matter on this forum,

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... highlight=

I do not agree with all of the posters thoughts all though at one time I did, but we learn and move on.

In regards though to the creation its as good an answer as most I have been made aware of.

[Burninglight]

Here's my take on things:

Every single living thing on earth is quite literally made of water. To the core. Those teeny tiny nuclei that we are all made up of, whose origins have puzzled scientists for ages, are made of water or, to put it differently, are water-based.

There is not a single living thing on earth that can live without water. If all water was taken away from earth, all life would die.

Does this not show that not only is all life dependent on water to keep living, but that we were also constructed from water itself?

My theory is that there are TWO extreme, and yes, near God-like substances which we use in intense abundance, take for granted, depend on and all the while do not even come close to fully understanding: Water and Fire.

I believe that water and fire hold the key to everything, but we are so used to these elements that we take them for granted. MASS amounts of research should be done on water and fire in my opinion if we want to truly understand what life is.

I see it as this: Billions upon trillions of years ago, water in abundance came to earth somehow (a theory that IS supported by scientific date, water has been spotted randomly forming in space). From here the water gradually bore into the earth (or it came up out of it, I don't know) and then the powers of the sun were able to mix with the powers of the water and together they formed something that we really do not understand: life. Something that is constantly growing more and more advanced with time. Water seeped into the earths crust and plants began to grow (all constructed mainly of water). In the water itself a different form of life began to form, animals. From here I believe in evolution. I don't even see reason to debate that because honestly the evidence for it is so overwhelming its shocking to me that evolution is still considered a topic of debate. (I myself see evidence of it every day, through my own logic, observations and reasoning (which differs from logic, observations and reasoning of religion in that I see actual distinct similarities between living creatures on earth, and dammit evolution actually makes FULL sense when you REALLY think about it).)

Water and fire are the ONLY universal things (universal in the sense of the entire universe, not just earth) with the exception of rocks and minerals etc. (which I also believe came from water and fire, waaaaaaaaay back when). And when those two universal elements are combined in a very specific and precise way, life forms.

That's what I've got. I'm extremely interested to hear all opinions of this, especially if anyone actually agrees with me!!

Have a great day!! Drink lots of water! Get some sun.

Check out Thales. He was there 2500 years ago.
http://www.crandallu.ca/courses/grphil/Thales.htm#Th31

You could say that about the sun alone. Without it, all life would die and water isn't a factor for the sun. Water & fire are needed for life, but those are created elements. We must not put created things above the Creator; otherwise, we will worship water and fire like the pagans did the sun and moon.
Some scientist once got together with fire and water and said lets tell God we don't need Him anymore. God said, "Why not?" they said because everything you can do we can do also; we can even create life. God said "Let me see you do it" The scientist took up a hand full of dirt and said "okay." God said, "Wait hold off there, get your own dirt!" You should drink plenty of water and keep warm

[TheBlackPhilosophy]

Here's my take on things:

Every single living thing on earth is quite literally made of water. To the core. Those teeny tiny nuclei that we are all made up of, whose origins have puzzled scientists for ages, are made of water or, to put it differently, are water-based.

There is not a single living thing on earth that can live without water. If all water was taken away from earth, all life would die.

Does this not show that not only is all life dependent on water to keep living, but that we were also constructed from water itself?

My theory is that there are TWO extreme, and yes, near God-like substances which we use in intense abundance, take for granted, depend on and all the while do not even come close to fully understanding: Water and Fire.

I believe that water and fire hold the key to everything, but we are so used to these elements that we take them for granted. MASS amounts of research should be done on water and fire in my opinion if we want to truly understand what life is.

I see it as this: Billions upon trillions of years ago, water in abundance came to earth somehow (a theory that IS supported by scientific date, water has been spotted randomly forming in space). From here the water gradually bore into the earth (or it came up out of it, I don't know) and then the powers of the sun were able to mix with the powers of the water and together they formed something that we really do not understand: life. Something that is constantly growing more and more advanced with time. Water seeped into the earths crust and plants began to grow (all constructed mainly of water). In the water itself a different form of life began to form, animals. From here I believe in evolution. I don't even see reason to debate that because honestly the evidence for it is so overwhelming its shocking to me that evolution is still considered a topic of debate. (I myself see evidence of it every day, through my own logic, observations and reasoning (which differs from logic, observations and reasoning of religion in that I see actual distinct similarities between living creatures on earth, and dammit evolution actually makes FULL sense when you REALLY think about it).)

Water and fire are the ONLY universal things (universal in the sense of the entire universe, not just earth) with the exception of rocks and minerals etc. (which I also believe came from water and fire, waaaaaaaaay back when). And when those two universal elements are combined in a very specific and precise way, life forms.

That's what I've got. I'm extremely interested to hear all opinions of this, especially if anyone actually agrees with me!!

Have a great day!! Drink lots of water! Get some sun.

If you think that what you have just described is evolution, you are very mistaken.

Your idea is a very simplistic one, albeit an interesting idea.

A further question to ask is, "What are water and fire?".

Once you start to break everything down, things become clearer.
Which is similar to eastern/esoteric/golden dawn like thought, that in order to understand the large; we must understand the small.

[Burninglight]

Evolution is a religion

[Goat]

Evolution is a religion

Care to back up that claim with evidence? How is 'evolution a religion'?

I assume you are makign that claim about 'biological evolution'? Is that correct?

[TheBlackPhilosophy]

Evolution is a religion

Evolution is a Scientific.

Christianity is an Ideology or Religion.

Science is based upon logic and observation of events. Science is willing to change when new evidence is put fourth.

Ideology is based upon observation of events according to its own rules, which are not based upon logic (as opposed to the scientific method). Ideologies refuse to change in light of new evidence, instead they force evidence to conform to their own illogical (or sometimes slightly logical) rules.

Science = Willing change based upon evidence.
Religion/Ideology = Willing to change the evidence to fit its own standards.

[Burninglight]

Evolution is a religion

Evolution is a Scientific.

Christianity is an Ideology or Religion.

Science is based upon logic and observation of events. Science is willing to change when new evidence is put fourth.

Ideology is based upon observation of events according to its own rules, which are not based upon logic (as opposed to the scientific method). Ideologies refuse to change in light of new evidence, instead they force evidence to conform to their own illogical (or sometimes slightly logical) rules.

Science = Willing change based upon evidence.
Religion/Ideology = Willing to change the evidence to fit its own standards.

God created science. Evolutionist are willing to change their scientific theories of how man came to be, if you can call their theories science, but in the mean time, while they are looking for the missing link (or was that the whole chain), they are hanging on to a hypothesis, if you can even call it that, on the origins of man. IOW, it takes more faith for me to believe in evolution than it does to believe God created the world and all that is in it. That is why I call evolution a religion.

Let me share something I think is funny, but many a true word is spoken in jest. There were 4 scientists that agreed to meet with God to tell Him they didn't need Him anymore. God said, "Why not?" the scienctists said, "Because, everything you can do, we can too. We can even create life" God said, "Really, let me see you do that?" One the scientist said, "Okay" as he picked up a hand full of dirt. God interrupted him and said, "Wait a minute. Get your own dirt!"

It is easy for me to believe that life came from life (God who lives) than from a rock like scientist believe started the origins of life. I won't ask where the rock came from. The magic formular for this life occurence is time; millions and millions of years and it will happen pfft