Quran Burining and Associated Killings

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Afghan President asks US Congress to condemn Quran burning

Afghan protests continue against Qur'an burning

I have absolutely no problem with Muslims peacefully protesting the rude act of Quran burning. But what I cannot understand is why Muslims are not protesting the deaths of innocent people that were the result of these protests. Do Muslims consider a copy of their "sacred" book to be more important than a human life? I certainly hope not, but I'd like to hear that from the Muslims who participate on this site.


Are there stories about the protests my Muslim leaders over these deaths? I haven't seen any, so please post the links if you see one.

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If you consider it immoral to burn the Quran, can you please explain why?

Can you explain why this man announced to burn the book then do that publically?
As I told you it is not a matter of papers.
Do you know that we Muslims burn the old copies of The book instead of being kept without use.
If he bought hundreds of hundreds of copies of the book and burned them at home, would this lead to the situation now?
It is not only a religious matter but also a political one.
Don’t tell me this man burned a book and that is it and those protesters exaggerate.
This man wants to deliver an evil symbolic message:
He wants to say to all Muslims that Islam and the book of The God are all…………..
This man hates Muslims and thinks that by this triviality will be able to make people hate Islam.'

I agree 100%.

And these 300 threats is a lie. It is just another way of propaganda to raise hatred against Muslims.
I advise you when you read news, read what is between the lines and what is beyond the words and who is the writer and what is the site and what is the purpose (the hidden purpose).

Why do you think this is a lie? Are you suggesting there are zero death threats? Or maybe only 100? The problem is that if there are ANY death threats from Muslims, this plays right into the guys hands. He can use this to "prove" he is right.

Should the people who burned the Quran be punished? If so, by whom, and in what manner?

Yes, he should be punished because if no, many others would imitate him which will lead to more hatred not only against the doers but also against the state which let those commit such crimes against Muslim and Islam.

I assume you are not an American. We Americans greatly value free speech, and defend the right of people to say what they believe. Furthermore, he committed no crime, so there is no basis for punishing him. This is something that Muslims (and everyone) must accept. Express outrage and disappointment, but accept the fact that a nation has the right to it's own system of justice.

I answered the second question before:
According to the rules of Islam, No killing except with right and this right is through just judgment in a court executing the law of the country because if everyone applied his own law, we would live in jungle.
So it is a matter between states not between individuals because it touches the countries peace and state security.

It is not a matter BETWEEN states, it is a matter WITHIN the state. As I said, Jones committed no crimes. I don't condone what he did. I think it was outrageous. But outrageous acts are not always illegal.

do you agree with the people who've threatened to kill Terry Jones?

As I said this is false news but if if if yes they are guilty because they throw horror in the hearts of innocent people and of course I don’t mean that criminal man but anyone one who hears a threat of death even if not to him, this makes him feel unsafe and this is against the principles of Islam.

I appreciate your comment. I wish there were more of this sort of comment being made publicly. If you have seen it publicly, I'd appreciate you pointing me to it.

How far do you take the word, "must?"

Actually I mean should not must, sorry my English is bad.
I think I replied to all your question, may you reply to this simple question?
Who created you? How? And why?

Who: My parents. Why: they had 2 girls already and decided they wanted a son.

[happy forever]

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Mr. American,
Man is not born free or to be free. If we were free from the beginning, our mothers wouldn't forbid us from uttering indecent words or else we would be impolite. We wouldn't be banned to enter a room without excuse. We wouldn't be punished from taking things not ours.
The more we grow, the more we become under restrictions whether the rules of the religion or of the culture or else we are abnormal.
Freedom can be in choosing the color of your shirt or the kind of your food or in choosing your wife. The limit of your freedom is around your rights.
But when freedom exceeds the rights of others, it is not freedom, it is violation.
Freedom of speech could lead and acually leads to wars. Freedom of speech is not in insulting people and throwing accusations to innocents and lying and spreeding rumors.
Imagine you wake up in the morning and find that in the first page of Times newspapers your name is among the wanted terrorists!!!

There are many who say that publically but here in my country Egypt but such true picture of Islam doesn't reach the ears and eyes of the Americans not because of us but because of those who control your media.
That is why I advise you not to trust any sayings or any picture or even any vedio.
Muslims suffer from the false propaganda in your media and only us who know the real purpose and bear the consequences.
The evidence will be in your reply to this question, what do you know about Islam?

Why did your parents choose you especially? why didn't they choose some one taller or smarter or more handsome.
But you still have the chance, tell them to change your nose and the color of your hair. Tell them also that you don't want to grow more than that.
And because you also Inshallah will become a father and a creator, I advise you to prepare a list of the specifications of your child.
There is only one question, what if you are barren?
Ah, tell your parents to make you fertile!!!!!!!!!!!
Who is your God?

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Mr. American,
Man is not born free or to be free. If we were free from the beginning, our mothers wouldn't forbid us from uttering indecent words or else we would be impolite. We wouldn't be banned to enter a room without excuse. We wouldn't be punished from taking things not ours.
The more we grow, the more we become under restrictions whether the rules of the religion or of the culture or else we are abnormal.
Freedom can be in choosing the color of your shirt or the kind of your food or in choosing your wife. The limit of your freedom is around your rights.
But when freedom exceeds the rights of others, it is not freedom, it is violation.
Freedom of speech could lead and acually leads to wars. Freedom of speech is not in insulting people and throwing accusations to innocents and lying and spreeding rumors.
Imagine you wake up in the morning and find that in the first page of Times newspapers your name is among the wanted terrorists!!!

I disagree with your characterization of freedom. We are born in freedom, not bondage. Freedom is not the right to do whatever we want, to whomever we choose, whereever we choose. We're still free, with restrictions. No one owns us. I agree that our freedom ends when it encroaches on the rights of others. With some freedoms this is straightforward. I am not free to take your property or your life because this clearly, unequivocally damages you. Free speech is more difficult. If the standard for speech would be: "avoid offending anyone," this would constrain discussion and protest. It would be a crime to criticize my President or other people in public office. Public professions of religious faith would also be constrained - because it could offend those of other faiths. But we do have limits - speech that explicitly incites violence is not allowed. Terry Jones didn't do this. I repeat what I've said previously: I condemn what he said and what he did. I agree with you that he was expressing his hatred toward Muslims, and his act was a symbolic one. But he did no physical harm to anyone, did not suggest that physical harm should be performed. Symbolic acts against Christianity are tolerated in America as well - Christians are offended, and would prefer these not occur.

Similary I can understand why Muslims would be offended. Perhaps you can also understand why Americans are offended when we see people in other countries burning our flag, or chanting, "death to America." Taking offense is natural, but that doesn't mean there should be a violent reaction to it. Only peaceful protests are appropriate. How sad it is that anyone should die as a result of this. You haven't answered one important question: which is worse, the burning of the Quran, or the death of a man. I feel strongly that the death of a man is more important. That doesn't mean I excuse Terry Jones' act, but he did not kill anyone. He angered people, he offended people, but the people who did the killing are responsible for the acts they committed.

Regarding news that is published or broadcast: both correct and incorrect information is published and broadcast - and it is certainly a challenge to sort out what is true; we can never be quite certain.

There are many who say that publically but here in my country Egypt but such true picture of Islam doesn't reach the ears and eyes of the Americans not because of us but because of those who control your media.

I agree, and that's why it is important to access sources in other countries. The sources I use for events in the Arab world are the Beirut Daily Star and Al Jazeera - the English versions (I do not speak Arabic). I am open to other suggestions. I'll also point out that my original question included the invitation to give me such information. I was not denying that it might exist, I really wanted to see if there was published reports about the deaths being condemned by Muslims. I know that Karzai condemned the deaths, but he is a politician. Do the clerics who report the Quran burning also condemn the acts of violence?

That is why I advise you not to trust any sayings or any picture or even any vedio.
Muslims suffer from the false propaganda in your media and only us who know the real purpose and bear the consequences.

My perception is that reporting in the US is skewed, but one can get true information if one puts in the effort.

The evidence will be in your reply to this question, what do you know about Islam?

That's a rather broad question. Most of what I know is based on the Muslims that I know personally. I work for a multinational oil company as an IT manager. About 60 people report to me, and half of them are Malaysians - and most of these are Muslim. There is also one Egyptian woman working for me (she lives here in the US). One of my peers, another IT manager, is a Palestinian Muslim, he is a good friend. My perception of these Muslims is that they are no different from non-Muslims: they work hard to have a good life for themselves and their families. They are intelligent and creative. They tend to be more obviously religious than others - but this is primarily due to their practices of praying daily (we have prayer rooms for them), and the women wear a hijab. They treat me with more respect than the people in the West do - I think it's their Asian culture. Because of my relationship with them, I always feel offended when I see other people saying bad things about Muslims - and I often get into debates with such people, hoping to open their eyes.

I probably have not given you the answer you wanted - perhaps you were testing my knowledge of Islam. I know a bit about the religion (probably more than the average American), but there is much more that I don't know.

Why did your parents choose you especially? why didn't they choose some one taller or smarter or more handsome.
But you still have the chance, tell them to change your nose and the color of your hair. Tell them also that you don't want to grow more than that.
And because you also Inshallah will become a father and a creator, I advise you to prepare a list of the specifications of your child.There is only one question, what if you are barren?
Ah, tell your parents to make you fertile!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not sure of your point. We inherit our physical characteristics from the genes of our parents which combined at conception with a degree of randomness. Physical changes occur in our body due to aging, disease, and accidents.

Who is your God?

I am agnostic. I am open to the theoretical possibility that there is some sort of god, or gods, but I see no evidence of such an entity or entities. It appears to me that people's religious faith is based on what other humans have told them - it is therefore faith in the words of man.

Finally, I am delighted to be having a discussion with an Egyptian. This has been such an historic year for your country! You should feel proud of conduct of your people in bringing about the change. It's too bad it could not have worked out this well in Libya. But I wish you, and all of Egypt, success in the future development of your country.

[happy forever]

Mr. American,
Man is not born free or to be free. If we were free from the beginning, our mothers wouldn't forbid us from uttering indecent words or else we would be impolite. We wouldn't be banned to enter a room without excuse. We wouldn't be punished from taking things not ours.
The more we grow, the more we become under restrictions whether the rules of the religion or of the culture or else we are abnormal.
Freedom can be in choosing the color of your shirt or the kind of your food or in choosing your wife. The limit of your freedom is around your rights.
But when freedom exceeds the rights of others, it is not freedom, it is violation.
Freedom of speech could lead and acually leads to wars. Freedom of speech is not in insulting people and throwing accusations to innocents and lying and spreeding rumors.
Imagine you wake up in the morning and find that in the first page of Times newspapers your name is among the wanted terrorists!!!

I disagree with your characterization of freedom. We are born in freedom, not bondage. Freedom is not the right to do whatever we want, to whomever we choose, whereever we choose. We're still free, with restrictions. No one owns us. I agree that our freedom ends when it encroaches on the rights of others. With some freedoms this is straightforward. I am not free to take your property or your life because this clearly, unequivocally damages you. Free speech is more difficult. If the standard for speech would be: "avoid offending anyone," this would constrain discussion and protest. It would be a crime to criticize my President or other people in public office. Public professions of religious faith would also be constrained - because it could offend those of other faiths. But we do have limits - speech that explicitly incites violence is not allowed. Terry Jones didn't do this. I repeat what I've said previously: I condemn what he said and what he did. I agree with you that he was expressing his hatred toward Muslims, and his act was a symbolic one. But he did no physical harm to anyone, did not suggest that physical harm should be performed. Symbolic acts against Christianity are tolerated in America as well - Christians are offended, and would prefer these not occur.

Similary I can understand why Muslims would be offended. Perhaps you can also understand why Americans are offended when we see people in other countries burning our flag, or chanting, "death to America." Taking offense is natural, but that doesn't mean there should be a violent reaction to it. Only peaceful protests are appropriate. How sad it is that anyone should die as a result of this. You haven't answered one important question: which is worse, the burning of the Quran, or the death of a man. I feel strongly that the death of a man is more important. That doesn't mean I excuse Terry Jones' act, but he did not kill anyone. He angered people, he offended people, but the people who did the killing are responsible for the acts they committed.

Regarding news that is published or broadcast: both correct and incorrect information is published and broadcast - and it is certainly a challenge to sort out what is true; we can never be quite certain.

There are many who say that publically but here in my country Egypt but such true picture of Islam doesn't reach the ears and eyes of the Americans not because of us but because of those who control your media.

I agree, and that's why it is important to access sources in other countries. The sources I use for events in the Arab world are the Beirut Daily Star and Al Jazeera - the English versions (I do not speak Arabic). I am open to other suggestions. I'll also point out that my original question included the invitation to give me such information. I was not denying that it might exist, I really wanted to see if there was published reports about the deaths being condemned by Muslims. I know that Karzai condemned the deaths, but he is a politician. Do the clerics who report the Quran burning also condemn the acts of violence?

That is why I advise you not to trust any sayings or any picture or even any vedio.
Muslims suffer from the false propaganda in your media and only us who know the real purpose and bear the consequences.

My perception is that reporting in the US is skewed, but one can get true information if one puts in the effort.

The evidence will be in your reply to this question, what do you know about Islam?

That's a rather broad question. Most of what I know is based on the Muslims that I know personally. I work for a multinational oil company as an IT manager. About 60 people report to me, and half of them are Malaysians - and most of these are Muslim. There is also one Egyptian woman working for me (she lives here in the US). One of my peers, another IT manager, is a Palestinian Muslim, he is a good friend. My perception of these Muslims is that they are no different from non-Muslims: they work hard to have a good life for themselves and their families. They are intelligent and creative. They tend to be more obviously religious than others - but this is primarily due to their practices of praying daily (we have prayer rooms for them), and the women wear a hijab. They treat me with more respect than the people in the West do - I think it's their Asian culture. Because of my relationship with them, I always feel offended when I see other people saying bad things about Muslims - and I often get into debates with such people, hoping to open their eyes.

I probably have not given you the answer you wanted - perhaps you were testing my knowledge of Islam. I know a bit about the religion (probably more than the average American), but there is much more that I don't know.

Why did your parents choose you especially? why didn't they choose some one taller or smarter or more handsome.
But you still have the chance, tell them to change your nose and the color of your hair. Tell them also that you don't want to grow more than that.
And because you also Inshallah will become a father and a creator, I advise you to prepare a list of the specifications of your child.There is only one question, what if you are barren?
Ah, tell your parents to make you fertile!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not sure of your point. We inherit our physical characteristics from the genes of our parents which combined at conception with a degree of randomness. Physical changes occur in our body due to aging, disease, and accidents.

Who is your God?

I am agnostic. I am open to the theoretical possibility that there is some sort of god, or gods, but I see no evidence of such an entity or entities. It appears to me that people's religious faith is based on what other humans have told them - it is therefore faith in the words of man.

Finally, I am delighted to be having a discussion with an Egyptian. This has been such an historic year for your country! You should feel proud of conduct of your people in bringing about the change. It's too bad it could not have worked out this well in Libya. But I wish you, and all of Egypt, success in the future development of your country.

I am happy with your message and for having a good idea about Muslims.
The discussion with you is so interesting. It deals with religion, politics and culture.
Most of the rulers of the Islamic countries are tyrants as you see in Egypt, Libya, Yaman and many others who care about money, injust so don't think their policy is applying Islam, in the contrary so they are not Islam representatives.
It is not true to judge a religion from its people. I can't judge christianity from Crusade.
I am optimistic that Egypt (Misr) will be better but I am not satisfied with the current temporary government. I am waiting for another Salah Din.
I like those who are not mocked with the nice appearance of those who think themselves people of religion and you are right most religions are made by man and that is why they are different and that is why they turn to be culture and that is why Allah exposes the changes and distortions made by man in His books and that is why Allah said:
"We have, without doubt sent down the Message (Quran); and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (9)"[15-9] The Munificent Quran

The existence of god os not possible, there must be the god as there must be the universe.
You didn't reply, Who created you?
Who created your inherited genes, who created your body, who created diseases?

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I am happy with your message and for having a good idea about Muslims.
The discussion with you is so interesting. It deals with religion, politics and culture.
Most of the rulers of the Islamic countries are tyrants as you see in Egypt, Libya, Yaman and many others who care about money, injust so don't think their policy is applying Islam, in the contrary so they are not Islam representatives.
It is not true to judge a religion from its people. I can't judge christianity from Crusade.
I am optimistic that Egypt (Misr) will be better but I am not satisfied with the current temporary government. I am waiting for another Salah Din.
I like those who are not mocked with the nice appearance of those who think themselves people of religion and you are right most religions are made by man and that is why they are different and that is why they turn to be culture and that is why Allah exposes the changes and distortions made by man in His books and that is why Allah said:
"We have, without doubt sent down the Message (Quran); and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (9)"[15-9] The Munificent Quran

I partly disagree with your comment about not judging a religion by the people. A good religion should be a positive influence on its adherents. The Muslims I work with are excellent representatives - they live good lives, and are very caring people. On the other hand, one should not do what Terry Jones did, and judge Islam based on the words and deeds of extremists/terrorists. I am sorry to say that there are some Americans who do this; I don't really know how many - but they are vocal.

Regarding the Crusades - they tell you something about the faith of those Christians who supported and participated in them. I would hope that most Christians are embarrassed about them today. I really don't think there would be very many Christians who want want to wage a "holy war" today. And this term, "holy war" is a very strange concept - implying there is a god who actually wants us to kill others for having incorrect beliefs. In my opinion, such a God is to be feared, but not loved or respected. We should hope such an evil god does not exist.

The existence of god os not possible, there must be the god as there must be the universe.

I disagree. There are perfectly natural explanations for the existence of the universe. We frequently debate these in other subforums on this site. One of my favorite topics is the Kalam Cosmological Arument, first proposed by the Islamic philosopher Ghazali.

You didn't reply, Who created you?
Who created your inherited genes, who created your body, who created diseases?

I did reply: my parents "created" me. Apparently you want me to go further back. OK...

Humans evolved from less advanced primates. Primates and all other life forms evolved from earlier, more primitive life forms. Diseases are the product of the evolution of bacteria and viruses, or from the random mutation of our own genetic material.

Life appeared on earth due to random chemical reactions in the high energy conditions of Earth's early history, amid the rich set of elements that are present. These elements were present as a consequence of prior supernova explosions which created them. The supernova developed from earlier generation stars that had burned up much of their hydrogen fuel. The earliest stars developed from the gravitational attraction of the hydrogen created at the big bang. The big bang could actually be the beginning of everything (including time), or it could be just one example of many universes, each developing from the random fluctuations of a timeless state of matter/energy. If the big bang is the beginning of it all, it is the first cause. If our universe is one of many, then the first cause is the timeless collection of matter/energy that experiences "big bangs" due to random quantum fluctuations. Interaction from a "god" is an unnecessary hypothesis. You are welcome to believe in your God, but your belief is based on faith - not based on deductions from objective premises.

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Imagine you are now a new man with a different mind not affected by any others' thoughts or concepts.

Sit alone, meditate your palm, its fingers, its fingertips, its skin, its hair, its arteries, its nails.

Take a mirror and meditate you face, your eyes, your nose, your lips, your hair, your cheeks, your eyelashes, your brows.

Then tell me:

WHO CREATED YOU?

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Imagine you are now a new man with a different mind not affected by any others' thoughts or concepts.

Sit alone, meditate your palm, its fingers, its fingertips, its skin, its hair, its arteries, its nails.

Take a mirror and meditate you face, your eyes, your nose, your lips, your hair, your cheeks, your eyelashes, your brows.

Then tell me:

WHO CREATED YOU?

As I explained, we are the result of natural causes. There is no evidence to the contrary. It appears to me that those who believe in God do so primarily because they were taught this and failed to question it. "God" explained your existence, and that of the universe, in a way that a child can understand. Humans don't like mysteries, they like answers - and the simpler answers are the most appealing. Personally, I'm more interested in TRUTH than simply having "answers."

I answered your question, now you answer mine: did you discover God entirely on your own, or did you simply accept what you were taught, beginning when you were a child? Did you ever question what you were taught? Why do you trust the people who taught you?

I was a believer when I was a child. As I got older I started asking questions about how my teachers could be so sure they were right. You, as a Muslim, surely feel that my Christian teachers were wrong - at least in certain ways (e.g. Jesus being God). What makes you so certain that your teachers were right and mine were wrong? What makes you so certain that ANY human has the correct answers about the supernatural? Why do you consider a supernatural to be needed to explain anything?

[happy forever]

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Imagine you are now a new man with a different mind not affected by any others' thoughts or concepts.

Sit alone, meditate your palm, its fingers, its fingertips, its skin, its hair, its arteries, its nails.

Take a mirror and meditate you face, your eyes, your nose, your lips, your hair, your cheeks, your eyelashes, your brows.

Then tell me:

WHO CREATED YOU?

As I explained, we are the result of natural causes. There is no evidence to the contrary. It appears to me that those who believe in God do so primarily because they were taught this and failed to question it. "God" explained your existence, and that of the universe, in a way that a child can understand. Humans don't like mysteries, they like answers - and the simpler answers are the most appealing. Personally, I'm more interested in TRUTH than simply having "answers."

I answered your question, now you answer mine: did you discover God entirely on your own, or did you simply accept what you were taught, beginning when you were a child? Did you ever question what you were taught? Why do you trust the people who taught you?

I was a believer when I was a child. As I got older I started asking questions about how my teachers could be so sure they were right. You, as a Muslim, surely feel that my Christian teachers were wrong - at least in certain ways (e.g. Jesus being God). What makes you so certain that your teachers were right and mine were wrong? What makes you so certain that ANY human has the correct answers about the supernatural? Why do you consider a supernatural to be needed to explain anything?

Islam is not like Christianity or any other religion. Islam is the only logical religion.
Heaven religions were the same then distorted by man so your old religion becomes a myth but Islam this new and last religion is kept pure for all generations till the end of the world and I have my logical evidence and miracle.
I am not a Muslim because of my parents. I did and do what you say because I have mind and respect my mind so I discuss with you using logic using mind.

Yes, you are right, there are natural causes and nature is the rules that are applied perfectly and nothing can break these very restrict accurate organized rules.
Now I want a logical answer to this question.

Who set these rules???

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Imagine you are now a new man with a different mind not affected by any others' thoughts or concepts.

Sit alone, meditate your palm, its fingers, its fingertips, its skin, its hair, its arteries, its nails.

Take a mirror and meditate you face, your eyes, your nose, your lips, your hair, your cheeks, your eyelashes, your brows.

Then tell me:

WHO CREATED YOU?

As I explained, we are the result of natural causes. There is no evidence to the contrary. It appears to me that those who believe in God do so primarily because they were taught this and failed to question it. "God" explained your existence, and that of the universe, in a way that a child can understand. Humans don't like mysteries, they like answers - and the simpler answers are the most appealing. Personally, I'm more interested in TRUTH than simply having "answers."

I answered your question, now you answer mine: did you discover God entirely on your own, or did you simply accept what you were taught, beginning when you were a child? Did you ever question what you were taught? Why do you trust the people who taught you?

I was a believer when I was a child. As I got older I started asking questions about how my teachers could be so sure they were right. You, as a Muslim, surely feel that my Christian teachers were wrong - at least in certain ways (e.g. Jesus being God). What makes you so certain that your teachers were right and mine were wrong? What makes you so certain that ANY human has the correct answers about the supernatural? Why do you consider a supernatural to be needed to explain anything?

Islam is not like Christianity or any other religion. Islam is the only logical religion.
Heaven religions were the same then distorted by man so your old religion becomes a myth but Islam this new and last religion is kept pure for all generations till the end of the world and I have my logical evidence and miracle.
I am not a Muslim because of my parents. I did and do what you say because I have mind and respect my mind so I discuss with you using logic using mind.

You are free to believe this, but I have no reason to accept what you say.

Yes, you are right, there are natural causes and nature is the rules that are applied perfectly and nothing can break these very restrict accurate organized rules.
Now I want a logical answer to this question.

Who set these rules???

I will assume by "rules" you mean the fundamental laws of the universe. These laws simply are what they are. There may be other universes with other laws, so that the laws we have are a product of random chance. Regardless, there's no reason to believe anyone "set them." To suggest the "rules" can only exist if someone creates the rules is no different than saying that nothing can exist unless someone creates it. If you think this proves there's need for a God/creator, then the same logic applies to God: who created him? A superior god? Then who created the superior god? This can go on forever. Clearly something had to be first, and there's no reason to suggest this "first thing" had to be anything supernatural.

[happy forever]

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Imagine you are now a new man with a different mind not affected by any others' thoughts or concepts.

Sit alone, meditate your palm, its fingers, its fingertips, its skin, its hair, its arteries, its nails.

Take a mirror and meditate you face, your eyes, your nose, your lips, your hair, your cheeks, your eyelashes, your brows.

Then tell me:

WHO CREATED YOU?

As I explained, we are the result of natural causes. There is no evidence to the contrary. It appears to me that those who believe in God do so primarily because they were taught this and failed to question it. "God" explained your existence, and that of the universe, in a way that a child can understand. Humans don't like mysteries, they like answers - and the simpler answers are the most appealing. Personally, I'm more interested in TRUTH than simply having "answers."

I answered your question, now you answer mine: did you discover God entirely on your own, or did you simply accept what you were taught, beginning when you were a child? Did you ever question what you were taught? Why do you trust the people who taught you?

I was a believer when I was a child. As I got older I started asking questions about how my teachers could be so sure they were right. You, as a Muslim, surely feel that my Christian teachers were wrong - at least in certain ways (e.g. Jesus being God). What makes you so certain that your teachers were right and mine were wrong? What makes you so certain that ANY human has the correct answers about the supernatural? Why do you consider a supernatural to be needed to explain anything?

Islam is not like Christianity or any other religion. Islam is the only logical religion.
Heaven religions were the same then distorted by man so your old religion becomes a myth but Islam this new and last religion is kept pure for all generations till the end of the world and I have my logical evidence and miracle.
I am not a Muslim because of my parents. I did and do what you say because I have mind and respect my mind so I discuss with you using logic using mind.

You are free to believe this, but I have no reason to accept what you say.

Yes, you are right, there are natural causes and nature is the rules that are applied perfectly and nothing can break these very restrict accurate organized rules.
Now I want a logical answer to this question.

Who set these rules???

I will assume by "rules" you mean the fundamental laws of the universe. These laws simply are what they are. There may be other universes with other laws, so that the laws we have are a product of random chance. Regardless, there's no reason to believe anyone "set them." To suggest the "rules" can only exist if someone creates the rules is no different than saying that nothing can exist unless someone creates it. If you think this proves there's need for a God/creator, then the same logic applies to God: who created him? A superior god? Then who created the superior god? This can go on forever. Clearly something had to be first, and there's no reason to suggest this "first thing" had to be anything supernatural.

Believe this story:
There were no house, but the bricks combined to make it then the doors run to close it then the windows come installed in it then the paint arrived to paint it then the carpets, the curtains, the furniture all settled in its suitable place.
You have too believe that all this happened by itself and randomly.
These inanimate things followed the rules of building a house but they all with no minds so the house was built randomly without a builder nor an organizer only the inanimate things and of course a human can't make this.
This is a very logical answer and it is not a condition that there must be a builder.

The God is The Creator not creature. If god is created then his creator is The God and this creature is not a god.
The One God is without a beginning and without and end. The God is The First and The Last.