atheists pigeon holing muslims

[captainpicard101]

I see at places like http://atheistdiscussion.com that the atheists there like to pigeon hole islam quite a bit. Do you think this is right? Should they not be picking on all religions?




Thank you,

Capt. Picard.


*edit* Sorry I may have posted this in the wrong category, if I have, pls feel free to move it.

[Murad]

They can say whatever they want, surely their sins will be accounted for.

[Goat]

They can say whatever they want, surely their sins will be accounted for.

Unless, of course, there is no god, and therefore the concept of sin is null and void when it comes to 'divine justice'.

[Murad]

They can say whatever they want, surely their sins will be accounted for.

Unless, of course, there is no god, and therefore the concept of sin is null and void when it comes to 'divine justice'.

Yes you are stating the obvious, logically speaking if there is no god, there is no divine justice.

[Goat]

They can say whatever they want, surely their sins will be accounted for.

Unless, of course, there is no god, and therefore the concept of sin is null and void when it comes to 'divine justice'.

Yes you are stating the obvious, logically speaking if there is no god, there is no divine justice.

That's right, I am. And, I don't know an atheist out there that sees any evidence that any deity exists.

[Murad]

They can say whatever they want, surely their sins will be accounted for.

Unless, of course, there is no god, and therefore the concept of sin is null and void when it comes to 'divine justice'.

Yes you are stating the obvious, logically speaking if there is no god, there is no divine justice.

That's right, I am. And, I don't know an atheist out there that sees any evidence that any deity exists.

Yup, thats true. To believe in a deity you need evidence and proof. Im with you 100%, after all, why would you blindly worship a god you doubt?

Now there are many different religions, every one of them differ in various ways.
However, if a deity does exist, only one of these religions can be right. You with me? Its simple logic, because i doubt 2 seperate religions will be right, most likely they will contradict each other in a way.

So lets say there is 1000 different religions, and only 1 can be right, thats 'if' a deity exists.

So how will we know if this deity exist? You must examine the source of the religion from an unbiased perspective and look for SCIENCE and SIGNS.
The source of the religion is the book.

Did you know.

He has let free the two seas meeting to gather. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress.

[Noble Quran 55:19-20]

Clearly states salt water and fresh water does not mix. Scientists have only prooved this many centuries after the Quran.


Scientists say the Quran "must" be divine due to its clear explanation of the development of the embryo(and most of these scientists are christian, so you know its not biased)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y444s-ubn6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGy8GymTwkk



Goat would you like me to start a thread with all the evidences and signs in the quran?

[Goat]

They can say whatever they want, surely their sins will be accounted for.

Unless, of course, there is no god, and therefore the concept of sin is null and void when it comes to 'divine justice'.

Yes you are stating the obvious, logically speaking if there is no god, there is no divine justice.

That's right, I am. And, I don't know an atheist out there that sees any evidence that any deity exists.

Yup, thats true. To believe in a deity you need evidence and proof. Im with you 100%, after all, why would you blindly worship a god you doubt?

Now there are many different religions, every one of them differ in various ways.
However, if a deity does exist, only one of these religions can be right. You with me? Its simple logic, because i doubt 2 seperate religions will be right, most likely they will contradict each other in a way.

So lets say there is 1000 different religions, and only 1 can be right, thats 'if' a deity exists.

So how will we know if this deity exist? You must examine the source of the religion from an unbiased perspective and look for SCIENCE and SIGNS.
The source of the religion is the book.

Did you know.

He has let free the two seas meeting to gather. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress.

[Noble Quran 55:19-20]

Clearly states salt water and fresh water does not mix. Scientists have only prooved this many centuries after the Quran.


Scientists say the Quran "must" be divine due to its clear explanation of the development of the embryo(and most of these scientists are christian, so you know its not biased)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y444s-ubn6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGy8GymTwkk



Goat would you like me to start a thread with all the evidences and signs in the quran?

Now, part of the whole thing with 'signs' is that often it is vague, or retrofitting things after the fact. I have seen claims about the Quran that are the exact sort of claim that right wing Christians make about the bible.

As for the embryo stuff.. well, that is a lot of hooey.. and even some of the scientists that got quote mined about that disagree with it. One of those 'Christian' scientists got paid lots of money to say those things, yet on his web site, he distances himself from those statements.

[Murad]

As for the embryo stuff.. well, that is a lot of hooey.. and even some of the scientists that got quote mined about that disagree with it. One of those 'Christian' scientists got paid lots of money to say those things, yet on his web site, he distances himself from those statements.

For the sake of this discussion i wont comment.

Now, part of the whole thing with 'signs' is that often it is vague, or retrofitting things after the fact. I have seen claims about the Quran that are the exact sort of claim that right wing Christians make about the bible.

Lets not dwell into the bible because i don't know what signs and evidence it claims.

Back to the quran.
I think we have a different perspective on the meaning of vague.

The science of modern cosmology, observational and theoretical, clearly indicates that, at one point in time, the whole universe was nothing but a cloud of 'smoke' (i.e. an opaque highly dense and hot gaseous composition). This is one of the undisputed principles of standard modern cosmology. Scientists now can observe new stars forming out of the remnants of that 'smoke'. The illuminating stars we see at night were, just as was the whole universe, in that 'smoke' material. God said in the Quran:

Then He turned to the heavens when it was smoke... [Noble Quran 41:11]

Because the earth and the heavens above (the sun, moon, stars, planets, galaxies, etc.) have been formed from this same 'smoke' we conclude that the earth and the heavens were one connected entity. Then out of this homogeneous 'smoke', they formed and separated from each other. God said in the Quran:

Have not those who disbelieved known that the heavens and the earth were one connected entity, then We separated them?..
[Noble Quran 21:30]

Yet again i think you have your mind made up so its useless of me continuing.

[Goat]

As for the embryo stuff.. well, that is a lot of hooey.. and even some of the scientists that got quote mined about that disagree with it. One of those 'Christian' scientists got paid lots of money to say those things, yet on his web site, he distances himself from those statements.

For the sake of this discussion i wont comment.

Now, part of the whole thing with 'signs' is that often it is vague, or retrofitting things after the fact. I have seen claims about the Quran that are the exact sort of claim that right wing Christians make about the bible.

Lets not dwell into the bible because i don't know what signs and evidence it claims.

Back to the quran.
I think we have a different perspective on the meaning of vague.

The science of modern cosmology, observational and theoretical, clearly indicates that, at one point in time, the whole universe was nothing but a cloud of 'smoke' (i.e. an opaque highly dense and hot gaseous composition). This is one of the undisputed principles of standard modern cosmology. Scientists now can observe new stars forming out of the remnants of that 'smoke'. The illuminating stars we see at night were, just as was the whole universe, in that 'smoke' material. God said in the Quran:

Then He turned to the heavens when it was smoke... [Noble Quran 41:11]

Because the earth and the heavens above (the sun, moon, stars, planets, galaxies, etc.) have been formed from this same 'smoke' we conclude that the earth and the heavens were one connected entity. Then out of this homogeneous 'smoke', they formed and separated from each other. God said in the Quran:

Have not those who disbelieved known that the heavens and the earth were one connected entity, then We separated them?..
[Noble Quran 21:30]

Yet again i think you have your mind made up so its useless of me continuing.

Well, i see the same pattern emerging with your claims about the Quran, you see huge similarities in vague references. That is typical of religious claims

I believe there was a whole thread on the embryo claim too.. and that same pattern arose there..and was discussed in depth.

[Murad]

I believe there was a whole thread on the embryo claim too.. and that same pattern arose there..and was discussed in depth.

How can you discuss something in depth if its vague?