Islam says Jesus was not crucified

[cholland]

Surah 4:157 - And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.

Is this true of Muslims? Jesus was not crucified?

[TrueReligion]

Read it complete please, I can;t post it here its very huge amount of text.

Quote the most salient point that you feel supports your assertion.

I guess that is required from you, because as per you Jesus was cruxified, and I posted he was'nt, so its ur turn,
and please dont role the dice over to me, you have to answer atleast 1 time.

Its your assertion that something contained within your googled link refutes Jesus' crucifixion.

Thus, where is it?

Y everything seems to you as googled link? u think people here dont have knowledge of their own? or you just know how to run from questions without answering them?

http://www.jamaat.net/crux/Crux1-5.html

Waiting for your answer now.

4.157....again?!

We have already been over this one-hit wonder ayah, brother....and it is not a denial of Jesus' cricifixion until death upon the cross. If it was, then it would contradict other passages in the Koran.

Basing an entire theology upon one, single, solitary verse is just plain poor theology, brother...

Once more you skip the question, answer please the link provided on your request

[Apple Pie]

Once more you skip the question, answer please the link provided on your request

Done.

4.157 has already been covered, brother.

Islam bases an entire theology upon a single word in a single verse.

[TrueReligion]

Once more you skip the question, answer please the link provided on your request

Done.

4.157 has already been covered, brother.

Islam bases an entire theology upon a single word in a single verse.

We are not talking about the verse here, we are discussing about the Link you asked to read, and justify your claim , if you say that Jeses was crucified.

[Apple Pie]

Once more you skip the question, answer please the link provided on your request

Done.

4.157 has already been covered, brother.

Islam bases an entire theology upon a single word in a single verse.

We are not talking about the verse here, we are discussing about the Link you asked to read, and justify your claim , if you say that Jeses was crucified.

4.157 is front and center in the link that you provided, brother...

[TrueReligion]

Once more you skip the question, answer please the link provided on your request

Done.

4.157 has already been covered, brother.

Islam bases an entire theology upon a single word in a single verse.

We are not talking about the verse here, we are discussing about the Link you asked to read, and justify your claim , if you say that Jeses was crucified.

4.157 is front and center in the link that you provided, brother...

This was not the link provided Apple_Pie, checkk my post # 4

http://www.jamaat.net/crux/Crux1-5.html

\Still your answer is not provided for any of the question, its keep on proving that Jesus was not crucifiedd.

[Apple Pie]

Once more you skip the question, answer please the link provided on your request

Done.

4.157 has already been covered, brother.

Islam bases an entire theology upon a single word in a single verse.

We are not talking about the verse here, we are discussing about the Link you asked to read, and justify your claim , if you say that Jeses was crucified.

4.157 is front and center in the link that you provided, brother...

This was not the link provided Apple_Pie, checkk my post # 4

http://www.jamaat.net/crux/Crux1-5.html

\Still your answer is not provided for any of the question, its keep on proving that Jesus was not crucifiedd.

Its the same link with the same 4.157 ayah, brother.

Did you bother to read it when you googled it?

[TrueReligion]

Once more you skip the question, answer please the link provided on your request

Done.

4.157 has already been covered, brother.

Islam bases an entire theology upon a single word in a single verse.

We are not talking about the verse here, we are discussing about the Link you asked to read, and justify your claim , if you say that Jeses was crucified.

4.157 is front and center in the link that you provided, brother...

This was not the link provided Apple_Pie, checkk my post # 4

http://www.jamaat.net/crux/Crux1-5.html

\Still your answer is not provided for any of the question, its keep on proving that Jesus was not crucifiedd.

Its the same link with the same 4.157 ayah, brother.

Did you bother to read it when you googled it?

Ok, Here you admit that Jesus was not crucifiedd, and Quran is correct in its claim.
Problem solved:)
Thanks Apple_pie for solving the mystery.

[Apple Pie]

Ok, Here you admit that Jesus was not crucifiedd, and Quran is correct in its claim.
Problem solved:)
Thanks Apple_pie for solving the mystery.

What Arabic word(s) in 4.157 make you think that Jesus was not crucified?


وقولهم إنا قتلنا المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول
الله وما قتلوه وما صلبوه ولكن شبه لهم وإن
الذين اختل�وا �يه ل�ي شك منه ما لهم به من علم
إلا اتباع الظن وما قتلوه يقينا

[TrueReligion]

Ok, Here you admit that Jesus was not crucifiedd, and Quran is correct in its claim.
Problem solved:)
Thanks Apple_pie for solving the mystery.

What Arabic word(s) in 4.157 make you think that Jesus was not crucified?


وقولهم إنا قتلنا المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول
الله وما قتلوه وما صلبوه ولكن شبه لهم وإن
الذين اختل�وا �يه ل�ي شك منه ما لهم به من علم
إلا اتباع الظن وما قتلوه يقينا

Let me help other users understand what does this mean.

Full context start from 4:153 as
"The People of the Book ask you to bring down for them a book from Heaven. From Moses they demanded an even harder miracle than that. They asked him: "Make us see Allah with our own eyes." As a result of their wickedness, the thunderbolt overtook them. Then they took the calf for worship after receiving clear revelations. After all that, We still pardoned them and gave to Moses clear authority.[153]
We lifted the mount of Tur over them and took the covenant from them that they will obey Our commandments. On another occasion We commanded them to enter the gates prostrating in humility. Yet on another occasion We commanded them not to transgress in the matter of the Sabbath and took a solemn commitment from them.[154]
After all this, they still broke their covenant, rejected the Revelation of Allah,
killed the Prophets unjustly. Yet they say: "Our hearts are in secure wrappings which have preserved Allah’s Word; we need no more." Nay! It is Allah who has sealed their hearts on account of their disbelief. They have no faith except a little.[155]
They went in their unbelief to such an extent that they uttered terrible slander against Mary.[156]
They even say: "We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the
Messenger of Allah." Whereas in fact, neither did they kill him nor did they crucify him but they thought they did because the matter was made dubious for them. Those who differ therein are only in doubt. They have no real knowledge, they follow nothing but merely a conjecture, certainly they did not kill him (Jesus).[157] Nay! The fact is that Allah took him up to Himself. Allah is Mighty, Wise.[158] There is none of the People of the Book but will believe in this fact before his death; and on the Day of Resurrection Jesus will bear witness against them.[159] 4:[153-159]

Thanks Apple_Pie for helping us all out in this by quoting the correct verse of Quran, which clearly denies the crucifiction of Jesus(Peace be Upo Him)

[Apple Pie]

Ok, Here you admit that Jesus was not crucifiedd, and Quran is correct in its claim.
Problem solved:)
Thanks Apple_pie for solving the mystery.

What Arabic word(s) in 4.157 make you think that Jesus was not crucified?


وقولهم إنا قتلنا المسيح عيسى ابن مريم رسول
الله وما قتلوه وما صلبوه ولكن شبه لهم وإن
الذين اختل�وا �يه ل�ي شك منه ما لهم به من علم
إلا اتباع الظن وما قتلوه يقينا

Let me help other users understand what does this mean.

Full context start from 4:153 as
"The People of the Book ask you to bring down for them a book from Heaven. From Moses they demanded an even harder miracle than that. They asked him: "Make us see Allah with our own eyes." As a result of their wickedness, the thunderbolt overtook them. Then they took the calf for worship after receiving clear revelations. After all that, We still pardoned them and gave to Moses clear authority.[153]
We lifted the mount of Tur over them and took the covenant from them that they will obey Our commandments. On another occasion We commanded them to enter the gates prostrating in humility. Yet on another occasion We commanded them not to transgress in the matter of the Sabbath and took a solemn commitment from them.[154]
After all this, they still broke their covenant, rejected the Revelation of Allah,
killed the Prophets unjustly. Yet they say: "Our hearts are in secure wrappings which have preserved Allah’s Word; we need no more." Nay! It is Allah who has sealed their hearts on account of their disbelief. They have no faith except a little.[155]
They went in their unbelief to such an extent that they uttered terrible slander against Mary.[156]
They even say: "We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the
Messenger of Allah." Whereas in fact, neither did they kill him nor did they crucify him but they thought they did because the matter was made dubious for them. Those who differ therein are only in doubt. They have no real knowledge, they follow nothing but merely a conjecture, certainly they did not kill him (Jesus).[157] Nay! The fact is that Allah took him up to Himself. Allah is Mighty, Wise.[158] There is none of the People of the Book but will believe in this fact before his death; and on the Day of Resurrection Jesus will bear witness against them.[159] 4:[153-159]

Thanks Apple_Pie for helping us all out in this by quoting the correct verse of Quran, which clearly denies the crucifiction of Jesus(Peace be Upo Him)

You skipped the question entirely.

We don't need more googled English renderings, brother.

We need you to show the pivital Arabic words in this ayah which cause you to think that this is a crucifixion denial.

Can you do this?