"The Buddha described Nirvana as the perfect peace of the state of mind that is free from craving, anger and other afflictive states (kilesas)." -Wikipedia
Wouldn't Nirvana in itself be a craving?
Is Buddhism logical?
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Goat
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Re: Is Buddhism logical?
Post #2No.. but desiring Nirvana would be.cholland wrote:"The Buddha described Nirvana as the perfect peace of the state of mind that is free from craving, anger and other afflictive states (kilesas)." -Wikipedia
Wouldn't Nirvana in itself be a craving?
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
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Post #3Yah, I guess that's what I meant. Is that not illogical? You must have a craving to rid yourself of cravings.goat wrote:No.. but desiring Nirvana would be.
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Re: Is Buddhism logical?
Post #4That's why so few people have reached "enlightenment"cholland wrote:Yah, I guess that's what I meant. Is that not illogical? You must have a craving to rid yourself of cravings.goat wrote:No.. but desiring Nirvana would be.
When someone is well on the way to achieve that, they can suddenly look at themself and say 'Pretty good', and the good old "PRIDE" issue comes up and slaps them in the back.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
Steven Novella
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Post #5But I'm arguing that NO ONE can reach Nirvana because it's illogical. Nirvana is to have no desires, yet you have to desire Nirvana in order to get there.goat wrote:That's why so few people have reached "enlightenment"
When someone is well on the way to achieve that, they can suddenly look at themself and say 'Pretty good', and the good old "PRIDE" issue comes up and slaps them in the back.
Keep in mind, though, that I know little about Buddhism so this is simply for my knowledge.
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Re: Is Buddhism logical?
Post #6I don't know if anybody can read 'nirvanah or not'.. never having met someone who was truly enlightened.cholland wrote:But I'm arguing that NO ONE can reach Nirvana because it's illogical. Nirvana is to have no desires, yet you have to desire Nirvana in order to get there.goat wrote:That's why so few people have reached "enlightenment"
When someone is well on the way to achieve that, they can suddenly look at themself and say 'Pretty good', and the good old "PRIDE" issue comes up and slaps them in the back.
Keep in mind, though, that I know little about Buddhism so this is simply for my knowledge.
I don't know if anybody can be 'saved' or not either.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
Steven Novella
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Post #7I'm not talking about specific people. I'm talking about the logic behind it.goat wrote:I don't know if anybody can read 'nirvanah or not'.. never having met someone who was truly enlightened.
I don't know if anybody can be 'saved' or not either.
And I'm not talking about Christianity either.
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Re: Is Buddhism logical?
Post #8Logic of religious claims often escapes me.. and one should not throw stones when one lives in a glass house.cholland wrote:I'm not talking about specific people. I'm talking about the logic behind it.goat wrote:I don't know if anybody can read 'nirvanah or not'.. never having met someone who was truly enlightened.
I don't know if anybody can be 'saved' or not either.
And I'm not talking about Christianity either.
The logic behind removing all desires is as logical as the reasoning behind the concept of 'salvation'.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�
Steven Novella
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Post #9Sooooo, it is or isn't? Maybe I should wait for a Buddhist.goat wrote:Logic of religious claims often escapes me.. and one should not throw stones when one lives in a glass house.
The logic behind removing all desires is as logical as the reasoning behind the concept of 'salvation'.
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Post #10I understand that Buddha encouraged skepticism, disregarding faith. I know that some find him a humanist.
To that extent , one can find him better than Yeshua [Issa], but karma and reincarnation rank as nonsense.
Buddhims qualifies as an atheistic religion, albeit a former Pm. of Japan said it has many gods. What is the latest information on that?
To that extent , one can find him better than Yeshua [Issa], but karma and reincarnation rank as nonsense.
Buddhims qualifies as an atheistic religion, albeit a former Pm. of Japan said it has many gods. What is the latest information on that?
