Will babies who have died automatically be saved?
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Will babies who have died automatically be saved?
Post #1Will babies who have died automatically be saved, go to Heaven and get eternal life?
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Quite right. I believe it's rather uniformly decided that the Bible has nothing to say on the matter. There's also some controversy over those born and died before Christ. They're in the same situation, I believe.Celsus wrote:But that's only the Catholics and it's not based on the Bible, right?transient wrote:Lookup up "Limbo of Infants" and while you're at it, baptism of desire and baptism of blood.Celsus wrote:So Christians actually don't have a common view/doctrine on this?
The Roman Catholic church has a number of ways to satisfy grieving parents and lovers when they know that whomever the knew has died without being in a state of grace.
You can get views from other prominent Christian sects with a quick search or two.
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McCulloch wrote:The Bible is pretty silent on this topic. Go ahead and make up any answer that is consistent with the rest of your theology and you're good to go.
They do not get such a teaching from the Bible.Metatron wrote:I'm under the impression that some variations of Christianity believe that the baby has to be slam dunked in a pool of water before the baby is "safe".
Metatron wrote:Perhaps someone with a better understanding of baptism than me can clarify this.
This is my understanding of what the Bible teaches about who is the proper subject of baptism. I am not sure that you can extend Jesus' remark that you must become as little children to mean that children are without sin.Samwise wrote:Paul wrote "I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died." Romans 7:9 ESV. The only time this could have been true of Paul would be when he was a baby and didn't yet know the difference between right and wrong. We are born with a tendency to do evil but we can't actually sin until we are mature enough to know what we should do, so anyone who dies during this time isn't guilty of sin. Jesus said that we must be converted and become like little children in order to enter the kingdom of heaven and this could not be true unless little children were innocent.
Some Christian groups teach that babies must be baptized, but the Bible teaches that baptism is the way those who have repented and been forgiven publicly declare that they are now followers of Christ.
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Haven't you heard about the invisible man in the sky?Celsus wrote:Chosen by whom, when and on what criteria?InTheFlesh wrote:If a baby is not chosen,
age of death matters not.
Age has nothing to do with seed type.
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I have. But when does he choose the babies and on which criteria?InTheFlesh wrote:Haven't you heard about the invisible man in the sky?Celsus wrote:Chosen by whom, when and on what criteria?InTheFlesh wrote:If a baby is not chosen,
age of death matters not.
Age has nothing to do with seed type.
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Saved? Saved from what? Babies don't know nuttin' except gimme, gimme, gimme
IMO, a deceased baby has been saved from a life on this spinning rock.
IMO, a deceased baby has been saved from a life on this spinning rock.
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InTheFlesh wrote:Haven't you heard about the invisible man in the sky?Celsus wrote:Chosen by whom, when and on what criteria?InTheFlesh wrote:If a baby is not chosen,
age of death matters not.
Age has nothing to do with seed type.
See? God chooses whom he chooses arbitrarily before they are born.Romans 9:13-15 wrote:Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED."
What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be!
For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION."
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
First Epistle to the Church of the Thessalonians
The truth will make you free.
Gospel of John
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Ok, so we know know the WHEN. The only element missing is the WHY (or the criteria of selection) then. Any ideas?McCulloch wrote:InTheFlesh wrote:Haven't you heard about the invisible man in the sky?Celsus wrote:Chosen by whom, when and on what criteria?InTheFlesh wrote:If a baby is not chosen,
age of death matters not.
Age has nothing to do with seed type.See? God chooses whom he chooses arbitrarily before they are born.Romans 9:13-15 wrote:Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED."
What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be!
For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION."
I have the answer
Post #18I have your answer for babies read 2 Samuel 12:19-24 and you will see how King David rejoiced when his baby died and mark 10:14....
But when Yahshua saw it, he was much displeased and said unto them allow the CHILDREN to come unto me and forbid not; for OF SUCH IS THE KINGDOM OF ELOHIM
But when Yahshua saw it, he was much displeased and said unto them allow the CHILDREN to come unto me and forbid not; for OF SUCH IS THE KINGDOM OF ELOHIM
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The answer is found in that same chapter.Celsus wrote:Ok, so we know know the WHEN. The only element missing is the WHY (or the criteria of selection) then. Any ideas?McCulloch wrote:InTheFlesh wrote:Haven't you heard about the invisible man in the sky?Celsus wrote:Chosen by whom, when and on what criteria?InTheFlesh wrote:If a baby is not chosen,
age of death matters not.
Age has nothing to do with seed type.See? God chooses whom he chooses arbitrarily before they are born.Romans 9:13-15 wrote:Just as it is written, "JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED."
What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be!
For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION."
"So then He has mercy on whomever He wills, and He hardens whomever He wills."-Romans 9:18.
It's going to seem arbitrary to us, but the secret things belong to God (Deut. 29:29).
"Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded."-Romans 3:27. It's certainly not based on anything in us, or we'd have reason to boast. It's based on God's inscrutable decree, which He does not reveal to us.
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One interesting answer I've heard regarding this issue has to do with Romans 1:18:Celsus wrote:I have. But when does he choose the babies and on which criteria?InTheFlesh wrote:Haven't you heard about the invisible man in the sky?Celsus wrote:Chosen by whom, when and on what criteria?InTheFlesh wrote:If a baby is not chosen,
age of death matters not.
Age has nothing to do with seed type.
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against allungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth"-Romans 1:18.
It's argued that babies don't have sophisticated enough cognitive or volitional faculties to suppress the truth, so this doesn't apply to them, and they're saved. Who knows though.