basics

[umair]

we talk about the details , of religions, and that too mostly from what most of us percieve from our reading through the net, leave it for a while.

lets come back to the basics, and clear them first.

here are some questions, that i have raised many times , but have mostly been neglected by the debators.

FOR CHRISTIANS,

1)CAN GOD COMMIT MISTAKES , AND AFTER THAT ,SUFFER AT THE HANDS OF HIS MISTAKES.

well this is clear from the christian theory, that god took away all burden of sin ,on his crucifiction, now dont say that sin was not a creation of god, otherwise unwantingly you will lead to the creation of another bad/evil god.
ie:was god unaware that if he is creating evil, then he will himself have to take its burden, and that too at the cost of his own so called death.

2)IN THE BIBLE THE CHRIST DOSEN,T CALLS HIMSELF THE SON OF GOD, but calls god as'ABBA'(ie:protector or guardian), then why do the christians project him as one.

3)NIETHER DOES HE CALLS HIMSELF AS GOD, and mostly references which project him as a messenger are found.

4)IF GOD ANYHOW HAD TO COME TO THE EARTH,AND SHOW SUPERNATURAL THINGS, THEN HE WOULD HAVE DIRECTLY DECENDED TO THE EARTH, INSTEAD FROM THE WOMB OF A LADY.
ETC


FOR JEWS,

WELL ,they are a totally diverted community, who consider god to be bound to serve them only, what to speak more of!


INDIAN RELIGIONS,

WELL THEY ARE ALL BOUND BY SUPERNATURAL BEINGS AND THEIR STORIES, AND MOST OF THE INDIAN RELIGIONS ARE A MERE REFORM FROM THE THEN PREVAILING CONDITIONS, BY SOME NOBLE MEN, WHO WERE LATER WORSHIPPED, FOR THEIR PEACE OF THOUGHT.


AND YES I LEAVE ISLAM,UNTO YOU, BECAUSE THAT IS MY PART OF THE DEBATE.

[umair]

goat

Do you, You mean you never mentioned '“There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.” ...?? That is a prayer you know.

i always mention that , but that dosent mean praying to muhammed(saw)(inauzubillah).

this is a testimonial of my faith, or the faith of any muslim.

Never the less, it seems to me that you are rationalizing it. You make a statement of devotion, and you have to mention Mohammad. The riots about cartoons and things are people going nuts about 'insults to Mohammad' , not Allah. It appears from the outside looking in that Mohammad means more than Allah.

well that,s because as he was our a messenger for humanity, and we respect him more than any other human being on the face of the earth .

[umair]

goat
How often when you pray, you mention Allah alone, and don't mention Mohammad

whenever i pray, i pray to allah(swt) alone.
muhammed(saw), came just to convey his messege,and alhamdullilah did that successfully.


and apart from this in a part of the namaz we recite verses from the quran(any verse)
and that may contain the name of any of the 24 messengers of allah (swt), that are mentioned in the quran.but those names are in reference of the quran. and in no way mean that we are praying to any one of them(may allah forbid. inauzubillah).

Do you, You mean you never mentioned '“There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.” ...?? That is a prayer you know.

i always mention that , but that dosent mean praying to muhammed(saw)(inauzubillah).

this is a testimonial of my faith, or the faith of any muslim.

Never the less, it seems to me that you are rationalizing it. You make a statement of devotion, and you have to mention Mohammad. The riots about cartoons and things are people going nuts about 'insults to Mohammad' , not Allah. It appears from the outside looking in that Mohammad means more than Allah.

well that,s because as he was our a messenger for humanity, and we respect him more than any other human being on the face of the earth .

[umair]

goat
How often when you pray, you mention Allah alone, and don't mention Mohammad

whenever i pray, i pray to allah(swt) alone.
muhammed(saw), came just to convey his messege,and alhamdullilah did that successfully.


and apart from this in a part of the namaz we recite verses from the quran(any verse)
and that may contain the name of any of the 24 messengers of allah (swt), that are mentioned in the quran.but those names are in reference of the quran. and in no way mean that we are praying to any one of them(may allah forbid. inauzubillah).

Do you, You mean you never mentioned '“There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.” ...?? That is a prayer you know.

i always mention that , but that dosent mean praying to muhammed(saw)(inauzubillah).

this is a testimonial of my faith, or the faith of any muslim.

Never the less, it seems to me that you are rationalizing it. You make a statement of devotion, and you have to mention Mohammad. The riots about cartoons and things are people going nuts about 'insults to Mohammad' , not Allah. It appears from the outside looking in that Mohammad means more than Allah.

well that,s because as he was a messenger for humanity, and we respect him more than any other human being on the face of the earth .

[Goat]

goat

Do you, You mean you never mentioned '“There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.” ...?? That is a prayer you know.

i always mention that , but that dosent mean praying to muhammed(saw)(inauzubillah).

this is a testimonial of my faith, or the faith of any muslim.

Never the less, it seems to me that you are rationalizing it. You make a statement of devotion, and you have to mention Mohammad. The riots about cartoons and things are people going nuts about 'insults to Mohammad' , not Allah. It appears from the outside looking in that Mohammad means more than Allah.

well that,s because as he was our a messenger for humanity, and we respect him more than any other human being on the face of the earth .

Yes, and you respect him by mentioning him in the prayers, this is known as 'worshiping'

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

Please note, as I’ve mentioned elsewhere to carolineislands, that the act of calling down supplications upon Muhammad forms a MANDATORY part of the prayers to allah. If you don’t include them then you haven’t prayed properly and allah does not accept your prayers!

This to me seems like worshipping both allah AND Muhammad.

[umair]

goat

Do you, You mean you never mentioned '“There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.” ...?? That is a prayer you know.

i always mention that , but that dosent mean praying to muhammed(saw)(inauzubillah).

this is a testimonial of my faith, or the faith of any muslim.

Never the less, it seems to me that you are rationalizing it. You make a statement of devotion, and you have to mention Mohammad. The riots about cartoons and things are people going nuts about 'insults to Mohammad' , not Allah. It appears from the outside looking in that Mohammad means more than Allah.

well that,s because as he was our a messenger for humanity, and we respect him more than any other human being on the face of the earth .

Yes, and you respect him by mentioning him in the prayers, this is known as 'worshiping'

as i have already mentioned , that the namaz could include the name of any of the 24 messengers(may peace be upon all of them), who have been mentioned by name in the quran. but that dosent mean praying to them,
because namaz as a whole is not a prayer to allah, infact it includes many things.

As within the namaz there are several verses in which we ask from allah, several in which we praise him, and several in which we bow before him,and apart from this we also testify that we consider muhammed(saw)as his messenger, and we also recite verses from the quran,which can have a different meaning.

so the namaz as a whole is an order from allah,which partly includes praying to him.
and it is a practice that after offering the namaz we spread our hands and then pray to him, and ask him for his mercy and forgiveness for our sins, which we might have indulged into knowingly or unknowingly.etc