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what does islam say abot terrorism ?

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Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism. In the Quran, God has said:

“God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers.” (Quran 60:8)

The Prophet Muhammad, may God praise him, used to prohibit soldiers from killing women and children,[1] and he would advise them: “...Do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.”[2] And he also said: “Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years.”[3]

Also, the Prophet Muhammad has forbidden punishment with fire.[4]

He once listed murder as the second of the major sins,[5] and he even warned that on the Day of Judgment, “The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed.[6]”[7]

Muslims are even encouraged to be kind to animals and are forbidden to hurt them. Once the Prophet Muhammad said: “A woman was punished because she imprisoned a cat until it died. On account of this, she was doomed to Hell. While she imprisoned it, she did not give the cat food or drink, nor did she free it to eat the insects of the earth.”[8]

He also said that a man gave a very thirsty dog a drink, so God forgave his sins for this action. The Prophet, may God praise him, was asked, “Messenger of God, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?” He said: “There is a reward for kindness to every living animal or human.”[9]

Additionally, while taking the life of an animal for food, Muslims are commanded to do so in a manner that causes the least amount of fright and suffering possible. The Prophet Muhammad said: “When you slaughter an animal, do so in the best way. One should sharpen his knife to reduce the suffering of the animal.”[10]

In light of these and other Islamic texts, the act of inciting terror in the hearts of defenseless civilians, the wholesale destruction of buildings and properties, the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all forbidden and detestable acts according to Islam and the Muslims. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the vast majority have nothing to do with the violent events some have associated with Muslims. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the laws of Islam.


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McCulloch wrote:How do we know this?
CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:it found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus.
you have to belive that because allah told you in torah and gospel and quraan and jesus said that too (written in quraan) you have to search about islamic religion because it is the truth
But I don't believe the Torah, the Gospel, the Qur’ân or Jesus. You must have me mistaken for one of the Christians. You might be able to show that Islam makes more sense than Christianity or Judaism. To me that is not much of a hurdle and is not terribly relevant.
Why do you believe that there is a God? Why do you believe that the Qur’ân is a revelation from that God?

some proofs:
he said when the resurrection become soon there will be a very huge buildings
I really have no idea what this sentence means. Perhaps you could get one of your friends who is more proficient in English to rephrase it.
he looked to the moon then the moon become two parts then it back and that is happened front all of arabs in that night ( it is in quraan ) and before few years ago space men found the moon two parts and half of them became a muslims
Please provide a few names of these space men.
and there is so many examples...etc
If you provide too many more examples of this kind of proof, it will be difficult to not laugh.
because you can not read arabic you will never know how much is it different
note : most of arabs before 1400 years became muslims because they surbrised of quraan they said : we have never seen like this book
(and thats because it is written by god allah)
OK, I'll just have to take your word on it. Even if I were to learn Arabic, I would not gain a sufficient level of proficiency to discern good Arabic from bad. Why would a universal God of all creation choose to communicate only in one language to humans?

This includes child rape?
i do not know what are you talking about !! it is not clear (rape) :-k
How old was Mohammed's youngest wife when he wed her?

Have you ever heard of the True Scotsman fallacy?
no iam sorry
You really should learn to Google and to Wiki.
Antony Flew in his 1975 book [i]Thinking About Thinking – or do I sincerely want to be right?.[/i] wrote:Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with his Glasgow Morning Herald and seeing an article about how the "Brighton Sex Maniac Strikes Again." Hamish is shocked and declares that "No Scotsman would do such a thing." The next day he sits down to read his Glasgow Morning Herald again and this time finds an article about an Aberdeen man whose brutal actions make the Brighton sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that Hamish was wrong in his opinion but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says, "No true Scotsman would do such a thing."

For the argument, it is important that Brighton is in England and Aberdeen is in Scotland.
You said, "Nor has there every been a man on earth whom is still followed in all his doings by those who believe in him."
If I were to point out to you a few former Muslims, you would only argue that they probably weren't true Muslims in the first place. The real truth is that there have been people, men and women, who have sincerely tried to be good Muslims and to follow all that Mohammad taught, only to be convinced later that this is error.
McCulloch... pease think about it before you die and then the sorry will never be useful .. do you know something the disbelievers will cry and weep till they bleed from their eyes after the judgment day because the are so sorry because they heard the real but they does not believe
please
McCulloch
think about it
it is so clear

good bye
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I am here. I will continue to think about these things, even though you show no evidence that you have thoroughly thought about these things yourself. If I am to continue to exist after my death, I don't want to be in torment, or sorrowful or whatever other bad things that various people who believe in a supernatural God say that will happen to me. But I cannot believe those things that you say without a shred of valid evidence. There are so many false prophets and liars about these things, I have to be very careful to separate the wheat from the chaff. So far there has been only chaff.
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you have to know that there is jihad and there is a terrorism
jihad muslims are do that for allah they kill warrior people or people who helps warriors
but terrorists are not good muslims and there is non-muslims terrorists too
soterrorism are not in islamic religion as i said in first of this page

and about iraq there is a non-muslims and they call them silves muslims but they are not
so most of that people who call their silves muslims are hellping americans to kill that poors and i have so many pictures and videos i can give them to you if you like
so they must be killed just like american who went to iraq to kill them Ooh come on wyvern that is so clear they are the real terrorists
till when?????????? you want to said no !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

iam asking you to hug islam because i know that you know every thing about it but you do not want to hug it because sheitan (satan ) who whispers into hearts always tell you not to believe in islam
Now you are tying yourself in knots, terrorism is a tactic and it just so happens it is the favored tactic of your jihadist muslims. So by your own words they should kill themselves because they are warriors that are killing muslims. You sound just like christian fundamentalists always trying to winnow down the numbers of "true" followers but in this case you are trying to have it both ways. You say no good muslim is a terrorist but your jihadists that you say are good use terrorism which by you makes them nonmuslims and worthy of nothing but death. Your religion seems to be awfully bloody minded. By the way you do know that the vast majority of americans in Iraq are not combat troops instead they are construction engineers and medics trying to rebuild and give care in short they are trying to limit the damage your brave jihadis are doing.

As I have said before my knowledge of Islam is rather limited and there are no supernatural entities whispering to me. On the other hand you give me no reason whatsoever for embracing Islam, in fact if what you say is representative of the average muslim(and I sincerely hope it isn't) then you have more given damning evidence against its continued existance.

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carolineislands wrote:
you misunderstand him

yes he is right ,, if there any body gets in your country for war and he trying to kill you and kill your family you must be a terrorist ( that what non muslims call it )
you have to kill the one who trying to kill you because you are a real muslim you are not a chicken
and you must listen to all of that film to know what is he meant
that video is not enough

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McCulloch wrote:
McCulloch wrote:How do we know this?
CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:it found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus.
you have to belive that because allah told you in torah and gospel and quraan and jesus said that too (written in quraan) you have to search about islamic religion because it is the truth
But I don't believe the Torah, the Gospel, the Qur’ân or Jesus. You must have me mistaken for one of the Christians. You might be able to show that Islam makes more sense than Christianity or Judaism. To me that is not much of a hurdle and is not terribly relevant.

yes you are right you do not have to believe what people change but when you read torah and gospel which from god with no changes you will find it
and i promise you that i will bring some proofs for you because i want to save you

Why do you believe that there is a God? Why do you believe that the Qur’ân is a revelation from that God?

some proofs:
he said when the resurrection become soon there will be a very huge buildings
I really have no idea what this sentence means. Perhaps you could get one of your friends who is more proficient in English to rephrase it.
he looked to the moon then the moon become two parts then it back and that is happened front all of arabs in that night ( it is in quraan ) and before few years ago space men found the moon two parts and half of them became a muslims
Please provide a few names of these space men.

and there is so many examples...etc
If you provide too many more examples of this kind of proof, it will be difficult to not laugh.

like i said before i,ll bring some proofs for you to help you because i love all of you people

because you can not read arabic you will never know how much is it different
note : most of arabs before 1400 years became muslims because they surbrised of quraan they said : we have never seen like this book
(and thats because it is written by god allah)
OK, I'll just have to take your word on it. Even if I were to learn Arabic, I would not gain a sufficient level of proficiency to discern good Arabic from bad. Why would a universal God of all creation choose to communicate only in one language to humans?


you must not know arabic very will ( i can not speak arabic very will but iam muslim) so you just have to believe .. ( there is no god but allah and mohammed is the messenger and jesus is a messenger too ) when you belive these words you will be a muslim and allah will love you


This includes child rape?
i do not know what are you talking about !! it is not clear (rape) :-k
How old was Mohammed's youngest wife when he wed her?

she is (aeshah) and she were 9 years
do you know
the medicals said people who live in a very hot weather they become adults very early
so she became adult when she were 9 years
he marry (khadijah ) when she were 40 years and he was 20 years
so that is not really ,, but in cold weathers 9 years is a kid


Have you ever heard of the True Scotsman fallacy?
no iam sorry
You really should learn to Google and to Wake.
Antony Flew in his 1975 book [i]Thinking About Thinking – or do I sincerely want to be right?.[/i] wrote:Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with his Glasgow Morning Herald and seeing an article about how the "Brighton Sex Maniac Strikes Again." Hamish is shocked and declares that "No Scotsman would do such a thing." The next day he sits down to read his Glasgow Morning Herald again and this time finds an article about an Aberdeen man whose brutal actions make the Brighton sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that Hamish was wrong in his opinion but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says, "No true Scotsman would do such a thing."

For the argument, it is important that Brighton is in England and Aberdeen is in Scotland.

still do not know what are you talking about !!

You said, "Nor has there every been a man on earth whom is still followed in all his doings by those who believe in him."
If I were to point out to you a few former Muslims, you would only argue that they probably weren't true Muslims in the first place. The real truth is that there have been people, men and women, who have sincerely tried to be good Muslims and to follow all that Mohammed taught, only to be convinced later that this is error.

muslims must follow him but sometimes ( some of them ) do forbidens and allah may forgive them or may be not but allah said ( allah forgiving any forbeddins but who make another partner with allah )




McCulloch... pease think about it before you die and then the sorry will never be useful .. do you know something the disbelievers will cry and weep till they bleed from their eyes after the judgment day because the are so sorry because they heard the real but they does not believe
please
McCulloch
think about it
it is so clear

good bye
McCulloch
I am here. I will continue to think about these things, even though you show no evidence that you have thoroughly thought about these things yourself. If I am to continue to exist after my death, I don't want to be in torment, or sorrowful or whatever other bad things that various people who believe in a supernatural God say that will happen to me. But I cannot believe those things that you say without a shred of valid evidence. There are so many false prophets and liars about these things, I have to be very careful to separate the wheat from the chaff. So far there has been only chaff.

every thing i talk about is an evidence and i will bring some proofs to you ( may allah )

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McCulloch .. i do not know how to make quoting like you so i,ll talk with you with no quotes

will.. torah and gospel are changed by human and that so bad it is written by allah allah sent gospel to jesus
so it is written in the real book which had never changed
but allah promised to make quraan safe and no body can change any thing till the judgment day
so you must read it


and about rape !!!

that is so bad to say like that
mohammed peace be upon him never rape any body please do not talk about him like that just please ok?

his wife who you talking about is ( aeshah) she were 9 years old
medicals said people who live in hot area becoming adult earlier than cold places

so she is adult and that time
and she loved him so much and she is the mother of believers

and about evidence >> okay i,ll bring more and more just for you

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Let me get this straight...

You're claiming that a 9 year old child was actually an adult because she lived in a hot climate.

I'm lost for words.
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Dans tes ailes blanches,
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CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:McCulloch .. i do not know how to make quoting like you so i,ll talk with you with no quotes
No problem. This is about ideas not about style. However, if you wish to learn there is a Quick BBCode Tutorial
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CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:will.. torah and gospel are changed by human and that so bad it is written by allah allah sent gospel to jesus
so it is written in the real book which had never changed
but allah promised to make quraan safe and no body can change any thing till the judgment day
so you must read it
Let me get this straight. God sent the Torah to humans and humans changed it. God sent the Gospels to humans and humans changed it. God sent the Qu'ran to humans and humans were not allowed to change it. Why would God make two mistakes before getting it right? I really am willing to look at Islam and the possibility that it is true, but you make it look ridiculous.
CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote: and about rape !!!

that is so bad to say like that
mohammed peace be upon him never rape any body please do not talk about him like that just please ok?
I have heard how Muslims deal with those who they feel have said bad things about the Noble Prophet Mohammad (peace and Allah's blessing be upon him forever). You frighten me. I'll try not to say anything disrespectful about him again, if you will just allow me to live. It is a good thing for Theo van Gogh and Salman Rushdie that Islam is a peaceful and forgiving religion that tolerates free speech and answers rationally honest criticism.
CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:his wife who you talking about is ( aeshah) she were 9 years old
medicals said people who live in hot area becoming adult earlier than cold places

so she is adult and that time
and she loved him so much and she is the mother of believers
When a nine year old becomes a mother, it is not because she is being loved.
CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:and about evidence >> okay i,ll bring more and more just for you
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Now you are tying yourself in knots, terrorism is a tactic and it just so happens it is the favored tactic of your jihadist muslims. So by your own words they should kill themselves because they are warriors that are killing muslims. You sound just like christian fundamentalists always trying to winnow down the numbers of "true" followers but in this case you are trying to have it both ways. You say no good muslim is a terrorist but your jihadists that you say are good use terrorism which by you makes them nonmuslims and worthy of nothing but death. Your religion seems to be awfully bloody minded. By the way you do know that the vast majority of americans in Iraq are not combat troops instead they are construction engineers and medics trying to rebuild and give care in short they are trying to limit the damage your brave jihadis are doing.

As I have said before my knowledge of Islam is rather limited and there are no supernatural entities whispering to me. On the other hand you give me no reason whatsoever for embracing Islam, in fact if what you say is representative of the average muslim(and I sincerely hope it isn't) then you have more given damning evidence against its continued existance

wyvern .. my friend .. my dear..

please give your attention .. i always ask you who is the real terrorists but you do not want to answer me
american doctors !!! that is not a good excuses . they came from america to help them !!!!? o come on wyvern no body say like that but you
have you ever seen ( fahrenheit ) film
listen if you really do not know that i will tell you
muslims are not terrorists they just try to save their selves and families because we (america) went to them ( they does not want us )
non-muslims is the real terrorist
look at palastein
united kingdom kicked isrealian asses (iam sorry about that) and they took them to palastein ( since 60 years )
so please do not run wyvern and answer my questions
who is the real terrorists ??
russia made a lakes of muslims blood in afghan and shishan ..etc
who is the real terrorists
because of one person (osama ben laden ) american killed children and babies and old men and women in afghan
who is the real terrorists ?

wyvern think about it this is an advice from a lover

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No problem. This is about ideas not about style. However, if you wish to learn there is a Quick BBCode Tutorial
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thanks for your help
Let me get this straight. God sent the Torah to humans and humans changed it. God sent the Gospels to humans and humans changed it. God sent the Qu'ran to humans and humans were not allowed to change it. Why would God make two mistakes before getting it right? I really am willing to look at Islam and the possibility that it is true, but you make it look ridiculous.
it is not mistakes.. will.. before he (allah) created adam ( the first person) he was know every thing
allah knew every thing will happen in the earth till the end..
so allah knew that they will change it and he wanted to create a final prophet with final book to make people follow him (allah) till the end
and because allah want mohammed to be the final prophet he promised to protect the quraan from cheatings
so that is why he protect quraan not the other books
and there still some books of torah and gospel not changed when you read it you will find an ayah talking about mohammed

I have heard how Muslims deal with those who they feel have said bad things about the Noble Prophet Mohammad (peace and Allah's blessing be upon him forever). You frighten me. I'll try not to say anything disrespectful about him again, if you will just allow me to live. It is a good thing for Theo van Gogh and Salman Rushdie that Islam is a peaceful and forgiving religion that tolerates free speech and answers rationally honest criticism.
thanks for you respect
will . allah said ( we gaves you al-qawthar -river in haven- so pray to your god and slaiughter - sheeps or camels or cows any thing we can eat - your state is abtar )

so give me your attentoin about this (your state is abtar)
i wrote abtar by arabic because you will never this word in any language

but it means
allah will protect you while you alive or after death
allah will revenge from people who say or do bad things for you in the earth or maybe after they die

so we had better not to say bad things about him
When a nine year old becomes a mother, it is not because she is being loved.
it is not too horrible ,, her father (abu baker) wanted mohammed to be her husband and she saw mohammed and she wanted him .. also she were adult
will.. do you know something i swear of allah
if he were here (mohammed) i,ll give my daughter to him to be his wife and my daughter is 3 years old
Thank you.
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McCulloch wrote:When a nine year old becomes a mother, it is not because she is being loved.
CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:it is not too horrible ,, her father (abu baker) wanted mohammed to be her husband and she saw mohammed and she wanted him .. also she were adult
will.. do you know something i swear of allah
if he were here (mohammed) i,ll give my daughter to him to be his wife and my daughter is 3 years old
And some people say that Christian idolize Jesus! You would give your three year old daughter to be some man's wife, if the man wanted it and if your daughter seemed to want it and you believed that the man was a prophet from Allah.

I'm sure that if a prophet from Allah said that a three year old was an adult, you would believe him, rather than believe evidence and rational thought. Each time you post you give me fewer reasons to have any confidence in what you say.
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