Islam the religion of Peace?

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Islam the religion of Peace?

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Is Islam a religion of peace? What about the following claims -- are these Quranic teachings? Do they prove that violence and cruelty is an integral part of Islam? After the references, I'll also post current events.
The Qur'an takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and relegates those who disbelieve in Islam to hell (5:10), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (9:28), and orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (2:193). It says that the "non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water" (14:17). It asks the Muslims to "slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter" (5:34). And tells us that "for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (22:19-22) and that they not only will have "disgrace in this life, but on the Day of Judgment He shall make them taste the Penalty of burning (Fire)" (22:9). The Qur'an says that "those who invoke a god other than Allah not only should meet punishment in this world but the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to them, and they will dwell therein in ignominy" (25:68). For those who "believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!" (48:13). Although we are asked to be compassionate amongst each other, we have to be "harsh with unbelievers", our Christian, Jewish and Atheist neighbours and colleagues (48:29). As for him who does not believe in Islam, the Prophet announces with a "stern command": "Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (69:30-37) The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23), (3:28). Our holy book asks us to be disobedient towards the disbelievers and their governments and strive against the unbelievers with great endeavour" (25:52) and be stern with them because they belong to Hell (66:9). The holy Prophet prescribes fighting for us and tells us that "it is good for us even if we dislike it" (2:216). Then he advises us to "strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (47:4). Our God has promised to "instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers" and has ordered us to "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (8:12). He also assures us that when we kill in his name "it is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself" (8:17). He orders us "to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies" (8:60). He has made the Jihad mandatory and warns us that "Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39). Allah speaks to our Holy Prophet and says "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed" (9:73). He promises us that in the fight for His cause whether we slay or are slain we return to the garden of Paradise (9:111). In Paradise he will "wed us with Houris (celestial virgins) pure beautiful ones" (56:54), and unite us with large-eyed beautiful ones while we recline on our thrones set in lines (56:20). There we are promised to eat and drink pleasantly for what we did (56:19). He also promises "boys like hidden pearls" (56:24) and "youth never altering in age like scattered pearls" (for those who have pedophiliac inclinations) (76:19). As you see, Allah has promised all sorts or rewards, gluttony and unlimited sex to Muslim men who kill unbelievers in his name. We will be admitted to Paradise where we shall find "goodly things, beautiful ones, pure ones confined to the pavilions that man has not touched them before nor jinni" (56:67-71). In the West we enjoy freedom of belief but we are not supposed to give such freedom to anyone else because it is written "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good) (3:85). And He orders us to fight them on until there is no more tumult and faith in Allah is practiced everywhere (8:39).

As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (4:34). It advises to "take a green branch and beat your wife", because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (2:228). It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the courts of law (2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Our Holy Prophet allows us to marry up to four wives and he licensed us to sleep with our slave maids and as many 'captive' women as we may have (4:3) even if those women are already married. He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers allegedly raped up to 250,000 Bengali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are un-Islamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women that in their opinion are apostates prior to killing them, as they believe a virgin will not go to Hell.
Above excerpt from http://tinyurl.com/j3bf4






I fail to see the peace in this religion.

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Too much listed as one paragraph. I can’t read it. But the gist I got from that consists of Hell. And represents one of the reasons why I cannot accept traditional notions of divinity presented by ‘organised’ religions: I simply cannot accept the premise that a supposedly loving and merciful deity would imprison someone in eternal torture (infinity) for a finite amount of sin (a human’s lifetime). Seems utterly illogical to me! #-o
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An excellent list. I would be impressed and surprised if someone could argue a reasonable case for Islam being peaceful.

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"Reasonable" being the operative word.

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No you dont really know islam
and i mean it you know nothing abot islam
i converted to islam last year because it,s the true religion
i was catholic but thanks god you saved
if you want toi know the truth about islam
press on this link
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it,s my website
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Did you know that 75% of the people who convert to Islam LEAVE the religion within a year of their "conversion?"

That's because once they get into it they find out what it's really about. Then their life is in danger because they are an apostate.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26125
www.councilofexmuslims.com

Talk to some people who will tell you the truth. You're being deceived.

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Hi CA2I,

You have stated your position but not defended it or given reasons for it.

Please address the above points criticizing Islam. I am open to reasoned rebuttal of these points, I will be impressed and surprised if you have any such arguments.

Also it isn't true that the bigger font makes you more correct or or make people more likely to listen to you.

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carolineislands wrote:Did you know that 75% of the people who convert to Islam LEAVE the religion within a year of their "conversion?"

That's because once they get into it they find out what it's really about. Then their life is in danger because they are an apostate.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26125
www.councilofexmuslims.com

Talk to some people who will tell you the truth. You're being deceived.
carolineislands wrote:Did you know that 75% of the people who convert to Islam LEAVE the religion within a year of their "conversion?"
That statistic is ridiculous. how can that be true when Islam is regarded as the fastest growing religion in the world!
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Re: Islam the religion of Peace?

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It's amazing how distorted your views of Islam are. Any knowledgable person who reads this can within their own mind determine that your are lying in your post and your sources from the quran have been extremely taken out of context. BEating women with branches when it doesn't even refer to a women in the verse and it doesn't even say branches it says grass. the evidence is clear that you are lying in this post I would tell you to be very careful about the things you say about the quran because none of them are true. it's a very long post which proves nothing in your favor except to the credibilty that your views are incorrect. For example,
carolineislands wrote:The Qur'an prohibits a Muslim from befriending a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (9:23),
this is not true, 9:23 O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong. 5:57 O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed). The evidence is very clear it only goes to those who prefer infidelity over faith and take Islam as a mockery or sport. Nearly All religions feel the same way. WHy would you befriend someone who takes your faith as sport and mockery over someone who believes as you do? Christianity says practises the same thing.
As far as the women are concerned the quran speaks of nothing of what you say.
carolineislands wrote:It advises to "take a green branch and beat your wife", because a green branch is more flexible and hurts more. (38:44).
38:44 "And take in thy hand a little grass, and strike therewith: and break not (thy oath)." Truly We found him full of patience and constancy. How excellent in Our service! ever did he turn (to Us) where is it speaking of the women in this verse this verse is speaking of Job and his patience. To those reading do you see the distortion the quran says grass and she says it says branches. She says because it's flexible and they hurt more when the quran says nothing like that. Lies all lies!!

Here is somemore lies for you,
carolineislands wrote:It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (66:10).
66:10 Allah sets forth, for an example to the Unbelievers, the wife of Noah and the wife of Lut: they were (respectively) under two of our righteous servants, but they were false to their (husbands), and they profited nothing before Allah on their account, but were told: "Enter ye the Fire along with (others) that enter!" when you read the story of Lut in the bible it says that she disobeyed the command which was given to her because she didn't believe. she was told to run and not to turn back or she wuld turn into a pillar of salt and she disobeyed and looked back. read it, it's in the bible!!!

How many women falsely accuse men of raping them when the fornication was consential? Can you say Kobe!!!
carolineislands wrote:It not only denies the women's equal right to their inheritance (4:11-12)
4:11 Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females; if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half. For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to each, if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased left brothers (or sisters) the mother has a sixth. The distribution in all cases (is) after the payment of legacies and debts. Ye know not whether your parents or your children are nearest to you in benefit. These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise. 4:12 In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by Allah. and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing. Whats so unjust about this? Anyone can see that this is full of lies and distorted information!

3:78 There is among them a section who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah. It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it!
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Re: Islam the religion of Peace?

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muhammad rasullah wrote:read the story of Lut in the bible it says that she disobeyed the command which was given to her because she didn't believe. she was told to run and not to turn back or she wuld turn into a pillar of salt and she disobeyed and looked back. read it, it's in the bible!!!
Yes, but god itself told her not to look back — the order didn’t come from her husband!
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