Intro - Bible Believing Christian

[codybarr]

My Name is Cody. I am a Christian, in stating that I qualify it with the declaration that I trust in Christ alone to save me from my sin.

My observations of the Natural World are based on a Biblical Worldview founded on the Word of God, for it is my sole authority for all matters relating to life and godliness. 2Pe 1:3.

For a Doctrinal Statement of my beliefs check out my Website - http://platip.us/doctrinal-creed (Sorry for the ugliness, it is often updated).

For a demonstration of what the Bible says regarding salvation check out: http://platip.us/gospel/

[bernee51]

My Name is Cody. I am a Christian, in stating that I qualify it with the declaration that I trust in Christ alone to save me from my sin.

My observations of the Natural World are based on a Biblical Worldview founded on the Word of God, for it is my sole authority for all matters relating to life and godliness. 2Pe 1:3.

For a Doctrinal Statement of my beliefs check out my Website - http://platip.us/doctrinal-creed (Sorry for the ugliness, it is often updated).

For a demonstration of what the Bible says regarding salvation check out: http://platip.us/gospel/

Hi Cody - again welcome to the deep end.

I have some questions regarding your articles of faith

1. There is one God, the God of the Bible, eternally existent in three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), who is the creator and sustainer of all things.

Is this god of which you speak the one talked of in the OT?

2. The Bible is the inspired, inerrant Word of God. It is useful for teaching, reproof, correction, and training in righteousness (II Timothy 3:16). Because the Bible is God’s inspired message to us, we are committed to making it the ultimate authority for life and doctrine.

Are you saying that the bible is inerrant etc because it says so in the bible?

3. All have sinned and are in danger of an eternity separated from God in Hell (Romans 3:23, 6:23a).
Why should I hold any regard for the words of an hysteric who hijacked a potentially meaningful philosophy and adulterated it to a guilt ridden, body despising, misogynistic diatribe?

4. God has lovingly and graciously provided a free gift of redemption through the death, burial, and resurrection of His Son, Jesus Christ (Romans 5:8, 6:23b; John 3:16).
Know doubt you believe this but I know of no evidence the man you called Jesus lived, died and resurrected as portrayed in the gospels.


and...

8. The Earth is relatively young, around 6,000 years of age. This is deduced from believing in a literal use of the word “Day” in Genesis chapter 1

How old is the universe?

May you be happy, kind, loving and peaceful

[McCulloch]

There are three reasons. Firstly, it is a reminder to other non-believers that there is some truth even in the Bible.

How do you differentiate between that which is true and that which is not?

Evidence, reason and logic. How do you do it?

The first, from 1 Thessalonians, is one of the most succinct descriptions of the scientific principle I have ever seen.

A testimony to the fact that the Christian Faith is not Illogical.

Not entirely. A point missed by many non-theists.

The second, words attributed to Jesus by the writer of John's Gospel, is also profound. I believe that truth will set humans free from the myths and untruths of religion.

If you rejected Christ...you're certainly not one of His disciples, and therefore do not know the truth. Jesus was actually talking about slavery to sin. Only Jesus can make you free from the bondage of your sin.

I am not one of Jesus' disciples. I don't see how that prevents me from seeing truth, in fact, it can be demonstrated that being His disciple blinds many to seeing truth.

Thirdly, I enjoy the irony that the application of the principles of these passages are what led me to reject Christianity.

I think you got the application part wrong, see passage above.

Yes, I realize that I am quote mining and using the passage out of context, not unlike many true believers.

[alaa_kalala]

Hello, Cody

In fact the Bible is not inerrant, the Bible has about 110 contradictions in it. And if you take a look at these pages, you will discover that there's many disputes about the authors of the gospels and the date of authorship, specially the Gospel of John which many scholars prove that it was not written by John the Apostle.
(read the sections about authorship and date)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Matthew
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Luke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John

The only correct and inerrant holy book on earth is the Quran, the holy book of Islam which no letter has ever changed in it since God revealed it to His prophet Mohammad by His angel Gabriel from the year 610 AD to 633 AD.

If you want to know more about Islam and the Quran, i'm ready to talk to you.

[OnceConvinced]

Hello, Cody

In fact the Bible is not inerrant, the Bible has about 110 contradictions in it.

It all depends on your perspective. If you look at the bible as the inerrant word of God, then there can be no contradictions. Of course you have to juggle with scriptures and come up with all sorts of unsubstantiated claims as to how it's not a contradiction, but that's the way Christians work. On the other hand if you look at the bible with the perspective that it's not the inerrant word of God, then you are right. It has many contradictions and far more than 110 for that matter.

By the way Alaa, it's great to see a Muslim here on this site. I hope you hang around, because having you here provides another perspective on things. Hopefully you'll stand firm (as, I think our ownly active Muslim member), even when you get ganged up on!

[Biker]

Hello, Cody

In fact the Bible is not inerrant, the Bible has about 110 contradictions in it. And if you take a look at these pages, you will discover that there's many disputes about the authors of the gospels and the date of authorship, specially the Gospel of John which many scholars prove that it was not written by John the Apostle.
(read the sections about authorship and date)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Matthew
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Luke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John

The only correct and inerrant holy book on earth is the Quran, the holy book of Islam which no letter has ever changed in it since God revealed it to His prophet Mohammad by His angel Gabriel from the year 610 AD to 633 AD.

If you want to know more about Islam and the Quran, i'm ready to talk to you.

The Bible is inerrant, and the quran was not written by mohammed, and mohammed wasn't a prophet!
Jesus Christ is Gods Son in the flesh.
Mohammed was in fact a pedophile! That was and is a sin! Always has been!
The quran is a confusing contradictory untenable writing, that is in dispute who even wrote it.
The Bible is 700 years before the quran and the quran borrows from the inerrant Bible heavily.
Mohammed never prophesied anything so he could be checked out as a prophet.
Mohammed died just like everybody else.
Jesus Christ died BUT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD!
Mohammed said (supposedly) that he knew the way to god?
Jesus Christ said: "I am God"!!!
BIG BIG DIFFERENCE!
If you would like to be born spiritually and know the one and true God personally, ask me I'll introduce you.


Biker
What is in the big black box in Mecca?

[alaa_kalala]

Hello , Biker
I'm glad to talk to you.
First let's agree that our judge is history, not each one's bigotry and preference and desires.
Let's compare between the Bible and the Quran historically.

We all know that after Jesus (raised to God as Muslims believe) or (crucified as Christians believe) Christians were persecuted by the Romans for about 300 years, and during those 300 years they had to worship secretly and we know only a very little information about those 300 years, and we all know that the Catholic Church in middle ages (500 AD - 1000 AD) tried to rewrite the history of the first three centuries to go in context with the Bible.
Whereas Muslims were persecuted for only 13 years (610 AD- 623 AD) and after that they migrated to Yathrib (Al-Madina today) and they started the first Islamic state, and we know a very good amount of information about the hisotry of Muslims and Islam than Christianity.

Now let's compare the two books The Bible and The Quran.
Let me tell you that Christians build their faith upon conjecture and suspects, because the books of the Bible are mostly corrupted.
Answer these questions please..
When was each Gospel written ?
Who wrote each Gospel ?
How can you prove to me who wrote the Gospels ?
We all know that there are many disputes about the authors and the date of authorship of the Gospels (and you can't deny that).
Tell me, how do you build your faith on books who date of authorship is unknown ??
Let's talk about the Quran now..
The history of the Quran is very reliable and trustworthy.
Mohammad was born in 570 AD.
God (Allah) started revealing the Quran to Mohammed when he was 40 years old in the year 610 AD by His angel called Gabriel.
The Quran was revealed in 23 years ended in the year 633 AD.
Mohammad did a lot of miracles (by the help of God's power) to prove to people his prophecy.
History books say exactly when God started revealing to Mohammad, and where what that, and we know exactly the first scriptures of the Quran which were revealed to Mohammad.
The Quran was written since the first days on thin sheets of stone and leather of animals, and then it was compiled during by the first islamic ruler after Mohammad (Abu Baker Al-Siddiq), and the first five copies of the Quran were made by the third islamic ruler after Mohammad (Uthman Ibn Affan).
We know the chain of people who narrated everything they heard from Mohammad and we have very big biography books which talks about the character, honesty, reliability and devoutness of each person who narrated anything said by Mohammad.
Where are the Christian biography books of people during the first three centuries ?
Who made St.Paul as apostle ? St.Paul never saw Jesus.

Which book do you think deserves to be followed and build someone's faith upon ?

I want to invite you to join Islam, or at least investigate more about Islam since we believe that everyone will be asked about Mohammad immediately after they die by two angels in their graves.

If you want to know more about the biography of Mohammad or Islam or the Quran, i'm ready to chat with you and discuss that more, and you can take a look at those websites :
http://www.islamreligion.com
http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=46

Regards.

[Goat]

Hello, Cody

In fact the Bible is not inerrant, the Bible has about 110 contradictions in it. And if you take a look at these pages, you will discover that there's many disputes about the authors of the gospels and the date of authorship, specially the Gospel of John which many scholars prove that it was not written by John the Apostle.
(read the sections about authorship and date)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Matthew
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Luke
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John

The only correct and inerrant holy book on earth is the Quran, the holy book of Islam which no letter has ever changed in it since God revealed it to His prophet Mohammad by His angel Gabriel from the year 610 AD to 633 AD.

If you want to know more about Islam and the Quran, i'm ready to talk to you.

The Bible is inerrant, and the quran was not written by mohammed, and mohammed wasn't a prophet!
Jesus Christ is Gods Son in the flesh.
Mohammed was in fact a pedophile! That was and is a sin! Always has been!
The quran is a confusing contradictory untenable writing, that is in dispute who even wrote it.
The Bible is 700 years before the quran and the quran borrows from the inerrant Bible heavily.
Mohammed never prophesied anything so he could be checked out as a prophet.
Mohammed died just like everybody else.
Jesus Christ died BUT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD!
Mohammed said (supposedly) that he knew the way to god?
Jesus Christ said: "I am God"!!!
BIG BIG DIFFERENCE!
If you would like to be born spiritually and know the one and true God personally, ask me I'll introduce you.


Biker
What is in the big black box in Mecca?

Well, I am sure that is your belief.

But, you will not find anyplace in the Bible that Jesus actually said "I am God".

From my perspective, Jesus is not a prophet, Jesus is not God, Mohammed is not a Prophet. And, the stories about Jesus being raised from the dead, are just stories, because the New Testament is not the word of God.

[Beto]

Hi there, alaa_kalala.

I must confess I hold as much regard for Islam as I do for Christianity, but if a particular instance made me choose between the two, it would be something like reading a post from a 55-year-old Biker and a response from a 25-year-old you. Very classy. Hope you stick around, you have weapons I can't fight with.

[Beto]

The Bible is inerrant, and the quran was not written by mohammed, and mohammed wasn't a prophet!
Jesus Christ is Gods Son in the flesh.
Mohammed was in fact a pedophile! That was and is a sin! Always has been!
The quran is a confusing contradictory untenable writing, that is in dispute who even wrote it.
The Bible is 700 years before the quran and the quran borrows from the inerrant Bible heavily.
Mohammed never prophesied anything so he could be checked out as a prophet.
Mohammed died just like everybody else.
Jesus Christ died BUT HE ROSE FROM THE DEAD!
Mohammed said (supposedly) that he knew the way to god?
Jesus Christ said: "I am God"!!!
BIG BIG DIFFERENCE!
If you would like to be born spiritually and know the one and true God personally, ask me I'll introduce you.

If anything, Biker, you're driving people away from Christianity. You may find a very grumpy god when you meet him.

[Goat]

Hello , Biker
I'm glad to talk to you.
First let's agree that our judge is history, not each one's bigotry and preference and desires.
Let's compare between the Bible and the Quran historically.

We all know that after Jesus (raised to God as Muslims believe) or (crucified as Christians believe) Christians were persecuted by the Romans for about 300 years, and during those 300 years they had to worship secretly and we know only a very little information about those 300 years, and we all know that the Catholic Church in middle ages (500 AD - 1000 AD) tried to rewrite the history of the first three centuries to go in context with the Bible.
Whereas Muslims were persecuted for only 13 years (610 AD- 623 AD) and after that they migrated to Yathrib (Al-Madina today) and they started the first Islamic state, and we know a very good amount of information about the hisotry of Muslims and Islam than Christianity.

Now let's compare the two books The Bible and The Quran.
Let me tell you that Christians build their faith upon conjecture and suspects, because the books of the Bible are mostly corrupted.
Answer these questions please..
When was each Gospel written ?
Who wrote each Gospel ?
How can you prove to me who wrote the Gospels ?
We all know that there are many disputes about the authors and the date of authorship of the Gospels (and you can't deny that).
Tell me, how do you build your faith on books who date of authorship is unknown ??
Let's talk about the Quran now..
The history of the Quran is very reliable and trustworthy.
Mohammad was born in 570 AD.
God (Allah) started revealing the Quran to Mohammed when he was 40 years old in the year 610 AD by His angel called Gabriel.
The Quran was revealed in 23 years ended in the year 633 AD.
Mohammad did a lot of miracles (by the help of God's power) to prove to people his prophecy.
History books say exactly when God started revealing to Mohammad, and where what that, and we know exactly the first scriptures of the Quran which were revealed to Mohammad.
The Quran was written since the first days on thin sheets of stone and leather of animals, and then it was compiled during by the first islamic ruler after Mohammad (Abu Baker Al-Siddiq), and the first five copies of the Quran were made by the third islamic ruler after Mohammad (Uthman Ibn Affan).
We know the chain of people who narrated everything they heard from Mohammad and we have very big biography books which talks about the character, honesty, reliability and devoutness of each person who narrated anything said by Mohammad.
Where are the Christian biography books of people during the first three centuries ?
Who made St.Paul as apostle ? St.Paul never saw Jesus.

Which book do you think deserves to be followed and build someone's faith upon ?

I want to invite you to join Islam, or at least investigate more about Islam since we believe that everyone will be asked about Mohammad immediately after they die by two angels in their graves.

If you want to know more about the biography of Mohammad or Islam or the Quran, i'm ready to chat with you and discuss that more, and you can take a look at those websites :
http://www.islamreligion.com
http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=46

Regards.

Hi alaa_kalala. It is nice to meet you. I will have to point out a few things. While the history of the Koran is such that when/where it was written, and a better consensus of theology within it doesn't mean it is any more or less 'true' than any other religious book. I personally do not believe it is any more holy than any other piece of writing by man. Like any holy book, it is used to inspire good in people, and can be used to justify much that is wrong.

It will be nice to have the moderate side of Islam being shown here. Too often, the exposure that the west gets of Islam is the more radical groups. It will be nice to get a fair and balanced viewpoint.