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Post #841Diehard unbeliever in Intelligent design? Sorry about that. Interesting replies.McCulloch wrote: I do hope that you will stick around long enough to get answers to your ponderings. Come back and enlighten us some more.
"it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment" More people than not fear death. becuase death for the unbeliever in Christ is the end, its final and all the things that were done by them while they were alive were for what benefit to them once they are dead?
And the complexity of human behavior, emotions, addictions, relationships and the like is an entire matter in itself that would take up a whole nother fourm to discuss. and this arose from out of thin air too? or we somehow evolved into this type of creature that somehow stop evolving at some point? Who in histories records ever bore anything but another human being?
Before i place whats on the top of my tired brain, I have to ask you to prove to me why you feel there is no Creator of all this complexity and give me some supportive scientific real evidence that all this life somehow has happened by chance? and that peticular, improbable chance being such an infinately high number for just ONE life form to exist, created from 'nothing' let alone all the life forms we have and how they are so complex (and some very simple and mystifying at the same time like the 'Jelly fish') in thier own containment.
for instance, how many times will it take to slam some rocks together outside the earth's atmosphere before that action just happens to create an entire solar system so perfect that if certain moons & planets were even a few degrees off in distance from each other and the sun, life would not be sustainable? and then on top of that have millions of life forms thrive, (all different from each other) live and reproduce? and some with... Emotions. but only ONE living species, different from ALL others so that they have dominion above all others... humans. Please... explain this to me so I can understand where youre coming from.
a rabbit cannot reproduce a bird or a squirell no matter how many times it reproduces. It will always produce a rabbit. same with every species. you might get different colors and variants but a rabbit is a rabbit. The DNA is exclusive to each species.
and DNA is THE MOST complex and perfect information database that there is to date. all we humans with our finite (but creative) minds can do is only imitate DNA or try and copy it/manipulate it. Can we produce it out of thin air? How could a one celled organism evolve into so many complex creatures? impossible. show me the evidence.
Can even a human create something from nothing?
Its by far easier to believe in a Creator just by the evidence of things that are seen in nature, just by looking around and watching the world live than it is to beleive that it happened by some strange, crazy, impossible chance.
Doesnt science prove that there was a whole earth flood? Science proves the bible is 100% accurate. Science never disproves the bible, ever. Historians prove the Bible is 100% accurate, especially when they are trying to disprove its authority. Its still the best selling book of all time. if the bible was a fable it would have been extinguished a long time ago.
Scientists have lied (creating found out, proven hoaxes) many times for methods to try and make believers of us all in evolution as the origin of life. But then they get caught. What a sad way to try and persuade an idea. but for what cause? Why lie to promote a truth? The ONLY cause is to NOT be held accountable to a higher authority. Where is it written in the Bible that God lied to us? 2 Timothy 3:16
Where (what book) has the wisest wisdom found? the Bible. It applies to life in this day still. and it was written before the other religious leaders came to be. So if there are any similarities, we know where they could have got it from.
Ill input this since im not reading the whole board to see if it has alredy been said or not.
1. - No other religion even claims to have their leader risen from the dead and all their bodies are accounted for where they were burried.. Jesus Christ's body is not findable.
that makes me wonder this:
What happened to Jesus Christ's body?
[center]Was it stolen or was it as He said it would be...ressurected from the dead by His own doing?[/center]
Lets look at this for a sec:
A) If the folks who had Him Cricified for claiming He was God (and that IS the reason they wanted Him gone according to John 1:1 that even says Jesus is God.) stole the body to disprove the believers, then at some point they would have revealed the dead body of bones to the ever increasing body of follwers of Christ. They would have done this to stop Christianity and it would have done so. But that did not happen.
B) The believers stole His body (that was guarded by soldiers who were told to kill anyone trying to steal the body and roll that very heavy stone away without the guards knowing a thingg) so they could lie about Christianity and make others believe in someone who was a liar so they could be killed and persecuted by the folks that hated Jesus? Well how many people would it have taken to DIE horrible deaths of stonings, beatings, crucifictions, etc.... before the ones hiding His dead body finally said "enough is enough, were not going to die for a lie anymore" ? That did not happen either
C) - Jesus really did rise from the dead as He said He would do.
Proof of the ressurection of Jesus Christ. - There were at least 500 witnesses that saw Jesus alive and well (eating food) after He had died on the cross. Find out from the historians if this is true or false.
2. Jesus and His followers are the most persecuted people even in this modern day of supposed "freedom of religion' in America. Everyone has freedom but the Christians. There are groups out there trying to force budda statues from being displayed, or muslim icons or (insert religion reletivity here). no. They are ONLY concerned with banning Christianity and its truths. Only interested in banning the bible and its truths.
Why dont poeple use Budda's name in vain? or Confusious? why is it always God's and Jesus'? or 'Holy' (insert excamatory here)
Christianity is the ONLY religion to say that there is one way to heaven and that it is NOT of ourselves. It is by being forgiven by ressurected Godman who is Jesus The Christ. and He even says that all you have to do is believe on His name and accept His grace. That is is not by our works that we can be saved from eternal damnation. Just by simple and lovely grace of the very God that created us and the earth and all the things in it.
3. - Every other religion is based on getting to heaven (or achieving enlightenment or a higher conscience or whatever) by other means, but every other religion ends up by that factor in relying one's self and what we should have to do to get where ever or achieve whatever betterment as human creatures.
which leads me to beleive that we KNOW that we are not perfect and NEED to be better than we are. We know in our souls that we need salvation from our own selves.
4.- Its written in our souls and hearts that there is a God and an absolute for wrong and right behaviors. Otherise most of the human habitants throughout history would not be worshiping anything at all. Why is this?
5 - The bilbe has not changed in all this time. it remains the same to this day and is still relevant to our lives to this day in every human being's life. Evolution has actually evolved in ideas to try and prove "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life".
factoid: Hitler was a great promoter/believer of Darwins teachings and we know how that all worked out.
Thought: if this book had not been published when it had been in the late 1800's, I seriuosly doubt that it would even have the title it does today and be so popular. There is more to his teachings than just the basic idea that we are all mistakes. and who was darwin to decide what race is favorable above others? Just a man that wanted to get away from God, who is now dead.
Now im going to turn the burden of proof around to you to please prove to me that there is no God and creator of all things and explain where science proves that evolution is fact, the age of the earth being millions of years old, and not just an outburst of a mans idea to get away from a higher Authority than ourselves.
Thank you for your time.
