What's wrong with being gay?

[Daedalus X]

This thread is a continuation of an off topic conversation from here.

First, I think that we all agree that it's important to promote understanding, respect, and equality for all individuals, regardless of their sexual orientation. Everyone should be treated with dignity and allowed to express their identity without fear of discrimination or harm.


Question for debate is LGTBQIA2S+ a harmless social contagion, or are there serious unintended consequences awaiting the individuals and societies that are going down this road?

[oldbadger]

Logical fallacy: ad hominem

Ad hominem is a Latin term for arguments that attack the person making a claim rather than the claim itself.

No. You've got that wrong.
If you do use ad-hominem you're not attacking a person, but their claim (whatever that might be).
In effect you would be saying that this person's claim must be correct because they are (for example) a professor of that subject. So ad-hominem claims this person is right because of who they are and not because of their reasoning.

[A Freeman]

Never seen anywhere in the Bible where it says that being a non-Christian is a capital crime. In fact, ALL organized religion -- including "Christianity" -- along with their priests, pastors, rabbis and imams, etc., are repeatedly condemned throughout Scripture.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to point out where you read that being a non-Christian is a capital crime please?

Have you even read the bible?

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be put to death. Exodus 22:19

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. ...you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-14

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. Deuteronomy 13:7-12

Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. Deuteronomy 17:2-5

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me. Luke 19:27

According to stupid human illogic, "the punishment should fit the crime.” The punishment should PREVENT the crime, and lessening the punishment actually ENCOURAGES crime. That's why homosexuality is a capital crime; to PREVENT it.

so its better to kill them while they are still children?

You didn't answer the question. Where in the Bible does it tell us that being a "non-Christian" is a capital crime? Everything you've cited, e.g. serving/sacrificing to other gods would INCLUDE so-called Christians, who have accepted and worship the nonsensical, pagan/Babylonian 3=1 "trinity", which is found nowhere in Scripture.

The Covenant that God entered into was with the people Israel, NOT with "Christians" or "Muslims", or even with them which say they are "Jews" but are NOT.

As someone who has read the Bible, and the Koran/Quran, and the books that were wrongly removed from the Bible (e.g. Enoch and the Gospel account recorded by Thomas) numerous times -- and more importantly studied them and put The Law and Gospel into practice -- everything you've cited above makes perfect sense if you consider the FACT that this is a maximum security prison reform school for the criminally insane, where almost everyone believes they supposedly know better than our Creator, and can do whatever evil they want indefinitely and with impunity.

Repeating the same mistakes over and over, and expecting different results, is the classical, Einsteinian definition of insanity.

God is Love, Truth, Freedom, Justice, Mercy, Wisdom and Understanding. He is The Small, Still Voice of Voice of Reason amidst the sea of confusion that we have created for ourselves by willfully choosing to ignore His Guidance, His Law/Commandments and His Statutes and Judgments, which provide True Freedom, True Justice, True Peace and Prosperity, and True Safety and Security.

EVERYTHING evil in this world is the direct result of disobedience to His Perfect Law of Liberty. That's why we find ourselves in a state of constant war, where we are destroying the natural environment we've been provided, and each other, over creature comforts that none of us can take with us when we leave, instead of learning to share everything.

So, the question you've posed about the children should be looked at WITHOUT BIAS and LOGICALLY. IF that is done, it should be self-evident that WE are the ones poisoning, maiming and murdering our children, NOT God.

We have sacrificed our children to other gods by making gods of the public educational system, which fills their minds with rubbish.

We have sacrificed our children to other gods by making gods of the television and film industry, which likewise fills their minds with rubbish. They even call them TV "programs" and people still don't get it.

We have sacrificed our children to other gods by making gods of the doctors and chemical-pharmaceutical medical industrial complex, which fills their bodies with toxic pharmaceutical drugs and vaccines from an early age (sometimes from birth), and then poisons their drinking water, their food and their air, and pushes them to mutilate their bodies to try to change their gender.

We have sacrificed our children to other gods by making gods of the priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc., who fill their minds with rubbish too, in the form of their traditions, doctrines and religious superstitions, thereby ensuring that with thousands of different denominations/sects/cults, etc. they will invariably be divided and at war against one another.

We have sacrificed our children to other gods by making gods of the politicians, who unlawfully make up their own rules to make the rich richer and the poor poorer, thereby ensuring that our children grow up impoverished and enslaved to corporate fictions, including corporate fictional governments, corporate fictional organized religions, corporate fictional courts, corporate fictional policy enforcing agencies, and the rest of the corporate fictional world, all of which is based upon cannibalistic greed and materialism (a "dog eat dog" or backwards "god eat god" world).

And that includes the making up of unlawful legislation to not only allow but promotes filthy and abominable homosexuality, which has taken the lid completely off of Pandora's box for the rest of the sexual deviants, INCLUDING PAEDOPHILES.

There will be a believing remnant that sees the insanity of OUR actions, and genuinely want to change, recognizing that God is right, and always has been, and that WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR SELFISH AND EVIL WAYS. They, the believing remnant, will learn the humility required to admit they've been wrong all along, and will be redeemed from the Earth. Everyone else will burn, to purify this world, and return it to the paradise it was always meant to be, for those who genuinely love one another.

THAT is what's wrong with being homosexual, and why anyone who genuinely loves those souls -- that are trapped inside of bodies that they have lost control over -- should be warning them of the dire consequences of that unnatural and abominable lifestyle, while there is still time to repent.

Time which is rapidly running out.

you spread hate and lies about a group of people and try to pretend that this is an act of love? if you want to change evil ways, start with yourself

A human, who lacks the facility for spiritual eyesight, sees everything in this world upside down and backwards.

When someone sees everything upside down and backwards, they see love as hatred and good as evil, logic as illogical, etc.

Approximately 4500 years ago, when the Earth had become so corrupt and evil that it was FILLED with violence and wickedness/selfishness (Gen. 6:5-13), virtually no one was learning how to be good (Gen. 1:26). God -- Who is Love -- sent the flood. The flood destroyed all human life except for Noah and his family (his wife and three sons and their wives), who were the only ones left listening to and obeying God, and genuinely striving to be good.

Humans see this act as hateful and tyrannical, because all of the humans died except for Noah and his family, and that's all a human can see.

However, in reality, it was ONLY the humans that died, so that the spiritual-Beings (souls) inside of those humans could then be sent back inside the descendants of Noah's sons, giving each of those souls a new opportunity to learn to be good, in a family that actually believed God, which is why Noah and his family were saved from the flood.

Without that fresh start, every single soul other than those of Noah and his family had NO chance of learning to be good, and thus were guaranteed eternal damnation in The Fire, on Judgement Day. So, from the correct, spiritual perspective, the flood was the most loving thing that God could have done for all concerned, which is what He ALWAYS does.

THESE TIMES ARE JUST LIKE THE DAYS OF NOAH (Matt. 24:37-39), where the Earth has again been corrupted and is FILLED with violence and wickedness. A time where most are so utterly insane they argue against reason and common-sense, and ignore all of the warnings provided to them for everyone's benefit, because they are blinded by their own ignorance and arrogance (which always go hand-in-hand).

However, unlike the times of Noah, when water killed only the humans, this time it will be The Fire, and there will be NO SECOND CHANCES.

If, at this late hour, one cannot see their own ignorance and arrogance, that dupes them into believing they know better than God, then they are going to burn, exactly as we've been warned for thousands of years. So anyone reading this message has now been LOVINGLY warned again, for their own benefit, of what the consequences of their actions will be, while they still have time to repent of them (i.e. to stop sinning/committing crimes against one another).

No one in their right (spiritual) mind) could possibly think that the UNNATURAL and VILE practice of homosexuality is somehow natural and okay. Only a human, who sees everything upside down and backwards, could believe in such an obvious LIE. We all have the free-will to choose between good and evil, but it requires correctly seeing good and evil through spiritual eyes (as God, Who is a Spirit sees things), rather than incorrectly, through human eyes.

Please choose wisely.

[FrankieRelax]

A human, who lacks the facility for spiritual eyesight, sees everything in this world upside down and backwards.

When someone sees everything upside down and backwards, they see love as hatred and good as evil, logic as illogical, etc.

false witness is still a sin no matter how you try and spin it
Hate is hat no matter how you try to justify it

Approximately 4500 years ago, when the Earth had become so corrupt and evil that it was FILLED with violence and wickedness/selfishness (Gen. 6:5-13), virtually no one was learning how to be good (Gen. 1:26). God -- Who is Love -- sent the flood. The flood destroyed all human life except for Noah and his family (his wife and three sons and their wives), who were the only ones left listening to and obeying God, and genuinely striving to be good.

Humans see this act as hateful and tyrannical, because all of the humans died except for Noah and his family, and that's all a human can see.

Most see it as a myth and a allegory for a moral lesson.

However, in reality, it was ONLY the humans that died, so that the spiritual-Beings (souls) inside of those humans could then be sent back inside the descendants of Noah's sons, giving each of those souls a new opportunity to learn to be good, in a family that actually believed God, which is why Noah and his family were saved from the flood.

are you really making a case for reincarnation?

THESE TIMES ARE JUST LIKE THE DAYS OF NOAH (Matt. 24:37-39), where the Earth has again been corrupted and is FILLED with violence and wickedness. A time where most are so utterly insane they argue against reason and common-sense, and ignore all of the warnings provided to them for everyone's benefit, because they are blinded by their own ignorance and arrogance (which always go hand-in-hand).

its shameful how so many people refuse to hate the same minorities that you do

No one in their right (spiritual) mind) could possibly think that the UNNATURAL and VILE practice of homosexuality is somehow natural and okay. Only a human, who sees everything upside down and backwards, could believe in such an obvious LIE. We all have the free-will to choose between good and evil, but it requires correctly seeing good and evil through spiritual eyes (as God, Who is a Spirit sees things), rather than incorrectly, through human eyes.

Please choose wisely.

So I would be a good person if i speared lies and promote hate and discrimination.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to A Freeman in post #422]

However, in reality, it was ONLY the humans that died, so that the spiritual-Beings (souls) inside of those humans could then be sent back inside the descendants of Noah's sons, giving each of those souls a new opportunity to learn to be good, in a family that actually believed God, which is why Noah and his family were saved from the flood.

If only humans died, then there was no need to take pairs of animals onto the ark.