Who do they worship?

[Mithrae]

They tell us that there is a devil out there, a powerful being, the "god of this world" (2 Cor. 4:4), supremely evil and working tirelessly to deceive humanity.

Then they tell us about the being who they choose to worship:

1. One who planned to keep humans ignorant of good and evil, the sole and greatest 'sin' (had they known what sin was) being to acquire that knowledge
2. One who established rules such that thenceforth every human would be born with an innate propensity for evil
3. One who is unwilling or unable to simply forgive or show mercy for those sins he thrust upon us, but instead requires a blood sacrifice in order to 'forgive'; and not just any blood sacrifice but a human sacrifice... and not just any human sacrifice, but a totally innocent sacrifice of his own son! Without that horrific act this being they worship was apparently incapable of forgiving the sinfulness which he himself created
4. One who endorsed, actively commanded and on several occasions personally engaged in the most heinous kind of deeds that humans have ever done such as institutional intergenerational chattel slavery and even wholesale genocide, and plans to ramp that slaughter up a hundred-fold at the end of the age
5. Even more amazingly, one who plans to do the most vicious thing that humans can even imagine - torturing and savouring the smoke from the fiery torment of billions upon billions of people for day after day, year after year, century after century for all eternity, a literally incomprehensible level of cruelty

Can we make any inferences about the being worshipped by Christians?

"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— where
‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— where
‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— where
‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’"
~ Mark 9:43-48

"They, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever."
~ Revelation 14:10-11

[A Freeman]

Continuing the reply to Mithrae in post #1

Mithrae:
“2. One who established rules such that thenceforth every human would be born with an innate propensity for evil”

We are supposed to be learning how to rid ourselves of the selfishness and evil which has plagued us since the beginning of human life on this planet, and caused every crime and every war ever since.

Luke 9:23 And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me (crucify the ego/“self”).

Galatians 2:20 My "Self" is crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I (the "Self"), but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Sura 6:162. Say: "Truly, my prayer and my (daily) service of "Self" sacrifice (Luke 9:23; [url=https://jahtruth.net/kofk-free/47luke.htm#14_55]14:26-27), my life (of selflessness) and my death (to "Self"), are (all) for "I AM", the Cherisher of the Worlds:

It’s truly a pity that so few take personal responsibility for their own actions, while most instead choose to cowardly blame our Creator for their own poor decisions and choices. Our reality is that we have been provided with all of the tools to rid ourselves of evil, and yet most have chosen, of their own free-will, to be the selfish, greedy, materialistic individuals that are contributing to the destruction of this world, and their own destruction as well.

“The ego-self constantly pushes reality away. It constructs a future out of empty expectations and a past out of regretful memories.”
– Alan Watts
“More the knowledge, lesser the ego. Lesser the knowledge, more the ego.” – Albert Einstein
“When the ego dies, the soul awakes.” – Mahatma Gandhi

[A Freeman]

Continuing the reply to Mithrae in post #1

Mithrae:
“3. One who is unwilling or unable to simply forgive or show mercy for those sins he thrust upon us, but instead requires a blood sacrifice in order to 'forgive'; and not just any blood sacrifice but a human sacrifice... and not just any human sacrifice, but a totally innocent sacrifice of his own son! Without that horrific act this being they worship was apparently incapable of forgiving the sinfulness which he himself created”

Unable to forgive or show mercy? Please.

Everyone on this planet is guilty of treason against Father (our Creator), which is a capital crime.

Instead of being executed outright, we’ve been mercifully provided with the opportunity to rehabilitate.

Further yet, we’ve been given ~6000 years and numerous human lifetimes to learn.

And even further yet, after all of our crimes (yes, sin = crime – 1 John 3:4), against Father and against one another, He is STILL ready to extend His Mercy and Forgiveness at this late hour, to anyone who genuinely turns from their selfish/evil/criminal ways.

Ezekiel 18:14-17 (please read the entire chapter)
18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE. The son shall not bear the inequity of the father, neither shall the father bear the inequity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
18:21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep ALL My Statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall SURELY live, he shall not die.
18:22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall LIVE.
18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord "I AM": [and] not that he should return from his ways, and live?

Do you know of any human courts that would offer a stay of execution for a guilty prisoner, even if that prisoner showed great promise with their actions that they would never commit a crime again?

And to suggest that Father (God) somehow thrust sins upon us, when our CRIMES/SINS are very obviously of our own doing, is pathetic.

10 traits of people who don’t take responsibility for their actions

No human will ever understand the sacrifice that was made at the cross (nor anything else in Scripture), because humans lack the spiritual eyes and ears to see even the simplest forms of our true reality.

John 3:3-7
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE The Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-"Being").
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

How sad that at this late hour, after 6000 years of rehabilitation, people STILL believe in the satanic LIE that “we are only human after all”.

We are all spiritual-energy Beings that are only temporarily incarnated inside of a human animal body. We don’t die when the body dies; we either move on or come back here to do this again, until we either get it right or run out of time.

Father (God) did NOT kill His Son (Prince/Michael/Christ), nor did He even kill Jesus (the human son of the virgin body of Mary); humans murdered Jesus. Specifically the leaders of CHURCH (Talmudic Judaism) and STATE (the Roman government).

And the cross was again to teach everyone personal responsibility and “self” sacrifice. Put the body’s arms straight out from its sides and look in the mirror. THAT is the personal cross that each of us has been given to bear, and should be learning to crucify DAILY, for the benefit of everyone else.

And that selfless act of sacrificing the human for everyone’s benefit paid for our PAST sins/crimes; it did NOT provide us with the freedom to sin with impunity, as “Christianity” wrongly teaches.

[A Freeman]

Continuing the reply to Mithrae in post #1

Mithrae:
"4. One who endorsed, actively commanded and on several occasions personally engaged in the most heinous kind of deeds that humans have ever done such as institutional intergenerational chattel slavery and even wholesale genocide, and plans to ramp that slaughter up a hundred-fold at the end of the age"

We have been given His PERFECT Law which, if kept, provides TRUE Freedom, TRUE Justice, TRUE Peace and TRUE Prosperity for ALL, under the True Safety and Security that only Father (God) can provide.

Father’s Law contains:
1) the perfect form of government (with no politicians, no lobbyists, no bribery, and no theft in the form of taxes or mass-murder in the form of war);
2) the perfect system of justice (where there are no lawyers/attorneys/barristers, nor an ever-changing set of rules);
3) the perfect agricultural system (with no toxic chemical fertilizers, pesticides, insecticides, fungicides, herbicides, etc. and no GMOs, and where the land rests every 7 years to maintain its nutrient levels);
4) the perfect economic system (with built-in debt relief and no usury, no theft by fraud, thereby eliminating poverty, and the associated crime it causes); and
5) the perfect healthy diet (which keeps both the body and our natural surroundings healthy and fit).

Described above is the world that we could have had, if only we had listened to and obeyed our Creator, instead of believing we are a law unto ourselves (Deut. 12:8).

Instead, we live in a society where poverty is widespread, where people lie, cheat and steal from one another, where most are in corporate debt slavery as “employees”, and where heinous crimes are committed every day, e.g. the mutilation of people’s bodies, including children, in a vain attempt to change the natural gender of their body.

A society where justice is a game and every judge is on the take. Where the rich can afford to get away with heinous crimes while the poor man is routinely deprived of a fair trial or an impartial judge. Where attorneys, etc. can twist and turn any truth into a supposed lie, and any lie into an alleged truth. Where we multiply and compound error upon error with “case precedents”, with made-up rules taking on completely different meanings on a daily basis.

A society where we destroy the planet, and don’t seem to give a hoot about the next generation, and how they will deal with the filth and destruction, as long as we can have whatever creature comforts are being peddled.

Is it necessary to go on? We have turned this world into a trash can, and into a place where people fear for their lives on a daily basis, while men, women, children and small infants are blown to bits so that we can sell more airplanes, tanks, missiles, guns and bullets to keep the military industrial complex flush with cash.

This is the world that we have accepted, with its completely corrupt and defective systems, and its totally unsustainable policies, designed to burn through the planet’s resources as quickly as possible, to eventually render it uninhabitable. All so a handful of filthy rich people can continue to stroke their egos until they too perish.

Totally insane.

[A Freeman]

Continuing the reply to Mithrae in post #1

Mithrae:

"5. Even more amazingly, one who plans to do the most vicious thing that humans can even imagine - torturing and savouring the smoke from the fiery torment of billions upon billions of people for day after day, year after year, century after century for all eternity, a literally incomprehensible level of cruelty"

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with Fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The ONLY individuals who would want to spend eternity with the abominable, and with murderers, and with whoremongers, and with people mixing up pharmaceutical poisons to harm, cripple or murder others for profit, and with people worshipping their own egos and with a bunch of liars, are those who believe these types of behaviours are acceptable, and can be sustained.

No Loving Father would ever want that for ANY of His Children. Nor would it be fair to those children who genuinely worked to make this universe a better place for everyone, instead of scheming and plotting to see what they can steal from others to enrich themselves.

People can either learn to keep The Law our Creator gave us to protect us from all of this evil and to set and keep us FREE, or they can die by The Law.

The choice is ours to make, but time to decide is rapidly running out.

Learn: The Way home or face The Fire by JAH

The title is self-explanatory.

[gadfly]

They tell us that there is a devil out there, a powerful being, the "god of this world" (2 Cor. 4:4), supremely evil and working tirelessly to deceive humanity.

Then they tell us about the being who they choose to worship:

1. One who planned to keep humans ignorant of good and evil, the sole and greatest 'sin' (had they known what sin was) being to acquire that knowledge
2. One who established rules such that thenceforth every human would be born with an innate propensity for evil
3. One who is unwilling or unable to simply forgive or show mercy for those sins he thrust upon us, but instead requires a blood sacrifice in order to 'forgive'; and not just any blood sacrifice but a human sacrifice... and not just any human sacrifice, but a totally innocent sacrifice of his own son! Without that horrific act this being they worship was apparently incapable of forgiving the sinfulness which he himself created
4. One who endorsed, actively commanded and on several occasions personally engaged in the most heinous kind of deeds that humans have ever done such as institutional intergenerational chattel slavery and even wholesale genocide, and plans to ramp that slaughter up a hundred-fold at the end of the age
5. Even more amazingly, one who plans to do the most vicious thing that humans can even imagine - torturing and savouring the smoke from the fiery torment of billions upon billions of people for day after day, year after year, century after century for all eternity, a literally incomprehensible level of cruelty

Can we make any inferences about the being worshipped by Christians?

"If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— where
‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— where
‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’
And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire— where
‘Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’"
~ Mark 9:43-48

"They, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever."
~ Revelation 14:10-11

Then they tell us about the being who they choose to worship:

1. One who planned to keep humans ignorant of good and evil, the sole and greatest 'sin' (had they known what sin was) being to acquire that knowledge
   --Is this your interpretation of Genesis 2? Do we know that that is how ancient Israelites would have understood the story?
2. One who established rules such that thenceforth every human would be born with an innate propensity for evil
   --that is certainly taught by Augustine; but it is an interpretation, and therefore not a belief required by all Christians.
3. One who is unwilling or unable to simply forgive or show mercy for those sins he thrust upon us, but instead requires a blood sacrifice in order to 'forgive'; and not just any blood sacrifice but a human sacrifice... and not just any human sacrifice, but a totally innocent sacrifice of his own son! Without that horrific act this being they worship was apparently incapable of forgiving the sinfulness which he himself created
   --once again, that is an interpretation drawn by some medieval theologians and it certainly continues to this day in some of the branches of the Christian faith; but it is by no means fundamental to Christianity. The apostle Paul tends more to mystical union than substitution, i.e., Christians by faith participate in both Christ's self-sacrifice and resurrection.
4. One who endorsed, actively commanded and on several occasions personally engaged in the most heinous kind of deeds that humans have ever done such as institutional intergenerational chattel slavery and even wholesale genocide, and plans to ramp that slaughter up a hundred-fold at the end of the age
   --a stronger criticism, for sure. However, I find it intriguing that Jesus himself seems to think that some of the Mosaic laws were in fact not ideal and therefore not in perfect alignment with God as Jesus conceived him. Note his debate over divorce: he says that "Moses" allowed for divorce bc of hard-heartedness. Thus the laws in the OT can (and should) be read as responses to the current environment, not as universal morals (a questionable entity). His example thus gives far more room than is supposed for Christians themselves to question and even criticize the Bible. Of course, American fundamentalists would object. And American fundamentalists are some of the loudest Christians ever to exist. And so, many non-Christians think American fundamentalism IS Christianity. But it ain't so.
5. Even more amazingly, one who plans to do the most vicious thing that humans can even imagine - torturing and savouring the smoke from the fiery torment of billions upon billions of people for day after day, year after year, century after century for all eternity, a literally incomprehensible level of cruelty

Drawn from which passage? I'm assuming Revelation. One book, which the early church was hesitant to even list among the authoritative books bc it was so weird. There are other passages among the NT canon that anticipate universal salvation (Romans. Colossians).

It seems to me that you are a victim of American fundamentalism. Fundamentalists read more books about Christianity by other fundamentalists than they do the actual Bible. Because they are so loud and obnoxious everyone thinks they represent Christianity. They don't. The New Testament is far more diverse in opinions than they would care to recognize.

[A Freeman]

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