Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 2:7-8, “But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the world unto our glory: which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory.”
The phrase, “Lord of Glory” is a Hebraism for Glorious Lord, a title applied to the Jehovah in the Old Testament, then revealed in the New.
Isaiah 33:21, “The glorious LORD (Jehovah) will be unto us a place of broad rivers and streams;”
Psalms 24:8-10, “Who is the King of glory? The LORD (Jehovah) strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.”
Verse 10, “Who is this King of glory?
This is what Paul meant when he wrote, “We speak of the wisdom of God in a mystery.” Jesus was that mystery, the glorious LORD, the LORD of glory.”
Manoah, the father of Samson, asked the angel of the LORD, Judges 13:17, “What is your name?”
He answered, “Why ask you thus after my name, seeing it is secret?” An Old Testament secret, revealed in the person of Jesus Christ, the "Lord of glory."
Acts 7:2, “The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham,”
He who was crucified as to his manhood, is the Lord of Glory, Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
The LORD of Glory
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Re: The LORD of Glory
Post #2If Jesus is Jehovah, who is the God of Jesus?placebofactor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:43 pm Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 2:7-8, “But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the world unto our glory: which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory.”
The phrase, “Lord of Glory” is a Hebraism for Glorious Lord, a title applied to the Jehovah in the Old Testament, ...
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
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Re: The LORD of Glory
Post #3If the Father of Jesus who is Jehovah, calls his Son Jehovah, who are we to say Jesus is not Jehovah? I'll bet you hate these verses: Hebrews 1:6, the Father said concerning his Son, "Let all the angels of God (the Father, theos) worship him (Jesus)." Hebrews 1:8, "Unto the Son (Jesus) he (the Father) said, your throne, O God (theos) is for ever and ever:" The Father calls himself "Theos" and calls his Son "Theos.)"1213 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:50 amIf Jesus is Jehovah, who is the God of Jesus?placebofactor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:43 pm Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 2:7-8, “But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the world unto our glory: which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory.”
The phrase, “Lord of Glory” is a Hebraism for Glorious Lord, a title applied to the Jehovah in the Old Testament, ...
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
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Re: The LORD of Glory
Post #4But He doesn't call Jesus Jehovah in the Bible.placebofactor wrote: ↑Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:15 am ....
If the Father of Jesus who is Jehovah, calls his Son Jehovah, who are we to say Jesus is not Jehovah?
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Post #5New Testament, for God is "Theos." In Hebrews 1:8, the Father refers to himself a "Theos," and to his Son Jesus as "Theos." In verse 9, he again calls himself 'Theos" and his Son "Theos."1213 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:58 amBut He doesn't call Jesus Jehovah in the Bible.placebofactor wrote: ↑Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:15 am ....
If the Father of Jesus who is Jehovah, calls his Son Jehovah, who are we to say Jesus is not Jehovah?
In Verse 10, the Father is still speaking, he calls his Son "LORD." (Theos), the said about him, "In the beginning has laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of your hands."
Again, who are we to deny the words of the Father? If he calls his Son God and LORD, that's good enough for me, but obviously not for Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Post #6God has called many with the word theos, not only Jesus. Also Moses was called theos.placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 11:45 amNew Testament, for God is "Theos." In Hebrews 1:8, the Father refers to himself a "Theos," and to his Son Jesus as "Theos." In verse 9, he again calls himself 'Theos" and his Son "Theos." ...1213 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:58 amBut He doesn't call Jesus Jehovah in the Bible.placebofactor wrote: ↑Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:15 am ....
If the Father of Jesus who is Jehovah, calls his Son Jehovah, who are we to say Jesus is not Jehovah?
I said, “You are gods [theos], all of you are sons of the Most High. Nevertheless you shall die like men, and fall like one of the rulers.”
Ps. 82:6-7
Yahweh said to Moses, “Behold, I have made you as God [elohim/theos] to Pharaoh; and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.
Exod. 7:1
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Post #7But in the same sentence, the Father called himself 'Theos." 1213, you need to stop creating false narratives. If you're not going to be honest and stop protecting the Watchtower false naritives, I don't want to waste your time or mine. Every response you give concerning Jesus' Divinity you have an excuse. Examples follow.1213 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:59 pmGod has called many with the word theos, not only Jesus. Also Moses was called theos.placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 11:45 amNew Testament, for God is "Theos." In Hebrews 1:8, the Father refers to himself a "Theos," and to his Son Jesus as "Theos." In verse 9, he again calls himself 'Theos" and his Son "Theos." ...1213 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:58 amBut He doesn't call Jesus Jehovah in the Bible.placebofactor wrote: ↑Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:15 am ....
If the Father of Jesus who is Jehovah, calls his Son Jehovah, who are we to say Jesus is not Jehovah?
I said, “You are gods [theos], all of you are sons of the Most High. Nevertheless you shall die like men, and fall like one of the rulers.”
Ps. 82:6-7
Yahweh said to Moses, “Behold, I have made you as God [elohim/theos] to Pharaoh; and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.
Exod. 7:1
John I:1, "And the word was God." Your response, "The Bible is wrong.
Stephen puts his fingers into the Lord's wound, then said to him, "My Lord and my God." Your response, he was talking to Jesus and the Father.
Revelation 1:1, "The Revelation of Jesus Christ." Your response, the Bible is wrong, it should be "A Revelation by Jesus Christ."
Revelation 1:8, Jesus is speaking and said, "I am the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, the Almighty." You say he was talking about the Father. No, he was talking about himself.
The Bible said, "Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost. You respond, "There is no Trinity."
You claim no man has seen the Father: Okay, that's a true statement: So, my question, who wrestled with Jacob? Jacob said it was God. Who was Abraham with when the three men came to him in the desert? It was the LORD. Who did Joshua talk to? It was God. Who was Manoah with? Manoah said it was God. Who was Moses with? Whoever it was called himself God. But in every case, when the reference concerns Jesus, Elohim, Theos, and LORD don't mean God, but a god.
I don't think you are interested in the truth, only supporting your organization's teaching, sorry, that's the impression you put on the table.
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Re: The LORD of Glory
Post #8I don't think I have ever said "the Bible is wrong", please don't make lies.placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:43 pm John I:1, "And the word was God." Your response, "The Bible is wrong.
Bible tells is was a man:placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:43 pm ...So, my question, who wrestled with Jacob? Jacob said it was God. ...
And Jacob was left alone. And a Man wrestled with him until the ascending of the dawn.
Gen. 32:24
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Re: The LORD of Glory
Post #9It was Jesus who appeared to Jacob as a man. You know, a disguise, a covering. Had he not covered himself with flesh, Jacob would never have been able to look upon Jesus' glory.1213 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 18, 2025 4:16 amI don't think I have ever said "the Bible is wrong", please don't make lies.placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:43 pm John I:1, "And the word was God." Your response, "The Bible is wrong.
All your Jehovah's Witness friend so, and you all think the same way, and say the same things.
Bible tells is was a man:placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:43 pm ...So, my question, who wrestled with Jacob? Jacob said it was God. ...
And Jacob was left alone. And a Man wrestled with him until the ascending of the dawn.
Gen. 32:24
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Re: The LORD of Glory
Post #10There is much confusion because those translating "the LORD" in the Old Testament have had the personal name of God removed and replaced by this title. If the name was left in place, more than 7,000 times, there would be much less confusion. Jesus is called "the Lord" because he is Lord of lords, given that title by his Father, who is the LORD. Just because Jesus is called "the Lord" does not mean that he is Jehovah (that is the name that the all-caps "LORD" has replaced so many times.) Jehovah is LORD of everything. Jesus is Lord to all those who are called "lord" but not as God Almighty.placebofactor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 5:43 pm Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 2:7-8, “But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the world unto our glory: which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory.”
The phrase, “Lord of Glory” is a Hebraism for Glorious Lord, a title applied to the Jehovah in the Old Testament, then revealed in the New.
Isaiah 33:21, “The glorious LORD (Jehovah) will be unto us a place of broad rivers and streams;”
Psalms 24:8-10, “Who is the King of glory? The LORD (Jehovah) strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.”
Verse 10, “Who is this King of glory?
This is what Paul meant when he wrote, “We speak of the wisdom of God in a mystery.” Jesus was that mystery, the glorious LORD, the LORD of glory.”
Manoah, the father of Samson, asked the angel of the LORD, Judges 13:17, “What is your name?”
He answered, “Why ask you thus after my name, seeing it is secret?” An Old Testament secret, revealed in the person of Jesus Christ, the "Lord of glory."
Acts 7:2, “The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham,”
He who was crucified as to his manhood, is the Lord of Glory, Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him,; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (I Corinthians 8:5,6, KJV)
Paul, in his first letter to the Corinthians, distinguished between the two individuals, God and Christ the Lord. There is not one Person referred to here, but two. Jesus is not God the Father.