195,000 Years To Invent The Shovel

[Yozavan]

Why did it take humans 195,000 years to Invent the shovel?

According to Wikipedia, shoulder blades from an ox were used as shovels 5-8 thousand years ago. Bronze shovels came much later. Biologists say humans have been doing their thing for 200,000 years

Possible considerations for debate:

1) Perhaps our racoonian ancesters were in shell shock after surviving the dinosaurian drama, thus PTSD was inherited by their future primate progeny.

2) We live in a simulation and such questions are futile.

3) Satan successfully thwarted every previous attempt to Invent a shovel.

4) Science only has two centuries under its belt, and shouldn't be taken seriously yet.

5) Shovels are exceedingly hard to invent.

[Clownboat]

Marke: There is a God and He will judge the unrepentant wicked for their abominable deeds just as He said He would.

There is no God that will do what you claim. You are simply projecting a belief you hold on to others. You cannot show truth to your words and therefore they are rejected. I for one don't believe you have special information that escapes the rest of us.

[The Barbarian]

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Annual Layers (Varves) in Lake Sediments Show the Earth Is ...
While varves, or annually laminated sediments, are often considered annual layers, tests on fossils and other methods have not definitively proven that they are always laid down in lakes yearly or semi-annually; while varve couplets can form in a single year, multiple pairs can also form, and the assumption of an annual cycle is not always supported by observational evidence.

And yet your AI can't come up with even one documented case wherein more than once couplet forms in lakes? I'm pretty sure I know why.

[marke]

Marke: Pointing out problems with unproven dating methods is not a complaint, it is simply posting facts.

Our dating methods do work though. You pretend they don't because you have preconceived religious beliefs to protect. I cannot respect such reasoning for rejecting that which we know.

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First, physicists have to test isotopes to learn how fast they decay. That's easily measured, and the rates are remarkably constant. Second, they need to use rocks wherein the daughter isotopes don't exit. This allows isochron lines to show actual ages. Third, they can use different isotopes from the same sample, to compare several different cases. So far, that always works. And of course, we can use the method for events of known age...

Precise dating of the destruction of Pompeii proves argon-argon method can reliably date rocks as young as 2,000 years
https://newsarchive.berkeley.edu/news/m ... mpeii.html

Radiometric dating works.

Marke: Refusing to even consider that the goddess Diana was not great and had no power did the Ephesians no good in Paul's day iand is no different than modern secularists refusing to consider or try to remedy the flaws in their secular dating methods of today.

Acts 19:34
But when they knew that he was a Jew, all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.

Acts 19:35
And when the town clerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?

[marke]

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Annual Layers (Varves) in Lake Sediments Show the Earth Is ...
While varves, or annually laminated sediments, are often considered annual layers, tests on fossils and other methods have not definitively proven that they are always laid down in lakes yearly or semi-annually; while varve couplets can form in a single year, multiple pairs can also form, and the assumption of an annual cycle is not always supported by observational evidence.

And yet your AI can't come up with even one documented case wherein more than once couplet forms in lakes? I'm pretty sure I know why.

Marke: Scientists have not irrefutably proven that nothing but slow sedimentation can cause the formation of lake varves.

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Yes, geological factors like earthquakes can indeed influence lake varve formation, creating distinct event layers or deformations that can be identified within the sediment record.

[The Barbarian]

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Annual Layers (Varves) in Lake Sediments Show the Earth Is ...
While varves, or annually laminated sediments, are often considered annual layers, tests on fossils and other methods have not definitively proven that they are always laid down in lakes yearly or semi-annually; while varve couplets can form in a single year, multiple pairs can also form, and the assumption of an annual cycle is not always supported by observational evidence.

And yet your AI can't come up with even one documented case wherein more than once couplet forms in lakes? I'm pretty sure I know why.

Marke: Scientists have not irrefutably proven that nothing but slow sedimentation can cause the formation of lake varves.

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Yes, geological factors like earthquakes can indeed influence lake varve formation, creating distinct event layers or deformations that can be identified within the sediment record.

You're right, such disruptions are easily identified. You continue to make my arguments for me.

[The Barbarian]

Refusing to even consider that the goddess Diana was not great and had no power did the Ephesians no good in Paul's day iand is no different than modern secularists refusing to consider or try to remedy the flaws in their secular dating methods of today.

Acts 19:34
But when they knew that he was a Jew, all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.

Acts 19:35
And when the town clerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?

The difference is evidence. As you now see, there is a great deal of evidence for the science of radioisotope dating. But Diana-worship and YE creationism are religious beliefs for which there is no evidence.

[marke]

Refusing to even consider that the goddess Diana was not great and had no power did the Ephesians no good in Paul's day iand is no different than modern secularists refusing to consider or try to remedy the flaws in their secular dating methods of today.

Acts 19:34
But when they knew that he was a Jew, all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.

Acts 19:35
And when the town clerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?

The difference is evidence. As you now see, there is a great deal of evidence for the science of radioisotope dating. But Diana-worship and YE creationism are religious beliefs for which there is no evidence.

Marke: All the evidence assembled in support of a flawed dating process cannot disprove the contradictions and flaws that supporters refuse to try to deal with.

[The Barbarian]

Refusing to even consider that the goddess Diana was not great and had no power did the Ephesians no good in Paul's day iand is no different than modern secularists refusing to consider or try to remedy the flaws in their secular dating methods of today.

Acts 19:34
But when they knew that he was a Jew, all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.

Acts 19:35
And when the town clerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?

The difference is evidence. As you now see, there is a great deal of evidence for the science of radioisotope dating. But Diana-worship and YE creationism are religious beliefs for which there is no evidence.

Marke: All the evidence assembled in support of a flawed dating process cannot disprove the contradictions and flaws that supporters refuse to try to deal with.

Bottom line, the evidence for radioisotope data is overwhelming. But there's none at all for Diana-worship or YE creationism. And denial isn't going to change those facts. Find a way to deal with the reality.

[marke]

ss cannot disprove the contradictions and flaws that supporters refuse to try to deal with.[/b]

Bottom line, the evidence for radioisotope data is overwhelming. But there's none at all for Diana-worship or YE creationism. And denial isn't going to change those facts. Find a way to deal with the reality.

Marke:

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No, radiometric dating is not 100% accurate, but it's a very reliable method for determining the age of rocks and other materials, with a high degree of accuracy, especially when multiple methods are used and results are cross-checked.

[Clownboat]

Marke: Pointing out problems with unproven dating methods is not a complaint, it is simply posting facts.

Our dating methods do work though. You pretend they don't because you have preconceived religious beliefs to protect. I cannot respect such reasoning for rejecting that which we know.

Post 71:
First, physicists have to test isotopes to learn how fast they decay. That's easily measured, and the rates are remarkably constant. Second, they need to use rocks wherein the daughter isotopes don't exit. This allows isochron lines to show actual ages. Third, they can use different isotopes from the same sample, to compare several different cases. So far, that always works. And of course, we can use the method for events of known age...

Precise dating of the destruction of Pompeii proves argon-argon method can reliably date rocks as young as 2,000 years
https://newsarchive.berkeley.edu/news/m ... mpeii.html

Radiometric dating works.

Marke: Refusing to even consider that the goddess Diana was not great and had no power did the Ephesians no good in Paul's day iand is no different than modern secularists refusing to consider or try to remedy the flaws in their secular dating methods of today.

Acts 19:34
But when they knew that he was a Jew, all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.

Acts 19:35
And when the town clerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshipper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?

That was a lot of words that didn't even address nor acknowledge that dating methods work. You also need to correct yourself about how dating methods are scientific. You called them secular for some reason.