195,000 Years To Invent The Shovel

[Yozavan]

Why did it take humans 195,000 years to Invent the shovel?

According to Wikipedia, shoulder blades from an ox were used as shovels 5-8 thousand years ago. Bronze shovels came much later. Biologists say humans have been doing their thing for 200,000 years

Possible considerations for debate:

1) Perhaps our racoonian ancesters were in shell shock after surviving the dinosaurian drama, thus PTSD was inherited by their future primate progeny.

2) We live in a simulation and such questions are futile.

3) Satan successfully thwarted every previous attempt to Invent a shovel.

4) Science only has two centuries under its belt, and shouldn't be taken seriously yet.

5) Shovels are exceedingly hard to invent.

[marke]

Secularists do not date things they insist are older than 50,000 years but how do they know the samples are older than 50,000 years if they refuse to use common dating methods to test them?

Scientists date things, not secularists, but to answer your question:

"Converging methods of radiometric dating" refers to using multiple different radiometric dating techniques on the same sample to cross-check and verify the age of a geological specimen, often by utilizing different radioactive decay chains with varying half-lives, like combining Uranium-Lead dating with Potassium-Argon dating to date a rock with greater accuracy; essentially, using multiple methods to arrive at the same age for a sample, enhancing the reliability of the result."

Furthermore, if C14 dating yields invalid results for samples secularists insist will corrupt the testing then how can they prove the results are not corrupted in all tests?

I see you have a need to war against a group that you call secularists. This is cult behavior. What cult are you a part of that is a war with secularists? Can you keep this cult behavior out of our debates and just debate what is being said and leave your boogiemen out of it? I promise, I won't let these secularists get you.

Atheists, unbelievers, scorners and assorted rebels against God have perverted science to promote unsound leftist assumptions and speculations falsely called science. The testing of dinosaur bones by an unsuspecting Georgia lab yielded a verification of the testing method that would not have likely ever been produced if the lab had not been tricked into conducting the normal test and produced the unvarnished test results, even though unbelievers with biases against the truth refused to accept the uncontaminated results.

[Clownboat]

Atheists, unbelievers, scorners and assorted rebels against God have perverted science to promote unsound leftist assumptions and speculations falsely called science.

With over 8 billion people on this planet, your claim above has possibly happened. If you are trying to claim that there is some vast conspiracy against your preferred god concept (as if it is special when compared to competing god concepts), please provide evidence. Otherwise you will just come across as a bit nutty and no one will take your claims seriously.

The testing of dinosaur bones by an unsuspecting Georgia lab yielded a verification of the testing method that would not have likely ever been produced if the lab had not been tricked into conducting the normal test and produced the unvarnished test results, even though unbelievers with biases against the truth refused to accept the uncontaminated results.

Radiometric dating does work, so I'm not sure what your point is.

[marke]

Atheists, unbelievers, scorners and assorted rebels against God have perverted science to promote unsound leftist assumptions and speculations falsely called science.

With over 8 billion people on this planet, your claim above has possibly happened. If you are trying to claim that there is some vast conspiracy against your preferred god concept (as if it is special when compared to competing god concepts), please provide evidence. Otherwise you will just come across as a bit nutty and no one will take your claims seriously.

The testing of dinosaur bones by an unsuspecting Georgia lab yielded a verification of the testing method that would not have likely ever been produced if the lab had not been tricked into conducting the normal test and produced the unvarnished test results, even though unbelievers with biases against the truth refused to accept the uncontaminated results.

Radiometric dating does work, so I'm not sure what your point is.

There are enough problems with dating methods and results to assure Christians that the Biblical record has as much validity as secular dating results.

[Clownboat]

Atheists, unbelievers, scorners and assorted rebels against God have perverted science to promote unsound leftist assumptions and speculations falsely called science.

With over 8 billion people on this planet, your claim above has possibly happened. If you are trying to claim that there is some vast conspiracy against your preferred god concept (as if it is special when compared to competing god concepts), please provide evidence. Otherwise you will just come across as a bit nutty and no one will take your claims seriously.

The testing of dinosaur bones by an unsuspecting Georgia lab yielded a verification of the testing method that would not have likely ever been produced if the lab had not been tricked into conducting the normal test and produced the unvarnished test results, even though unbelievers with biases against the truth refused to accept the uncontaminated results.

Radiometric dating does work, so I'm not sure what your point is.

There are enough problems with dating methods and results to assure Christians that the Biblical record has as much validity as secular dating results.

What you claim is demonstrably wrong because there is no agreed to Biblical record. You words are therefore nonsensical, sorry.

Be well.

Readers:
The above is a good example of why we sometimes must wait for existing populations to die off, while we educate the future generation to truths.
This very thing happened when we discovered that the earth is not the center of the solar system. This fact was not accepted by far too many. They took it to their graves and once they were dead and the next generation was properly educated about our solar system was the new information able to stick.

That is all that seems to be going on here (that some will refuse to learn) so there is hope for the future because the earth is getting less and less religious. Therefore people rejecting new information for religious reasons will also become less of a problem for humanity.

[The Barbarian]

Secularists do not date things they insist are older than 50,000 years but how do they know the samples are older than 50,000 years if they refuse to use common dating methods to test them?

Scientists date things, not secularists, but to answer your question:

"Converging methods of radiometric dating" refers to using multiple different radiometric dating techniques on the same sample to cross-check and verify the age of a geological specimen, often by utilizing different radioactive decay chains with varying half-lives, like combining Uranium-Lead dating with Potassium-Argon dating to date a rock with greater accuracy; essentially, using multiple methods to arrive at the same age for a sample, enhancing the reliability of the result."

Furthermore, if C14 dating yields invalid results for samples secularists insist will corrupt the testing then how can they prove the results are not corrupted in all tests?

I see you have a need to war against a group that you call secularists. This is cult behavior. What cult are you a part of that is a war with secularists? Can you keep this cult behavior out of our debates and just debate what is being said and leave your boogiemen out of it? I promise, I won't let these secularists get you.

Atheists, unbelievers, scorners and assorted rebels against God have perverted science to promote unsound leftist assumptions and speculations falsely called science. The testing of dinosaur bones by an unsuspecting Georgia lab yielded a verification of the testing method that would not have likely ever been produced if the lab had not been tricked into conducting the normal test and produced the unvarnished test results, even though unbelievers with biases against the truth refused to accept the uncontaminated results.

Someone's lied to you. You see, one can't test fossilized bones with radioisotope methods. You have to test rock above and/or below the fossils to get a date, or sometimes by dating specific minerals within the fossils. Sedimentary rock can't be directly dated by radioisotope methods. Do you understand why?

[marke]

Atheists, unbelievers, scorners and assorted rebels against God have perverted science to promote unsound leftist assumptions and speculations falsely called science.

With over 8 billion people on this planet, your claim above has possibly happened. If you are trying to claim that there is some vast conspiracy against your preferred god concept (as if it is special when compared to competing god concepts), please provide evidence. Otherwise you will just come across as a bit nutty and no one will take your claims seriously.

The testing of dinosaur bones by an unsuspecting Georgia lab yielded a verification of the testing method that would not have likely ever been produced if the lab had not been tricked into conducting the normal test and produced the unvarnished test results, even though unbelievers with biases against the truth refused to accept the uncontaminated results.

Radiometric dating does work, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Marke: Radiometric dating methods that cannot be tested for accuracy are not to be taken as irrefutably accurate. Tested dinosaur remains found to be less than 50,000 years old, for example, call into question the assumed millions of years old nearby rocks tested using methods that cannot be verified to be accurate.

[marke]

Atheists, unbelievers, scorners and assorted rebels against God have perverted science to promote unsound leftist assumptions and speculations falsely called science.

With over 8 billion people on this planet, your claim above has possibly happened. If you are trying to claim that there is some vast conspiracy against your preferred god concept (as if it is special when compared to competing god concepts), please provide evidence. Otherwise you will just come across as a bit nutty and no one will take your claims seriously.

The testing of dinosaur bones by an unsuspecting Georgia lab yielded a verification of the testing method that would not have likely ever been produced if the lab had not been tricked into conducting the normal test and produced the unvarnished test results, even though unbelievers with biases against the truth refused to accept the uncontaminated results.

Radiometric dating does work, so I'm not sure what your point is.

There are enough problems with dating methods and results to assure Christians that the Biblical record has as much validity as secular dating results.

What you claim is demonstrably wrong because there is no agreed to Biblical record. You words are therefore nonsensical, sorry.

Marke: It does not matter how many different opinions humans have about the Biblical record no human datimg method has ever been proven irrefutably accurate when yielding age of earth estimates in the billions of years.

[marke]

Readers:
The above is a good example of why we sometimes must wait for existing populations to die off, while we educate the future generation to truths.
This very thing happened when we discovered that the earth is not the center of the solar system. This fact was not accepted by far too many. They took it to their graves and once they were dead and the next generation was properly educated about our solar system was the new information able to stick.

Marke: Your suggestion about the need for those believing lies, myths, and false ideas to die off may have some validity in explaining why by God purged the wicked nations who promoted lies and wickedness as a result of their incurable delusions.

[marke]

That is all that seems to be going on here (that some will refuse to learn) so there is hope for the future because the earth is getting less and less religious. Therefore people rejecting new information for religious reasons will also become less of a problem for humanity.

Marke: The earth is becoming more ungodly which is why violence is increasing so alarmingly in America.

[marke]

Someone's lied to you. You see, one can't test fossilized bones with radioisotope methods. You have to test rock above and/or below the fossils to get a date, or sometimes by dating specific minerals within the fossils. Sedimentary rock can't be directly dated by radioisotope methods. Do you understand why?

Marke: How can researchers verify the accuracy of their testing methods? Easy. Have qualified labs do blind tests on bones to see if the results prove consistent. Take bones of mammoths and bones of dinosaurs and have the lab test them without telling the lab which are which.