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Jesus Christ has a God that he worships

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Jesus said that we all must love Jehovah our God and worship only Him. He stated clearly that his Father was the only true God (John 17:3); he didn't say that we are the only true God. In many places in the Scriptures he calls the Father "my God."

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3, KJV)

"Jesus saith unto her [Mary], Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father, but go to my brethren and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God. (John 20:17, KJV)

"At the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34, KJV)

"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall no more go out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." (Revelation 3:12, KJV)

I think Jesus wants us to recognize that his Father, Jehovah, is God, and he is God's Son. (John 10:36) What do you make of this?

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Re: Jesus Christ has a God that he worships

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Because He is all things---also the First and the Last---as well as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is just referred to as The First and the Last, but never Alpha and Omega. The Father is both, Jesus is just one of them, the First and the Last. That is like Jehovah being God Almighty AND a mighty god. A mighty god amongst all the gods of the nations. ("There is none like you among the gods, O Jehovah." Psalm 86:8) He is superior to all of them. He is also God Almighty. Jesus is not God Almighty but he is superior to all the lifeless gods of the nations.
And as the one who is to come, seen by all, even to those who pierced Him said "I am the Alpha and Omega" the Almighty.
Does the verse mentioned He is the Father?

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev. 1:8 has to refer to the Father, Jehovah. It is the Almighty who raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus died, which the Almighty never could do. That is why He sent Jesus here to be our Redeemer.

Jesus was pierced literally, of course, and his Father was pierced figuratively as a reference to His grief at His Son's ignominious death. Watching Jesus die was not pretty.
God the Father said, "they shall look upon me whom they have pierced". I colored red below. (Zec 12:10)
Who then saw the Father being pierced?

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn
I think that verse shows who is being "pierced" in that scenario. "As one mourneth for his only son, and in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." Whose "only son" is that? Who is "in bitterness for his firstborn?"
So, Jesus is the one being pierced in that scenario not the Father.
And Jesus is the one referred in Rev 1:7-8, whom being pierced and is to come, the Alpha and the Omega, the Almighty.
Once again you skirted my question. Who is the One that "mourneth for his only Son, and in bitterness for him, as One that is in bitterness for His firstborn."? Whose "only Son" is that? Who is in bitterness for His firstborn?
Yes, the Father mourneth for Jesus.
But you did not answer the question, "Who were they that look upon the Father when He was pierced"?
Since Jesus represented his Father, the ones who looked upon him who is pierced would be the Roman soldiers and the Pharisees who looked upon him as he hung there on the stake.
Yes, Jesus human body was being pierced, whom is mentioned in Rev 1:7-8, who is to come.
Verse 7 is Jesus. Verse 8 refers to Jehovah God, the Father.

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onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:45 pm
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And as the one who is to come, seen by all, even to those who pierced Him said "I am the Alpha and Omega" the Almighty.
Does the verse mentioned He is the Father?

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Rev. 1:8 has to refer to the Father, Jehovah. It is the Almighty who raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus died, which the Almighty never could do. That is why He sent Jesus here to be our Redeemer.

Jesus was pierced literally, of course, and his Father was pierced figuratively as a reference to His grief at His Son's ignominious death. Watching Jesus die was not pretty.
God the Father said, "they shall look upon me whom they have pierced". I colored red below. (Zec 12:10)
Who then saw the Father being pierced?

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn
I think that verse shows who is being "pierced" in that scenario. "As one mourneth for his only son, and in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." Whose "only son" is that? Who is "in bitterness for his firstborn?"
So, Jesus is the one being pierced in that scenario not the Father.
And Jesus is the one referred in Rev 1:7-8, whom being pierced and is to come, the Alpha and the Omega, the Almighty.
Once again you skirted my question. Who is the One that "mourneth for his only Son, and in bitterness for him, as One that is in bitterness for His firstborn."? Whose "only Son" is that? Who is in bitterness for His firstborn?
Yes, the Father mourneth for Jesus.
But you did not answer the question, "Who were they that look upon the Father when He was pierced"?
Since Jesus represented his Father, the ones who looked upon him who is pierced would be the Roman soldiers and the Pharisees who looked upon him as he hung there on the stake.
Yes, Jesus human body was being pierced, whom is mentioned in Rev 1:7-8, who is to come.
Verse 7 is Jesus. Verse 8 refers to Jehovah God, the Father.
Would you accept that Jesus was wrong in the Bible text below?

Jhn 5:37 And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen.

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Capbook wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:10 am
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:45 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:25 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:12 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:31 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 11:44 am
Capbook wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 2:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:04 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 3:18 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 2:20 pm
Rev. 1:8 has to refer to the Father, Jehovah. It is the Almighty who raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus died, which the Almighty never could do. That is why He sent Jesus here to be our Redeemer.

Jesus was pierced literally, of course, and his Father was pierced figuratively as a reference to His grief at His Son's ignominious death. Watching Jesus die was not pretty.
God the Father said, "they shall look upon me whom they have pierced". I colored red below. (Zec 12:10)
Who then saw the Father being pierced?

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn
I think that verse shows who is being "pierced" in that scenario. "As one mourneth for his only son, and in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." Whose "only son" is that? Who is "in bitterness for his firstborn?"
So, Jesus is the one being pierced in that scenario not the Father.
And Jesus is the one referred in Rev 1:7-8, whom being pierced and is to come, the Alpha and the Omega, the Almighty.
Once again you skirted my question. Who is the One that "mourneth for his only Son, and in bitterness for him, as One that is in bitterness for His firstborn."? Whose "only Son" is that? Who is in bitterness for His firstborn?
Yes, the Father mourneth for Jesus.
But you did not answer the question, "Who were they that look upon the Father when He was pierced"?
Since Jesus represented his Father, the ones who looked upon him who is pierced would be the Roman soldiers and the Pharisees who looked upon him as he hung there on the stake.
Yes, Jesus human body was being pierced, whom is mentioned in Rev 1:7-8, who is to come.
Verse 7 is Jesus. Verse 8 refers to Jehovah God, the Father.
Would you accept that Jesus was wrong in the Bible text below?

Jhn 5:37 And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen.
Why would Jesus be wrong in my estimation? He is just saying that the Father sent him and has borne witness about him. Also that men have never seen God, and the Pharisees never heard His voice. What is your point?

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onewithhim wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:46 am
Capbook wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:10 am
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 2:45 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 12:25 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:12 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:31 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 11:44 am
Capbook wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 2:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:04 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 3:18 pm

God the Father said, "they shall look upon me whom they have pierced". I colored red below. (Zec 12:10)
Who then saw the Father being pierced?

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn
I think that verse shows who is being "pierced" in that scenario. "As one mourneth for his only son, and in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." Whose "only son" is that? Who is "in bitterness for his firstborn?"
So, Jesus is the one being pierced in that scenario not the Father.
And Jesus is the one referred in Rev 1:7-8, whom being pierced and is to come, the Alpha and the Omega, the Almighty.
Once again you skirted my question. Who is the One that "mourneth for his only Son, and in bitterness for him, as One that is in bitterness for His firstborn."? Whose "only Son" is that? Who is in bitterness for His firstborn?
Yes, the Father mourneth for Jesus.
But you did not answer the question, "Who were they that look upon the Father when He was pierced"?
Since Jesus represented his Father, the ones who looked upon him who is pierced would be the Roman soldiers and the Pharisees who looked upon him as he hung there on the stake.
Yes, Jesus human body was being pierced, whom is mentioned in Rev 1:7-8, who is to come.
Verse 7 is Jesus. Verse 8 refers to Jehovah God, the Father.
Would you accept that Jesus was wrong in the Bible text below?

Jhn 5:37 And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen.
Why would Jesus be wrong in my estimation? He is just saying that the Father sent him and has borne witness about him. Also that men have never seen God, and the Pharisees never heard His voice. What is your point?
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What does "at any time" means to you? Read the context is it only the Pharisees?

Jhn 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

πώποτε pōpote
Thayer Definition:
1) ever, at any time

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