195,000 Years To Invent The Shovel

[Yozavan]

Why did it take humans 195,000 years to Invent the shovel?

According to Wikipedia, shoulder blades from an ox were used as shovels 5-8 thousand years ago. Bronze shovels came much later. Biologists say humans have been doing their thing for 200,000 years

Possible considerations for debate:

1) Perhaps our racoonian ancesters were in shell shock after surviving the dinosaurian drama, thus PTSD was inherited by their future primate progeny.

2) We live in a simulation and such questions are futile.

3) Satan successfully thwarted every previous attempt to Invent a shovel.

4) Science only has two centuries under its belt, and shouldn't be taken seriously yet.

5) Shovels are exceedingly hard to invent.

[marke]

First of all, human civilization is no more than 10,000 years old, so whoever is claiming the shovel was invented 195,000 years ago does not know all the facts.

You're assuming that until civilization began, shovels were impossible. Which seems to be an extraordinarily bad assumption. Particularly, given the evidence at hand.

If shovels were invented before humans became civilized does that mean the 'humans' who invented the shovel were not yet fully transitioned from savage vine-swinging apes into civilized humans?

[marke]

First of all, human civilization is no more than 10,000 years old, so whoever is claiming the shovel was invented 195,000 years ago does not know all the facts.

You're assuming that until civilization began, shovels were impossible. Which seems to be an extraordinarily bad assumption. Particularly, given the evidence at hand.

The point I noticed is that the relatively short period of recorded civilization in human history corresponds with the Biblical record of human existence.

[marke]

First of all, human civilization is no more than 10,000 years old, so whoever is claiming the shovel was invented 195,000 years ago does not know all the facts.

You're assuming that until civilization began, shovels were impossible. Which seems to be an extraordinarily bad assumption. Particularly, given the evidence at hand.

Archaeological evidence showing the relatively recent origin of human civilizations corresponds with the historical Biblical record.

[The Barbarian]

First of all, human civilization is no more than 10,000 years old, so whoever is claiming the shovel was invented 195,000 years ago does not know all the facts.

You're assuming that until civilization began, shovels were impossible. Which seems to be an extraordinarily bad assumption. Particularly, given the evidence at hand.

Archaeological evidence showing the relatively recent origin of human civilizations corresponds with the historical Biblical record.

Archaeological evidence shows that shovels preceded civilization by a very, very long time. And since the Bible doesn't contain a checkable chronology, pretty much any date for Adam and Eve, the Flood, and so one will work.

[The Barbarian]

First of all, human civilization is no more than 10,000 years old, so whoever is claiming the shovel was invented 195,000 years ago does not know all the facts.

You're assuming that until civilization began, shovels were impossible. Which seems to be an extraordinarily bad assumption. Particularly, given the evidence at hand.

If shovels were invented before humans became civilized does that mean the 'humans' who invented the shovel were not yet fully transitioned from savage vine-swinging apes into civilized humans?

Never saw an ape swing on a vine. Forget George of the Jungle. Humans were walking around, using digging tools long before our own species evolved.

[marke]

First of all, human civilization is no more than 10,000 years old, so whoever is claiming the shovel was invented 195,000 years ago does not know all the facts.

You're assuming that until civilization began, shovels were impossible. Which seems to be an extraordinarily bad assumption. Particularly, given the evidence at hand.

Archaeological evidence showing the relatively recent origin of human civilizations corresponds with the historical Biblical record.

Archaeological evidence shows that shovels preceded civilization by a very, very long time. And since the Bible doesn't contain a checkable chronology, pretty much any date for Adam and Eve, the Flood, and so one will work.

If secular archaeological findings have shown that the olest human civilizations uncovered were not older than 10,000 years then I again encourage secularists to re-examine their suspect dating methods, conclusions, and assumptions.

[marke]

First of all, human civilization is no more than 10,000 years old, so whoever is claiming the shovel was invented 195,000 years ago does not know all the facts.

You're assuming that until civilization began, shovels were impossible. Which seems to be an extraordinarily bad assumption. Particularly, given the evidence at hand.

If shovels were invented before humans became civilized does that mean the 'humans' who invented the shovel were not yet fully transitioned from savage vine-swinging apes into civilized humans?

Never saw an ape swing on a vine. Forget George of the Jungle. Humans were walking around, using digging tools long before our own species evolved.

What evidence do we have that early blacks in Africa emerging from their evolutional animal ancestry developed shovels?

[The Barbarian]

First of all, human civilization is no more than 10,000 years old, so whoever is claiming the shovel was invented 195,000 years ago does not know all the facts.

You're assuming that until civilization began, shovels were impossible. Which seems to be an extraordinarily bad assumption. Particularly, given the evidence at hand.

If shovels were invented before humans became civilized does that mean the 'humans' who invented the shovel were not yet fully transitioned from savage vine-swinging apes into civilized humans?

Never saw an ape swing on a vine. Forget George of the Jungle. Humans were walking around, using digging tools long before our own species evolved.

What evidence do we have that early blacks in Africa emerging from their evolutional animal ancestry developed shovels?

All humans began in Africa. And the characteristics we associate with black people evolved after the rest of us left Africa for the rest of the world. Don't believe racist stupidity.

[The Barbarian]

First of all, human civilization is no more than 10,000 years old, so whoever is claiming the shovel was invented 195,000 years ago does not know all the facts.

You're assuming that until civilization began, shovels were impossible. Which seems to be an extraordinarily bad assumption. Particularly, given the evidence at hand.

Archaeological evidence showing the relatively recent origin of human civilizations corresponds with the historical Biblical record.

Archaeological evidence shows that shovels preceded civilization by a very, very long time. And since the Bible doesn't contain a checkable chronology, pretty much any date for Adam and Eve, the Flood, and so one will work.

If secular archaeological findings have shown that the olest human civilizations uncovered were not older than 10,000 years then I again encourage secularists to re-examine their suspect dating methods, conclusions, and assumptions.

Of course, the archaeological findings show civilizations are older than that. The evidence also shows that humans were around for many millennia before civilization. And as you learned, shovels are a lot older than civilization.

[marke]

First of all, human civilization is no more than 10,000 years old, so whoever is claiming the shovel was invented 195,000 years ago does not know all the facts.

You're assuming that until civilization began, shovels were impossible. Which seems to be an extraordinarily bad assumption. Particularly, given the evidence at hand.

If shovels were invented before humans became civilized does that mean the 'humans' who invented the shovel were not yet fully transitioned from savage vine-swinging apes into civilized humans?

Never saw an ape swing on a vine. Forget George of the Jungle. Humans were walking around, using digging tools long before our own species evolved.

What evidence do we have that early blacks in Africa emerging from their evolutional animal ancestry developed shovels?

All humans began in Africa. And the characteristics we associate with black people evolved after the rest of us left Africa for the rest of the world. Don't believe racist stupidity.

Unlike Darwin and his followers, I do not believe humans fist evolved as black savages in Africa.