Jesus Christ has a God that he worships

[onewithhim]

Jesus said that we all must love Jehovah our God and worship only Him. He stated clearly that his Father was the only true God (John 17:3); he didn't say that we are the only true God. In many places in the Scriptures he calls the Father "my God."

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3, KJV)

"Jesus saith unto her [Mary], Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father, but go to my brethren and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God. (John 20:17, KJV)

"At the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34, KJV)

"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall no more go out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." (Revelation 3:12, KJV)

I think Jesus wants us to recognize that his Father, Jehovah, is God, and he is God's Son. (John 10:36) What do you make of this?

[onewithhim]

He is not. It says clearly that God resurrected Jesus. So it isn't God who was dead. It was Jesus who was entirely dependent on "God."

Is Jesus is mighty (gibbor) God in heaven? (Isa 9:6)
Also is the Father mighty (gibbor) God. (Isa 10:20,21)
Why is that they are both "gibbor"?

Isa 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God

El Gibbor means mighty god, but not the Almighty God. So Jesus is El Gibbor, a mighty, powerful god. The Almighty God is El Shaddai, and Jehovah alone is El Shaddai. Jehovah is also El Gibbor in some passages, but Jesus is never El Shaddai.

Jehovah = El Shaddai (and sometimes referred to as El Gibbor)
Jesus = El Gibbor and never El Shaddai

And why they are both called mighty God?
Also why God in Isa9:6 in uppercase G?

They are both "Mighty God" because Jehovah is the Highest of anyone, with all the power, and Jesus is a Mighty God because that is what El Gibbohr means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence. Jehovah is both. Jesus is just one. We can take the uppercase "G" of "Mighty God" and dispense with it (except in Jehovah's case). There are no capitals in Hebrew anyway. And Jehovah is Almighty God, "El Shaddai," which Jesus is not.

Can your definition of, "El Gibbor means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence", be applied to the Father also?
I just hope you are familiar with Hebrew word I colored red in Isa 9:6.
The mighty God defined by lexicon as Jehovah.
Is this original Hebrew text wrong?

יהוה yehôvâh
BDB Definition:
Jehovah = “the existing One”
1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H136

Isa 9:6 לםרבה H4766  המשׂרה H4951  ולשׁלום H7965  אין H369  קץ H7093  על H5921  כסא H3678  דוד H1732  ועל H5921  ממלכתו H4467  להכין H3559  אתה H853  ולסעדה H5582  במשׁפט H4941  ובצדקה H6666  מעתה H6258  ועד H5704  עולם H5769  קנאת H7068  יהוה H3068  צבאות H6635  תעשׂה H6213  זאת׃ H2063 

I said that Jehovah can be called "El Gibbohr" as well. The difference is that Jesus is called "El Gibbohr" but never "El Shaddai," which means God Almighty. Only Jehovah is "El Shaddai."

And why the Almighty Father said I am the first and the last? (Rev 22:13)
As you've said Jesus is the first and last.
Do the Father is wrong?

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last

The Father is Alpha and Omega. Jesus is not referred to as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is "the first and the last," but not Alpha and Omega. "The first and the last" is written in Greek letters different from Alpha and Omega. They are not the same.

Yes, then what is the reason why the Almighty Father called Himself the first and the last?

Because He is all things---also the First and the Last---as well as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is just referred to as The First and the Last, but never Alpha and Omega. The Father is both, Jesus is just one of them, the First and the Last. That is like Jehovah being God Almighty AND a mighty god. A mighty god amongst all the gods of the nations. ("There is none like you among the gods, O Jehovah." Psalm 86:8) He is superior to all of them. He is also God Almighty. Jesus is not God Almighty but he is superior to all the lifeless gods of the nations.

[Capbook]

Is Jesus is mighty (gibbor) God in heaven? (Isa 9:6)
Also is the Father mighty (gibbor) God. (Isa 10:20,21)
Why is that they are both "gibbor"?

Isa 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God

El Gibbor means mighty god, but not the Almighty God. So Jesus is El Gibbor, a mighty, powerful god. The Almighty God is El Shaddai, and Jehovah alone is El Shaddai. Jehovah is also El Gibbor in some passages, but Jesus is never El Shaddai.

Jehovah = El Shaddai (and sometimes referred to as El Gibbor)
Jesus = El Gibbor and never El Shaddai

And why they are both called mighty God?
Also why God in Isa9:6 in uppercase G?

They are both "Mighty God" because Jehovah is the Highest of anyone, with all the power, and Jesus is a Mighty God because that is what El Gibbohr means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence. Jehovah is both. Jesus is just one. We can take the uppercase "G" of "Mighty God" and dispense with it (except in Jehovah's case). There are no capitals in Hebrew anyway. And Jehovah is Almighty God, "El Shaddai," which Jesus is not.

Can your definition of, "El Gibbor means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence", be applied to the Father also?
I just hope you are familiar with Hebrew word I colored red in Isa 9:6.
The mighty God defined by lexicon as Jehovah.
Is this original Hebrew text wrong?

יהוה yehôvâh
BDB Definition:
Jehovah = “the existing One”
1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H136

Isa 9:6 לםרבה H4766  המשׂרה H4951  ולשׁלום H7965  אין H369  קץ H7093  על H5921  כסא H3678  דוד H1732  ועל H5921  ממלכתו H4467  להכין H3559  אתה H853  ולסעדה H5582  במשׁפט H4941  ובצדקה H6666  מעתה H6258  ועד H5704  עולם H5769  קנאת H7068  יהוה H3068  צבאות H6635  תעשׂה H6213  זאת׃ H2063 

I said that Jehovah can be called "El Gibbohr" as well. The difference is that Jesus is called "El Gibbohr" but never "El Shaddai," which means God Almighty. Only Jehovah is "El Shaddai."

And why the Almighty Father said I am the first and the last? (Rev 22:13)
As you've said Jesus is the first and last.
Do the Father is wrong?

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last

The Father is Alpha and Omega. Jesus is not referred to as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is "the first and the last," but not Alpha and Omega. "The first and the last" is written in Greek letters different from Alpha and Omega. They are not the same.

Yes, then what is the reason why the Almighty Father called Himself the first and the last?

Because He is all things---also the First and the Last---as well as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is just referred to as The First and the Last, but never Alpha and Omega. The Father is both, Jesus is just one of them, the First and the Last. That is like Jehovah being God Almighty AND a mighty god. A mighty god amongst all the gods of the nations. ("There is none like you among the gods, O Jehovah." Psalm 86:8) He is superior to all of them. He is also God Almighty. Jesus is not God Almighty but he is superior to all the lifeless gods of the nations.

And as the one who is to come, seen by all, even to those who pierced Him said "I am the Alpha and Omega" the Almighty.
Does the verse mentioned He is the Father?

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

[onewithhim]

El Gibbor means mighty god, but not the Almighty God. So Jesus is El Gibbor, a mighty, powerful god. The Almighty God is El Shaddai, and Jehovah alone is El Shaddai. Jehovah is also El Gibbor in some passages, but Jesus is never El Shaddai.

Jehovah = El Shaddai (and sometimes referred to as El Gibbor)
Jesus = El Gibbor and never El Shaddai

And why they are both called mighty God?
Also why God in Isa9:6 in uppercase G?

They are both "Mighty God" because Jehovah is the Highest of anyone, with all the power, and Jesus is a Mighty God because that is what El Gibbohr means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence. Jehovah is both. Jesus is just one. We can take the uppercase "G" of "Mighty God" and dispense with it (except in Jehovah's case). There are no capitals in Hebrew anyway. And Jehovah is Almighty God, "El Shaddai," which Jesus is not.

Can your definition of, "El Gibbor means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence", be applied to the Father also?
I just hope you are familiar with Hebrew word I colored red in Isa 9:6.
The mighty God defined by lexicon as Jehovah.
Is this original Hebrew text wrong?

יהוה yehôvâh
BDB Definition:
Jehovah = “the existing One”
1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H136

Isa 9:6 לםרבה H4766  המשׂרה H4951  ולשׁלום H7965  אין H369  קץ H7093  על H5921  כסא H3678  דוד H1732  ועל H5921  ממלכתו H4467  להכין H3559  אתה H853  ולסעדה H5582  במשׁפט H4941  ובצדקה H6666  מעתה H6258  ועד H5704  עולם H5769  קנאת H7068  יהוה H3068  צבאות H6635  תעשׂה H6213  זאת׃ H2063 

I said that Jehovah can be called "El Gibbohr" as well. The difference is that Jesus is called "El Gibbohr" but never "El Shaddai," which means God Almighty. Only Jehovah is "El Shaddai."

And why the Almighty Father said I am the first and the last? (Rev 22:13)
As you've said Jesus is the first and last.
Do the Father is wrong?

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last

The Father is Alpha and Omega. Jesus is not referred to as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is "the first and the last," but not Alpha and Omega. "The first and the last" is written in Greek letters different from Alpha and Omega. They are not the same.

Yes, then what is the reason why the Almighty Father called Himself the first and the last?

Because He is all things---also the First and the Last---as well as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is just referred to as The First and the Last, but never Alpha and Omega. The Father is both, Jesus is just one of them, the First and the Last. That is like Jehovah being God Almighty AND a mighty god. A mighty god amongst all the gods of the nations. ("There is none like you among the gods, O Jehovah." Psalm 86:8) He is superior to all of them. He is also God Almighty. Jesus is not God Almighty but he is superior to all the lifeless gods of the nations.

And as the one who is to come, seen by all, even to those who pierced Him said "I am the Alpha and Omega" the Almighty.
Does the verse mentioned He is the Father?

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev. 1:8 has to refer to the Father, Jehovah. It is the Almighty who raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus died, which the Almighty never could do. That is why He sent Jesus here to be our Redeemer.

Jesus was pierced literally, of course, and his Father was pierced figuratively as a reference to His grief at His Son's ignominious death. Watching Jesus die was not pretty.

[Capbook]

And why they are both called mighty God?
Also why God in Isa9:6 in uppercase G?

They are both "Mighty God" because Jehovah is the Highest of anyone, with all the power, and Jesus is a Mighty God because that is what El Gibbohr means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence. Jehovah is both. Jesus is just one. We can take the uppercase "G" of "Mighty God" and dispense with it (except in Jehovah's case). There are no capitals in Hebrew anyway. And Jehovah is Almighty God, "El Shaddai," which Jesus is not.

Can your definition of, "El Gibbor means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence", be applied to the Father also?
I just hope you are familiar with Hebrew word I colored red in Isa 9:6.
The mighty God defined by lexicon as Jehovah.
Is this original Hebrew text wrong?

יהוה yehôvâh
BDB Definition:
Jehovah = “the existing One”
1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H136

Isa 9:6 לםרבה H4766  המשׂרה H4951  ולשׁלום H7965  אין H369  קץ H7093  על H5921  כסא H3678  דוד H1732  ועל H5921  ממלכתו H4467  להכין H3559  אתה H853  ולסעדה H5582  במשׁפט H4941  ובצדקה H6666  מעתה H6258  ועד H5704  עולם H5769  קנאת H7068  יהוה H3068  צבאות H6635  תעשׂה H6213  זאת׃ H2063 

I said that Jehovah can be called "El Gibbohr" as well. The difference is that Jesus is called "El Gibbohr" but never "El Shaddai," which means God Almighty. Only Jehovah is "El Shaddai."

And why the Almighty Father said I am the first and the last? (Rev 22:13)
As you've said Jesus is the first and last.
Do the Father is wrong?

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last

The Father is Alpha and Omega. Jesus is not referred to as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is "the first and the last," but not Alpha and Omega. "The first and the last" is written in Greek letters different from Alpha and Omega. They are not the same.

Yes, then what is the reason why the Almighty Father called Himself the first and the last?

Because He is all things---also the First and the Last---as well as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is just referred to as The First and the Last, but never Alpha and Omega. The Father is both, Jesus is just one of them, the First and the Last. That is like Jehovah being God Almighty AND a mighty god. A mighty god amongst all the gods of the nations. ("There is none like you among the gods, O Jehovah." Psalm 86:8) He is superior to all of them. He is also God Almighty. Jesus is not God Almighty but he is superior to all the lifeless gods of the nations.

And as the one who is to come, seen by all, even to those who pierced Him said "I am the Alpha and Omega" the Almighty.
Does the verse mentioned He is the Father?

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev. 1:8 has to refer to the Father, Jehovah. It is the Almighty who raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus died, which the Almighty never could do. That is why He sent Jesus here to be our Redeemer.

Jesus was pierced literally, of course, and his Father was pierced figuratively as a reference to His grief at His Son's ignominious death. Watching Jesus die was not pretty.

God the Father said, "they shall look upon me whom they have pierced". I colored red below. (Zec 12:10)
Who then saw the Father being pierced?

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn

[onewithhim]

They are both "Mighty God" because Jehovah is the Highest of anyone, with all the power, and Jesus is a Mighty God because that is what El Gibbohr means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence. Jehovah is both. Jesus is just one. We can take the uppercase "G" of "Mighty God" and dispense with it (except in Jehovah's case). There are no capitals in Hebrew anyway. And Jehovah is Almighty God, "El Shaddai," which Jesus is not.

Can your definition of, "El Gibbor means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence", be applied to the Father also?
I just hope you are familiar with Hebrew word I colored red in Isa 9:6.
The mighty God defined by lexicon as Jehovah.
Is this original Hebrew text wrong?

יהוה yehôvâh
BDB Definition:
Jehovah = “the existing One”
1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H136

Isa 9:6 לםרבה H4766  המשׂרה H4951  ולשׁלום H7965  אין H369  קץ H7093  על H5921  כסא H3678  דוד H1732  ועל H5921  ממלכתו H4467  להכין H3559  אתה H853  ולסעדה H5582  במשׁפט H4941  ובצדקה H6666  מעתה H6258  ועד H5704  עולם H5769  קנאת H7068  יהוה H3068  צבאות H6635  תעשׂה H6213  זאת׃ H2063 

I said that Jehovah can be called "El Gibbohr" as well. The difference is that Jesus is called "El Gibbohr" but never "El Shaddai," which means God Almighty. Only Jehovah is "El Shaddai."

And why the Almighty Father said I am the first and the last? (Rev 22:13)
As you've said Jesus is the first and last.
Do the Father is wrong?

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last

The Father is Alpha and Omega. Jesus is not referred to as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is "the first and the last," but not Alpha and Omega. "The first and the last" is written in Greek letters different from Alpha and Omega. They are not the same.

Yes, then what is the reason why the Almighty Father called Himself the first and the last?

Because He is all things---also the First and the Last---as well as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is just referred to as The First and the Last, but never Alpha and Omega. The Father is both, Jesus is just one of them, the First and the Last. That is like Jehovah being God Almighty AND a mighty god. A mighty god amongst all the gods of the nations. ("There is none like you among the gods, O Jehovah." Psalm 86:8) He is superior to all of them. He is also God Almighty. Jesus is not God Almighty but he is superior to all the lifeless gods of the nations.

And as the one who is to come, seen by all, even to those who pierced Him said "I am the Alpha and Omega" the Almighty.
Does the verse mentioned He is the Father?

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev. 1:8 has to refer to the Father, Jehovah. It is the Almighty who raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus died, which the Almighty never could do. That is why He sent Jesus here to be our Redeemer.

Jesus was pierced literally, of course, and his Father was pierced figuratively as a reference to His grief at His Son's ignominious death. Watching Jesus die was not pretty.

God the Father said, "they shall look upon me whom they have pierced". I colored red below. (Zec 12:10)
Who then saw the Father being pierced?

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn

I think that verse shows who is being "pierced" in that scenario. "As one mourneth for his only son, and in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." Whose "only son" is that? Who is "in bitterness for his firstborn?"

[Capbook]

Can your definition of, "El Gibbor means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence", be applied to the Father also?
I just hope you are familiar with Hebrew word I colored red in Isa 9:6.
The mighty God defined by lexicon as Jehovah.
Is this original Hebrew text wrong?

יהוה yehôvâh
BDB Definition:
Jehovah = “the existing One”
1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H136

Isa 9:6 לםרבה H4766  המשׂרה H4951  ולשׁלום H7965  אין H369  קץ H7093  על H5921  כסא H3678  דוד H1732  ועל H5921  ממלכתו H4467  להכין H3559  אתה H853  ולסעדה H5582  במשׁפט H4941  ובצדקה H6666  מעתה H6258  ועד H5704  עולם H5769  קנאת H7068  יהוה H3068  צבאות H6635  תעשׂה H6213  זאת׃ H2063 

I said that Jehovah can be called "El Gibbohr" as well. The difference is that Jesus is called "El Gibbohr" but never "El Shaddai," which means God Almighty. Only Jehovah is "El Shaddai."

And why the Almighty Father said I am the first and the last? (Rev 22:13)
As you've said Jesus is the first and last.
Do the Father is wrong?

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last

The Father is Alpha and Omega. Jesus is not referred to as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is "the first and the last," but not Alpha and Omega. "The first and the last" is written in Greek letters different from Alpha and Omega. They are not the same.

Yes, then what is the reason why the Almighty Father called Himself the first and the last?

Because He is all things---also the First and the Last---as well as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is just referred to as The First and the Last, but never Alpha and Omega. The Father is both, Jesus is just one of them, the First and the Last. That is like Jehovah being God Almighty AND a mighty god. A mighty god amongst all the gods of the nations. ("There is none like you among the gods, O Jehovah." Psalm 86:8) He is superior to all of them. He is also God Almighty. Jesus is not God Almighty but he is superior to all the lifeless gods of the nations.

And as the one who is to come, seen by all, even to those who pierced Him said "I am the Alpha and Omega" the Almighty.
Does the verse mentioned He is the Father?

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev. 1:8 has to refer to the Father, Jehovah. It is the Almighty who raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus died, which the Almighty never could do. That is why He sent Jesus here to be our Redeemer.

Jesus was pierced literally, of course, and his Father was pierced figuratively as a reference to His grief at His Son's ignominious death. Watching Jesus die was not pretty.

God the Father said, "they shall look upon me whom they have pierced". I colored red below. (Zec 12:10)
Who then saw the Father being pierced?

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn

I think that verse shows who is being "pierced" in that scenario. "As one mourneth for his only son, and in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." Whose "only son" is that? Who is "in bitterness for his firstborn?"

So, Jesus is the one being pierced in that scenario not the Father.
And Jesus is the one referred in Rev 1:7-8, whom being pierced and is to come, the Alpha and the Omega, the Almighty.

[onewithhim]

I said that Jehovah can be called "El Gibbohr" as well. The difference is that Jesus is called "El Gibbohr" but never "El Shaddai," which means God Almighty. Only Jehovah is "El Shaddai."

And why the Almighty Father said I am the first and the last? (Rev 22:13)
As you've said Jesus is the first and last.
Do the Father is wrong?

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last

The Father is Alpha and Omega. Jesus is not referred to as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is "the first and the last," but not Alpha and Omega. "The first and the last" is written in Greek letters different from Alpha and Omega. They are not the same.

Yes, then what is the reason why the Almighty Father called Himself the first and the last?

Because He is all things---also the First and the Last---as well as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is just referred to as The First and the Last, but never Alpha and Omega. The Father is both, Jesus is just one of them, the First and the Last. That is like Jehovah being God Almighty AND a mighty god. A mighty god amongst all the gods of the nations. ("There is none like you among the gods, O Jehovah." Psalm 86:8) He is superior to all of them. He is also God Almighty. Jesus is not God Almighty but he is superior to all the lifeless gods of the nations.

And as the one who is to come, seen by all, even to those who pierced Him said "I am the Alpha and Omega" the Almighty.
Does the verse mentioned He is the Father?

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev. 1:8 has to refer to the Father, Jehovah. It is the Almighty who raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus died, which the Almighty never could do. That is why He sent Jesus here to be our Redeemer.

Jesus was pierced literally, of course, and his Father was pierced figuratively as a reference to His grief at His Son's ignominious death. Watching Jesus die was not pretty.

God the Father said, "they shall look upon me whom they have pierced". I colored red below. (Zec 12:10)
Who then saw the Father being pierced?

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn

I think that verse shows who is being "pierced" in that scenario. "As one mourneth for his only son, and in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." Whose "only son" is that? Who is "in bitterness for his firstborn?"

So, Jesus is the one being pierced in that scenario not the Father.
And Jesus is the one referred in Rev 1:7-8, whom being pierced and is to come, the Alpha and the Omega, the Almighty.

Once again you skirted my question. Who is the One that "mourneth for his only Son, and in bitterness for him, as One that is in bitterness for His firstborn."? Whose "only Son" is that? Who is in bitterness for His firstborn?

[Capbook]

And why the Almighty Father said I am the first and the last? (Rev 22:13)
As you've said Jesus is the first and last.
Do the Father is wrong?

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last

The Father is Alpha and Omega. Jesus is not referred to as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is "the first and the last," but not Alpha and Omega. "The first and the last" is written in Greek letters different from Alpha and Omega. They are not the same.

Yes, then what is the reason why the Almighty Father called Himself the first and the last?

Because He is all things---also the First and the Last---as well as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is just referred to as The First and the Last, but never Alpha and Omega. The Father is both, Jesus is just one of them, the First and the Last. That is like Jehovah being God Almighty AND a mighty god. A mighty god amongst all the gods of the nations. ("There is none like you among the gods, O Jehovah." Psalm 86:8) He is superior to all of them. He is also God Almighty. Jesus is not God Almighty but he is superior to all the lifeless gods of the nations.

And as the one who is to come, seen by all, even to those who pierced Him said "I am the Alpha and Omega" the Almighty.
Does the verse mentioned He is the Father?

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev. 1:8 has to refer to the Father, Jehovah. It is the Almighty who raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus died, which the Almighty never could do. That is why He sent Jesus here to be our Redeemer.

Jesus was pierced literally, of course, and his Father was pierced figuratively as a reference to His grief at His Son's ignominious death. Watching Jesus die was not pretty.

God the Father said, "they shall look upon me whom they have pierced". I colored red below. (Zec 12:10)
Who then saw the Father being pierced?

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn

I think that verse shows who is being "pierced" in that scenario. "As one mourneth for his only son, and in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." Whose "only son" is that? Who is "in bitterness for his firstborn?"

So, Jesus is the one being pierced in that scenario not the Father.
And Jesus is the one referred in Rev 1:7-8, whom being pierced and is to come, the Alpha and the Omega, the Almighty.

Once again you skirted my question. Who is the One that "mourneth for his only Son, and in bitterness for him, as One that is in bitterness for His firstborn."? Whose "only Son" is that? Who is in bitterness for His firstborn?

Yes, the Father mourneth for Jesus.
But you did not answer the question, "Who were they that look upon the Father when He was pierced"?

[onewithhim]

The Father is Alpha and Omega. Jesus is not referred to as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is "the first and the last," but not Alpha and Omega. "The first and the last" is written in Greek letters different from Alpha and Omega. They are not the same.

Yes, then what is the reason why the Almighty Father called Himself the first and the last?

Because He is all things---also the First and the Last---as well as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is just referred to as The First and the Last, but never Alpha and Omega. The Father is both, Jesus is just one of them, the First and the Last. That is like Jehovah being God Almighty AND a mighty god. A mighty god amongst all the gods of the nations. ("There is none like you among the gods, O Jehovah." Psalm 86:8) He is superior to all of them. He is also God Almighty. Jesus is not God Almighty but he is superior to all the lifeless gods of the nations.

And as the one who is to come, seen by all, even to those who pierced Him said "I am the Alpha and Omega" the Almighty.
Does the verse mentioned He is the Father?

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev. 1:8 has to refer to the Father, Jehovah. It is the Almighty who raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus died, which the Almighty never could do. That is why He sent Jesus here to be our Redeemer.

Jesus was pierced literally, of course, and his Father was pierced figuratively as a reference to His grief at His Son's ignominious death. Watching Jesus die was not pretty.

God the Father said, "they shall look upon me whom they have pierced". I colored red below. (Zec 12:10)
Who then saw the Father being pierced?

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn

I think that verse shows who is being "pierced" in that scenario. "As one mourneth for his only son, and in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." Whose "only son" is that? Who is "in bitterness for his firstborn?"

So, Jesus is the one being pierced in that scenario not the Father.
And Jesus is the one referred in Rev 1:7-8, whom being pierced and is to come, the Alpha and the Omega, the Almighty.

Once again you skirted my question. Who is the One that "mourneth for his only Son, and in bitterness for him, as One that is in bitterness for His firstborn."? Whose "only Son" is that? Who is in bitterness for His firstborn?

Yes, the Father mourneth for Jesus.
But you did not answer the question, "Who were they that look upon the Father when He was pierced"?

Since Jesus represented his Father, the ones who looked upon him who is pierced would be the Roman soldiers and the Pharisees who looked upon him as he hung there on the stake.

[Capbook]

Yes, then what is the reason why the Almighty Father called Himself the first and the last?

Because He is all things---also the First and the Last---as well as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is just referred to as The First and the Last, but never Alpha and Omega. The Father is both, Jesus is just one of them, the First and the Last. That is like Jehovah being God Almighty AND a mighty god. A mighty god amongst all the gods of the nations. ("There is none like you among the gods, O Jehovah." Psalm 86:8) He is superior to all of them. He is also God Almighty. Jesus is not God Almighty but he is superior to all the lifeless gods of the nations.

And as the one who is to come, seen by all, even to those who pierced Him said "I am the Alpha and Omega" the Almighty.
Does the verse mentioned He is the Father?

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev. 1:8 has to refer to the Father, Jehovah. It is the Almighty who raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus died, which the Almighty never could do. That is why He sent Jesus here to be our Redeemer.

Jesus was pierced literally, of course, and his Father was pierced figuratively as a reference to His grief at His Son's ignominious death. Watching Jesus die was not pretty.

God the Father said, "they shall look upon me whom they have pierced". I colored red below. (Zec 12:10)
Who then saw the Father being pierced?

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn

I think that verse shows who is being "pierced" in that scenario. "As one mourneth for his only son, and in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." Whose "only son" is that? Who is "in bitterness for his firstborn?"

So, Jesus is the one being pierced in that scenario not the Father.
And Jesus is the one referred in Rev 1:7-8, whom being pierced and is to come, the Alpha and the Omega, the Almighty.

Once again you skirted my question. Who is the One that "mourneth for his only Son, and in bitterness for him, as One that is in bitterness for His firstborn."? Whose "only Son" is that? Who is in bitterness for His firstborn?

Yes, the Father mourneth for Jesus.
But you did not answer the question, "Who were they that look upon the Father when He was pierced"?

Since Jesus represented his Father, the ones who looked upon him who is pierced would be the Roman soldiers and the Pharisees who looked upon him as he hung there on the stake.

Yes, Jesus human body was being pierced, whom is mentioned in Rev 1:7-8, who is to come.