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Jesus said that we all must love Jehovah our God and worship only Him. He stated clearly that his Father was the only true God (John 17:3); he didn't say that we are the only true God. In many places in the Scriptures he calls the Father "my God."

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent." (John 17:3, KJV)

"Jesus saith unto her [Mary], Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father, but go to my brethren and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God. (John 20:17, KJV)

"At the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Mark 15:34, KJV)

"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall no more go out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name." (Revelation 3:12, KJV)

I think Jesus wants us to recognize that his Father, Jehovah, is God, and he is God's Son. (John 10:36) What do you make of this?

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Re: Jesus Christ has a God that he worships

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:13 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:08 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:41 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:02 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:58 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:43 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:31 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:50 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:55 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 2:53 am

They are they who stayed with Jesus on earth. Do that proves that "fellow" in verse 9 Jesus is not in heaven?
No, the verse is just referring to the time that Jesus was on Earth. I already posted what I think in the previous posting. What is your point?
Lexicon defined (Heb 1:9)"hath annointed" as consecrating Jesus to the Messianic office and furnishing him with powers necessary for its administration.
Consecrating Jesus to the Messianic office, I believe the start of Jesus Messianic life.
And furnishing Jesus with powers necessary for its administration it means also at the start His Messianic life.
Therefore Jesus is still on earth. (Heb 1:9)

NT:5548 chrioo:
a. consecrating Jesus to the Messianic office, and furnishing him with powers necessary for its administration (see chrisma): Luke 4:18
b. enduing Christians with the gifts of the Holy Spirit 2 Cor 1:21
(Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database)
No Jesus is not still on the earth. You are guessing, and your guess is off the mark.
I've given you verses and lexicon definition of Bible words but only a mere denial from you.
It's time for you to prove that Jesus is in heaven as you say at that time.
Any verses?
He has been back in heaven since a month or so after his resurrection. Peter explained to the Jews: "This Jesus God resurrected...Therefore because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out this which you see and hear." (Acts 2:32,33)

"Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens." (Hebrews 8:1, KJV) This was written not long after Jesus' resurrection.

"After he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places." (Hebrews 1:3b)
So, Jesus is God, in what I colored red above?
No, of course not. It says that God resurrected Jesus.
After resurrection, as Jesus goes to the Father, is He God or not?
He is not. It says clearly that God resurrected Jesus. So it isn't God who was dead. It was Jesus who was entirely dependent on "God."
Is Jesus is mighty (gibbor) God in heaven? (Isa 9:6)
Also is the Father mighty (gibbor) God. (Isa 10:20,21)
Why is that they are both "gibbor"?

Isa 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:13 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:08 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:41 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:02 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:58 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:43 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:31 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:50 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Oct 01, 2024 3:55 pm
No, the verse is just referring to the time that Jesus was on Earth. I already posted what I think in the previous posting. What is your point?
Lexicon defined (Heb 1:9)"hath annointed" as consecrating Jesus to the Messianic office and furnishing him with powers necessary for its administration.
Consecrating Jesus to the Messianic office, I believe the start of Jesus Messianic life.
And furnishing Jesus with powers necessary for its administration it means also at the start His Messianic life.
Therefore Jesus is still on earth. (Heb 1:9)

NT:5548 chrioo:
a. consecrating Jesus to the Messianic office, and furnishing him with powers necessary for its administration (see chrisma): Luke 4:18
b. enduing Christians with the gifts of the Holy Spirit 2 Cor 1:21
(Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database)
No Jesus is not still on the earth. You are guessing, and your guess is off the mark.
I've given you verses and lexicon definition of Bible words but only a mere denial from you.
It's time for you to prove that Jesus is in heaven as you say at that time.
Any verses?
He has been back in heaven since a month or so after his resurrection. Peter explained to the Jews: "This Jesus God resurrected...Therefore because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out this which you see and hear." (Acts 2:32,33)

"Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens." (Hebrews 8:1, KJV) This was written not long after Jesus' resurrection.

"After he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places." (Hebrews 1:3b)
So, Jesus is God, in what I colored red above?
No, of course not. It says that God resurrected Jesus.
After resurrection, as Jesus goes to the Father, is He God or not?
He is not. It says clearly that God resurrected Jesus. So it isn't God who was dead. It was Jesus who was entirely dependent on "God."
Is Jesus is mighty (gibbor) God in heaven? (Isa 9:6)
Also is the Father mighty (gibbor) God. (Isa 10:20,21)
Why is that they are both "gibbor"?

Isa 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God
El Gibbor means mighty god, but not the Almighty God. So Jesus is El Gibbor, a mighty, powerful god. The Almighty God is El Shaddai, and Jehovah alone is El Shaddai. Jehovah is also El Gibbor in some passages, but Jesus is never El Shaddai.

Jehovah = El Shaddai (and sometimes referred to as El Gibbor)
Jesus = El Gibbor and never El Shaddai

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:38 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:13 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:08 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:41 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:02 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:58 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:43 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:31 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:50 am

Lexicon defined (Heb 1:9)"hath annointed" as consecrating Jesus to the Messianic office and furnishing him with powers necessary for its administration.
Consecrating Jesus to the Messianic office, I believe the start of Jesus Messianic life.
And furnishing Jesus with powers necessary for its administration it means also at the start His Messianic life.
Therefore Jesus is still on earth. (Heb 1:9)

NT:5548 chrioo:
a. consecrating Jesus to the Messianic office, and furnishing him with powers necessary for its administration (see chrisma): Luke 4:18
b. enduing Christians with the gifts of the Holy Spirit 2 Cor 1:21
(Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database)
No Jesus is not still on the earth. You are guessing, and your guess is off the mark.
I've given you verses and lexicon definition of Bible words but only a mere denial from you.
It's time for you to prove that Jesus is in heaven as you say at that time.
Any verses?
He has been back in heaven since a month or so after his resurrection. Peter explained to the Jews: "This Jesus God resurrected...Therefore because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out this which you see and hear." (Acts 2:32,33)

"Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens." (Hebrews 8:1, KJV) This was written not long after Jesus' resurrection.

"After he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places." (Hebrews 1:3b)
So, Jesus is God, in what I colored red above?
No, of course not. It says that God resurrected Jesus.
After resurrection, as Jesus goes to the Father, is He God or not?
He is not. It says clearly that God resurrected Jesus. So it isn't God who was dead. It was Jesus who was entirely dependent on "God."
Is Jesus is mighty (gibbor) God in heaven? (Isa 9:6)
Also is the Father mighty (gibbor) God. (Isa 10:20,21)
Why is that they are both "gibbor"?

Isa 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God
El Gibbor means mighty god, but not the Almighty God. So Jesus is El Gibbor, a mighty, powerful god. The Almighty God is El Shaddai, and Jehovah alone is El Shaddai. Jehovah is also El Gibbor in some passages, but Jesus is never El Shaddai.

Jehovah = El Shaddai (and sometimes referred to as El Gibbor)
Jesus = El Gibbor and never El Shaddai
And why they are both called mighty God?
Also why God in Isa9:6 in uppercase G?

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:19 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:38 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:13 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:08 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:41 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:02 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:58 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:43 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:31 am
No Jesus is not still on the earth. You are guessing, and your guess is off the mark.
I've given you verses and lexicon definition of Bible words but only a mere denial from you.
It's time for you to prove that Jesus is in heaven as you say at that time.
Any verses?
He has been back in heaven since a month or so after his resurrection. Peter explained to the Jews: "This Jesus God resurrected...Therefore because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out this which you see and hear." (Acts 2:32,33)

"Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens." (Hebrews 8:1, KJV) This was written not long after Jesus' resurrection.

"After he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places." (Hebrews 1:3b)
So, Jesus is God, in what I colored red above?
No, of course not. It says that God resurrected Jesus.
After resurrection, as Jesus goes to the Father, is He God or not?
He is not. It says clearly that God resurrected Jesus. So it isn't God who was dead. It was Jesus who was entirely dependent on "God."
Is Jesus is mighty (gibbor) God in heaven? (Isa 9:6)
Also is the Father mighty (gibbor) God. (Isa 10:20,21)
Why is that they are both "gibbor"?

Isa 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God
El Gibbor means mighty god, but not the Almighty God. So Jesus is El Gibbor, a mighty, powerful god. The Almighty God is El Shaddai, and Jehovah alone is El Shaddai. Jehovah is also El Gibbor in some passages, but Jesus is never El Shaddai.

Jehovah = El Shaddai (and sometimes referred to as El Gibbor)
Jesus = El Gibbor and never El Shaddai
And why they are both called mighty God?
Also why God in Isa9:6 in uppercase G?
They are both "Mighty God" because Jehovah is the Highest of anyone, with all the power, and Jesus is a Mighty God because that is what El Gibbohr means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence. Jehovah is both. Jesus is just one. We can take the uppercase "G" of "Mighty God" and dispense with it (except in Jehovah's case). There are no capitals in Hebrew anyway. And Jehovah is Almighty God, "El Shaddai," which Jesus is not.

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:40 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:19 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:38 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:13 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:08 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:41 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:02 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:58 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:43 am

I've given you verses and lexicon definition of Bible words but only a mere denial from you.
It's time for you to prove that Jesus is in heaven as you say at that time.
Any verses?
He has been back in heaven since a month or so after his resurrection. Peter explained to the Jews: "This Jesus God resurrected...Therefore because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out this which you see and hear." (Acts 2:32,33)

"Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens." (Hebrews 8:1, KJV) This was written not long after Jesus' resurrection.

"After he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places." (Hebrews 1:3b)
So, Jesus is God, in what I colored red above?
No, of course not. It says that God resurrected Jesus.
After resurrection, as Jesus goes to the Father, is He God or not?
He is not. It says clearly that God resurrected Jesus. So it isn't God who was dead. It was Jesus who was entirely dependent on "God."
Is Jesus is mighty (gibbor) God in heaven? (Isa 9:6)
Also is the Father mighty (gibbor) God. (Isa 10:20,21)
Why is that they are both "gibbor"?

Isa 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God
El Gibbor means mighty god, but not the Almighty God. So Jesus is El Gibbor, a mighty, powerful god. The Almighty God is El Shaddai, and Jehovah alone is El Shaddai. Jehovah is also El Gibbor in some passages, but Jesus is never El Shaddai.

Jehovah = El Shaddai (and sometimes referred to as El Gibbor)
Jesus = El Gibbor and never El Shaddai
And why they are both called mighty God?
Also why God in Isa9:6 in uppercase G?
They are both "Mighty God" because Jehovah is the Highest of anyone, with all the power, and Jesus is a Mighty God because that is what El Gibbohr means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence. Jehovah is both. Jesus is just one. We can take the uppercase "G" of "Mighty God" and dispense with it (except in Jehovah's case). There are no capitals in Hebrew anyway. And Jehovah is Almighty God, "El Shaddai," which Jesus is not.
Can your definition of, "El Gibbor means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence", be applied to the Father also?
I just hope you are familiar with Hebrew word I colored red in Isa 9:6.
The mighty God defined by lexicon as Jehovah.
Is this original Hebrew text wrong?

יהוה yehôvâh
BDB Definition:
Jehovah = “the existing One”
1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H136

Isa 9:6 לםרבה H4766  המשׂרה H4951  ולשׁלום H7965  אין H369  קץ H7093  על H5921  כסא H3678  דוד H1732  ועל H5921  ממלכתו H4467  להכין H3559  אתה H853  ולסעדה H5582  במשׁפט H4941  ובצדקה H6666  מעתה H6258  ועד H5704  עולם H5769  קנאת H7068  יהוה H3068  צבאות H6635  תעשׂה H6213  זאת׃ H2063 

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:45 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:40 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:19 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:38 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:13 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:08 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:41 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:02 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 8:58 pm
He has been back in heaven since a month or so after his resurrection. Peter explained to the Jews: "This Jesus God resurrected...Therefore because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out this which you see and hear." (Acts 2:32,33)

"Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens." (Hebrews 8:1, KJV) This was written not long after Jesus' resurrection.

"After he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places." (Hebrews 1:3b)
So, Jesus is God, in what I colored red above?
No, of course not. It says that God resurrected Jesus.
After resurrection, as Jesus goes to the Father, is He God or not?
He is not. It says clearly that God resurrected Jesus. So it isn't God who was dead. It was Jesus who was entirely dependent on "God."
Is Jesus is mighty (gibbor) God in heaven? (Isa 9:6)
Also is the Father mighty (gibbor) God. (Isa 10:20,21)
Why is that they are both "gibbor"?

Isa 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God
El Gibbor means mighty god, but not the Almighty God. So Jesus is El Gibbor, a mighty, powerful god. The Almighty God is El Shaddai, and Jehovah alone is El Shaddai. Jehovah is also El Gibbor in some passages, but Jesus is never El Shaddai.

Jehovah = El Shaddai (and sometimes referred to as El Gibbor)
Jesus = El Gibbor and never El Shaddai
And why they are both called mighty God?
Also why God in Isa9:6 in uppercase G?
They are both "Mighty God" because Jehovah is the Highest of anyone, with all the power, and Jesus is a Mighty God because that is what El Gibbohr means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence. Jehovah is both. Jesus is just one. We can take the uppercase "G" of "Mighty God" and dispense with it (except in Jehovah's case). There are no capitals in Hebrew anyway. And Jehovah is Almighty God, "El Shaddai," which Jesus is not.
Can your definition of, "El Gibbor means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence", be applied to the Father also?
I just hope you are familiar with Hebrew word I colored red in Isa 9:6.
The mighty God defined by lexicon as Jehovah.
Is this original Hebrew text wrong?

יהוה yehôvâh
BDB Definition:
Jehovah = “the existing One”
1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H136

Isa 9:6 לםרבה H4766  המשׂרה H4951  ולשׁלום H7965  אין H369  קץ H7093  על H5921  כסא H3678  דוד H1732  ועל H5921  ממלכתו H4467  להכין H3559  אתה H853  ולסעדה H5582  במשׁפט H4941  ובצדקה H6666  מעתה H6258  ועד H5704  עולם H5769  קנאת H7068  יהוה H3068  צבאות H6635  תעשׂה H6213  זאת׃ H2063 
I said that Jehovah can be called "El Gibbohr" as well. The difference is that Jesus is called "El Gibbohr" but never "El Shaddai," which means God Almighty. Only Jehovah is "El Shaddai."

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:41 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:45 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:40 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:19 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:38 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:13 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:08 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:41 am
Capbook wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:02 pm

So, Jesus is God, in what I colored red above?
No, of course not. It says that God resurrected Jesus.
After resurrection, as Jesus goes to the Father, is He God or not?
He is not. It says clearly that God resurrected Jesus. So it isn't God who was dead. It was Jesus who was entirely dependent on "God."
Is Jesus is mighty (gibbor) God in heaven? (Isa 9:6)
Also is the Father mighty (gibbor) God. (Isa 10:20,21)
Why is that they are both "gibbor"?

Isa 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God
El Gibbor means mighty god, but not the Almighty God. So Jesus is El Gibbor, a mighty, powerful god. The Almighty God is El Shaddai, and Jehovah alone is El Shaddai. Jehovah is also El Gibbor in some passages, but Jesus is never El Shaddai.

Jehovah = El Shaddai (and sometimes referred to as El Gibbor)
Jesus = El Gibbor and never El Shaddai
And why they are both called mighty God?
Also why God in Isa9:6 in uppercase G?
They are both "Mighty God" because Jehovah is the Highest of anyone, with all the power, and Jesus is a Mighty God because that is what El Gibbohr means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence. Jehovah is both. Jesus is just one. We can take the uppercase "G" of "Mighty God" and dispense with it (except in Jehovah's case). There are no capitals in Hebrew anyway. And Jehovah is Almighty God, "El Shaddai," which Jesus is not.
Can your definition of, "El Gibbor means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence", be applied to the Father also?
I just hope you are familiar with Hebrew word I colored red in Isa 9:6.
The mighty God defined by lexicon as Jehovah.
Is this original Hebrew text wrong?

יהוה yehôvâh
BDB Definition:
Jehovah = “the existing One”
1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H136

Isa 9:6 לםרבה H4766  המשׂרה H4951  ולשׁלום H7965  אין H369  קץ H7093  על H5921  כסא H3678  דוד H1732  ועל H5921  ממלכתו H4467  להכין H3559  אתה H853  ולסעדה H5582  במשׁפט H4941  ובצדקה H6666  מעתה H6258  ועד H5704  עולם H5769  קנאת H7068  יהוה H3068  צבאות H6635  תעשׂה H6213  זאת׃ H2063 
I said that Jehovah can be called "El Gibbohr" as well. The difference is that Jesus is called "El Gibbohr" but never "El Shaddai," which means God Almighty. Only Jehovah is "El Shaddai."
And why the Almighty Father said I am the first and the last? (Rev 22:13)
As you've said Jesus is the first and last.
Do the Father is wrong?

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last

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Re: Jesus Christ has a God that he worships

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Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:27 pm
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No, of course not. It says that God resurrected Jesus.
After resurrection, as Jesus goes to the Father, is He God or not?
He is not. It says clearly that God resurrected Jesus. So it isn't God who was dead. It was Jesus who was entirely dependent on "God."
Is Jesus is mighty (gibbor) God in heaven? (Isa 9:6)
Also is the Father mighty (gibbor) God. (Isa 10:20,21)
Why is that they are both "gibbor"?

Isa 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God
El Gibbor means mighty god, but not the Almighty God. So Jesus is El Gibbor, a mighty, powerful god. The Almighty God is El Shaddai, and Jehovah alone is El Shaddai. Jehovah is also El Gibbor in some passages, but Jesus is never El Shaddai.

Jehovah = El Shaddai (and sometimes referred to as El Gibbor)
Jesus = El Gibbor and never El Shaddai
And why they are both called mighty God?
Also why God in Isa9:6 in uppercase G?
They are both "Mighty God" because Jehovah is the Highest of anyone, with all the power, and Jesus is a Mighty God because that is what El Gibbohr means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence. Jehovah is both. Jesus is just one. We can take the uppercase "G" of "Mighty God" and dispense with it (except in Jehovah's case). There are no capitals in Hebrew anyway. And Jehovah is Almighty God, "El Shaddai," which Jesus is not.
Can your definition of, "El Gibbor means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence", be applied to the Father also?
I just hope you are familiar with Hebrew word I colored red in Isa 9:6.
The mighty God defined by lexicon as Jehovah.
Is this original Hebrew text wrong?

יהוה yehôvâh
BDB Definition:
Jehovah = “the existing One”
1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H136

Isa 9:6 לםרבה H4766  המשׂרה H4951  ולשׁלום H7965  אין H369  קץ H7093  על H5921  כסא H3678  דוד H1732  ועל H5921  ממלכתו H4467  להכין H3559  אתה H853  ולסעדה H5582  במשׁפט H4941  ובצדקה H6666  מעתה H6258  ועד H5704  עולם H5769  קנאת H7068  יהוה H3068  צבאות H6635  תעשׂה H6213  זאת׃ H2063 
I said that Jehovah can be called "El Gibbohr" as well. The difference is that Jesus is called "El Gibbohr" but never "El Shaddai," which means God Almighty. Only Jehovah is "El Shaddai."
And why the Almighty Father said I am the first and the last? (Rev 22:13)
As you've said Jesus is the first and last.
Do the Father is wrong?

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last
The Father is Alpha and Omega. Jesus is not referred to as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is "the first and the last," but not Alpha and Omega. "The first and the last" is written in Greek letters different from Alpha and Omega. They are not the same.

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Re: Jesus Christ has a God that he worships

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:12 pmThe Father is Alpha and Omega. Jesus is not referred to as Alpha and Omega.
Jesus refers to himself as the Alpha and Omega in Revelation 1:11. [Source]
onewithhim wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:12 pmJesus is "the first and the last," but not Alpha and Omega. "The first and the last" is written in Greek letters different from Alpha and Omega. They are not the same.
They're different, but we see both:
λεγουσης εγω ειμι το α και το ω ο πρωτος και ο εσχατος και ο βλεπεις γραψον εις βιβλιον και πεμψον ταις επτα εκκλησιαις ταις εν ασια εις εφεσον και εις σμυρναν και εις περγαμον και εις θυατειρα και εις σαρδεις και εις φιλαδελφειαν και εις λαοδικειαν
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last
My pronouns are he, him, and his.

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Re: Jesus Christ has a God that he worships

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:12 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 23, 2024 1:27 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 5:41 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:45 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 5:40 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:19 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 6:38 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:15 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Nov 03, 2024 1:13 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2024 3:08 pm

After resurrection, as Jesus goes to the Father, is He God or not?
He is not. It says clearly that God resurrected Jesus. So it isn't God who was dead. It was Jesus who was entirely dependent on "God."
Is Jesus is mighty (gibbor) God in heaven? (Isa 9:6)
Also is the Father mighty (gibbor) God. (Isa 10:20,21)
Why is that they are both "gibbor"?

Isa 10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
Isa 10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God
El Gibbor means mighty god, but not the Almighty God. So Jesus is El Gibbor, a mighty, powerful god. The Almighty God is El Shaddai, and Jehovah alone is El Shaddai. Jehovah is also El Gibbor in some passages, but Jesus is never El Shaddai.

Jehovah = El Shaddai (and sometimes referred to as El Gibbor)
Jesus = El Gibbor and never El Shaddai
And why they are both called mighty God?
Also why God in Isa9:6 in uppercase G?
They are both "Mighty God" because Jehovah is the Highest of anyone, with all the power, and Jesus is a Mighty God because that is what El Gibbohr means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence. Jehovah is both. Jesus is just one. We can take the uppercase "G" of "Mighty God" and dispense with it (except in Jehovah's case). There are no capitals in Hebrew anyway. And Jehovah is Almighty God, "El Shaddai," which Jesus is not.
Can your definition of, "El Gibbor means and it simply means a Person of high rank with great power and influence", be applied to the Father also?
I just hope you are familiar with Hebrew word I colored red in Isa 9:6.
The mighty God defined by lexicon as Jehovah.
Is this original Hebrew text wrong?

יהוה yehôvâh
BDB Definition:
Jehovah = “the existing One”
1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of H136

Isa 9:6 לםרבה H4766  המשׂרה H4951  ולשׁלום H7965  אין H369  קץ H7093  על H5921  כסא H3678  דוד H1732  ועל H5921  ממלכתו H4467  להכין H3559  אתה H853  ולסעדה H5582  במשׁפט H4941  ובצדקה H6666  מעתה H6258  ועד H5704  עולם H5769  קנאת H7068  יהוה H3068  צבאות H6635  תעשׂה H6213  זאת׃ H2063 
I said that Jehovah can be called "El Gibbohr" as well. The difference is that Jesus is called "El Gibbohr" but never "El Shaddai," which means God Almighty. Only Jehovah is "El Shaddai."
And why the Almighty Father said I am the first and the last? (Rev 22:13)
As you've said Jesus is the first and last.
Do the Father is wrong?

Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last
The Father is Alpha and Omega. Jesus is not referred to as Alpha and Omega. Jesus is "the first and the last," but not Alpha and Omega. "The first and the last" is written in Greek letters different from Alpha and Omega. They are not the same.
Yes, then what is the reason why the Almighty Father called Himself the first and the last?

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