If that would be the case, then the problem of atheists would just be a matter of atheist prejudice and pride, just technicalities and wording ... vanity, IMO.
A feasible alien Creator?
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A feasible alien Creator?
Post #1Would it be more feasible for an atheist to believe in God if he considers him the Creator in a world of aliens that belong to another physical dimension?
If that would be the case, then the problem of atheists would just be a matter of atheist prejudice and pride, just technicalities and wording ... vanity, IMO.
If that would be the case, then the problem of atheists would just be a matter of atheist prejudice and pride, just technicalities and wording ... vanity, IMO.
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Re: A feasible alien Creator?
Post #21You are an atheists towards all the Gods, except one.
So perhaps you should ask yourself, would it be more feasible for you to believe in Allah if you consider Allah in a world of aliens that belong to another physical dimension?
Me too, so I await your answer.I was just curious
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Re: A feasible alien Creator?
Post #22There is a reason extraterrestrials are called ET and those letters come before the name of Yahweh
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Re: A feasible alien Creator?
Post #23A reliable source told me heaven is just a machine and it can be tricked by, for example, having bad people use a demon to pretend to be a good person.
Hell also allows something like this by having bad people use decent people as scapegoats, letting the bad people get off Scot free from their sins.
Hell also allows something like this by having bad people use decent people as scapegoats, letting the bad people get off Scot free from their sins.
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Re: A feasible alien Creator?
Post #24Why do you think it is a reliable source?JacksonDeville wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 2:49 am A reliable source told me heaven is just a machine and it can be tricked by, for example, having bad people use a demon to pretend to be a good person.
Hell also allows something like this by having bad people use decent people as scapegoats, letting the bad people get off Scot free from their sins.
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Re: A feasible alien Creator?
Post #25Extraterrestrials are called "ET" because "ET" stands for "extraterrestrial"JacksonDeville wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2024 6:05 pm There is a reason extraterrestrials are called ET and those letters come before the name of Yahweh
What a Yahweh has to do with it would need to be explained otherwise it just reads as nonsense. Please explain if you can.
You can give a man a fish and he will be fed for a day, or you can teach a man to pray for fish and he will starve to death.
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU
It is sad that in an age of freedom some people are enslaved by the nomads of old. - Marco
If you are unable to demonstrate that what you believe is true and you absolve yourself of the burden of proof, then what is the purpose of your arguments? - brunumb
Re: A feasible alien Creator?
Post #26Honestly, thinking of God as a creator in a universe filled with aliens and different dimensions could totally shift how some atheists view the concept of a higher power. It makes it a bit more relatable, right? For me, though, it really boils down to personal experiences and beliefs. I’ve met folks who just can’t connect with the idea of a deity, no matter how it's framed. I find it fascinating how everyone approaches these big questions differently, and sometimes it’s just about what resonates with each person individually.
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Re: A feasible alien Creator?
Post #27I'm curious as to how you think it would shift some atheist's views. I've been aware of these ideas for many years, and it hasn't changed my thoughts on a god concept in any way.
Speaking as only one atheist, we are all quite different of course, it's not the framing of the idea of a deity, but the utter lack of convincing evidence for one.For me, though, it really boils down to personal experiences and beliefs. I’ve met folks who just can’t connect with the idea of a deity, no matter how it's framed. I find it fascinating how everyone approaches these big questions differently, and sometimes it’s just about what resonates with each person individually.
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Re: A feasible alien Creator?
Post #28Richard Dawkins admitted he would consider the involvement of aliens in seeding original life on earth but only if those aliens were not created by God. Dawkin's statement reveals two things about him. First, he refuses to accept any scientific evidence, facts, or data that supports or possibly supports the existence of God. Second, he has no clue how original life began on earth.brunumb wrote: ↑Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:32 pm [Replying to Eloi in post #1]
If there are aliens in another dimension who created this world, how would we know and why should we care? Are you now going to add more conditions to these aliens to give them more significance?
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Re: A feasible alien Creator?
Post #29Can you provide a citation that particularly references the part I highlighted? I find it quite a stretch to say that Dawkins refuses to accept scientific evidence.marke wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:57 am Richard Dawkins admitted he would consider the involvement of aliens in seeding original life on earth but only if those aliens were not created by God. Dawkin's statement reveals two things about him. First, he refuses to accept any scientific evidence, facts, or data that supports or possibly supports the existence of God.
So what? No one does, not even creationists.
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Re: A feasible alien Creator?
Post #30Dawkins made it plain that he will not accept any evidence that supports the Bible and contradicts evolution. But Dawkins is only one of many who take the same positon.brunumb wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:23 pmCan you provide a citation that particularly references the part I highlighted? I find it quite a stretch to say that Dawkins refuses to accept scientific evidence.marke wrote: ↑Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:57 am Richard Dawkins admitted he would consider the involvement of aliens in seeding original life on earth but only if those aliens were not created by God. Dawkin's statement reveals two things about him. First, he refuses to accept any scientific evidence, facts, or data that supports or possibly supports the existence of God.
So what? No one does, not even creationists.
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