Please Challenge This Hypothesis

[POI]

After years of debate, one topic seems to remain without waiver and/or adjustment. I'm placing this topic here, in the forefront/spotlight, to expose it to direct challenge. I will be more than happy than to (waiver from/augment/abort) this hypothesis, baring evidence to the contrary....

Hypothesis: The reason most/all believe in (God/gods/higher powers) is because of evolution. Meaning, 'survival of the fitter." Meaning, all humans who favored type 2 errors over type 1 errors are now mostly gone. We inherit our parent's predisposition to invoke type 1 errors, until otherwise logically necessary. Meaning, few will still BECOME atheists after "going to the well enough times" and not seeing God there.

Allow me to explain. In this context, a type 1 error would be first assuming intentional agency, and being wrong -- (good or bad). Alternatively, a type 2 error would be not to first assume intentional agency, and being wrong.

1) Walking down a dirt path, from point A to point B, and hearing a rustle in the weeds, and first assuming danger, would be a type 1 error IF incorrect. This person would still be alive if they are wrong. Maybe it was actually just the wind. Alternatively, if one was to instead first assume no danger, the wind, but there was danger, this person has first committed a type 2 error and is now likely out of the gene pool. And since this has been happening for a long time, we only have the ones who first invoke type 1 errors.

2) Getting in a car wreck with 3 friends.... Your 3 friends die, but you live. You assume you are purposefully spared. IF you are wrong, there is really no harm and no way to know. There is really also no way to confirm you were not spared. Hence, your possible type 1 error is never confirmed/corrected. Which means you can and will continue to attribute agency, where there may not really be any.

In essence, you first assume agency, until proven otherwise. For God, it is never really unproven. Humans connect the dots, accept the hits and ignore the misses, other...

For debate: Is this is viable reason why most believe in a higher power? Is this also why other arguments, against god(s), hardly change the believer's mind?

[1213]

You quote mined out a couple of the verses that show just how the Bible can in fact be the motivation.

Anything can be used for that, if one cherry picks suitable lines for it. To use Bible to justify crusades, one has to ignore lots of what is said in the Bible.

[TRANSPONDER]

You quote mined out a couple of the verses that show just how the Bible can in fact be the motivation.

Anything can be used for that, if one cherry picks suitable lines for it. To use Bible to justify crusades, one has to ignore lots of what is said in the Bible.

That is because the Bible is a composite work, saying many different things and as is almost an atheist axiom, one can pick whatever they want to suit themselves, even without quotes out of context.
We for instance, can pick bits of the Bible that show God to be a violent and warlike imaginary being and the Jesus - character well aware of that and reckoning we had it coming. It is not anywhere i can recall, God wringing his hands over killing done according to his wishes and plan.

[Angie]

[Replying to POI in post #1]

In fewer words, those who can't see cause - and- effect relationships won't last long.

To your question, those who figure out real causes
do better than those who dont. Applies to individuals and groups.

That's why civilized societies wipe out those whose
attempts to understand overemphasize superstitions / religions/ magic.

It's something for the American fundamentalists to
consider. Though I dont think they will.

[Clownboat]

You quote mined out a couple of the verses that show just how the Bible can in fact be the motivation.

Anything can be used for that, if one cherry picks suitable lines for it. To use Bible to justify crusades, one has to ignore lots of what is said in the Bible.

Cherry picking was not the issue. Your quote mining was.

This was your claim and it has been shown to be false:
"If one would be a disciple of Jesus (="Christian"), he would remain in word of Jesus and by it, one would not go on crusade. Bible doesn't support such an action."
You knew it was false I suspect, which would be why you had quote mine my reply.

1213: Well poo, the Bible can be used to support such a thing. I know, I'll quote mine out the provided scripture, deny their existence and will continue to believe that the Bible cannot be used for that which is was used for.

I trust that most of those reading here just are not as easily fooled as you hope.

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[1213]

...This was your claim and it has been shown to be false:
"If one would be a disciple of Jesus (="Christian"), he would remain in word of Jesus and by it, one would not go on crusade. Bible doesn't support such an action."
You knew it was false I suspect, ...

Why do you think that is false?

[TRANSPONDER]

...This was your claim and it has been shown to be false:
"If one would be a disciple of Jesus (="Christian"), he would remain in word of Jesus and by it, one would not go on crusade. Bible doesn't support such an action."
You knew it was false I suspect, ...

Why do you think that is false?

I would rather say 'suspect', that's if you are even capable of questioning yourself. The gospels are (like the rest of the Bible) as contradictory as a collection of Trump speeches. It bleats on about peace and kindness but is full of vengeance to come, divided g families and retribution with fire and sword. Whatever blinkered view one has of that, Christianity has never been slow to act in an intolerant and vengeful way when it suited.

As soon as what God said and meant was decided by Constantine, as I recall and not even a majority, persecution of anyone who said or wrote different began

Christianity never stopped Rome making war as it always had and has never stopped wars, civil wars or crusades afterwards. Nor does it do a darn thing to stop war now, and it can even long for it to come or get worse so that the final destructive blaze can happen just as in their nasty book.

Away with them, their book and their religion. If humanity is to have any hope.

[1213]

...The gospels are (like the rest of the Bible) as contradictory...

Yet you can't show even one real contradiction in it. All you have is poor interpretations and straw man arguments.

Christianity never stopped Rome making war as it always had and has never stopped wars, civil wars or crusades afterwards. Nor does it do a darn thing to stop war now...

Bible says:
But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
Matt. 5:44-45

Why do you think people don't live as Jesus taught? Should God force people to do so?

[TRANSPONDER]

...The gospels are (like the rest of the Bible) as contradictory...

Yet you can't show even one real contradiction in it. All you have is poor interpretations and straw man arguments.

Christianity never stopped Rome making war as it always had and has never stopped wars, civil wars or crusades afterwards. Nor does it do a darn thing to stop war now...

Bible says:
But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
Matt. 5:44-45

Why do you think people don't live as Jesus taught? Should God force people to do so?

I have sown many contradictions, you have just ignored them After you tried to wriggle out of them. Whether Mary magdalene and the other wone ran into Jesus on the way to the disciples or not is one you fought to escape from, but could not. Now you say it wasn't a #real' contradiction. Denial of the undeniable is n something we have seen before.

Which is fine. Luke more and more Republicans realising that Trump has been lying all along, those following our discussions know who is making the case and who is in denial, and wondering how much Bible apologetics is denial,The trouble with 'Jesus taught' is that it doesn't work. People don't live like that. A lot of religions try to devise a way of Life that is supposed to make life better, if not perfect, but we get the same old problems.

The problem of Evil asks 'Whi doesn't the god or gods do something about it? Believers know this as they desperately try to find evidence of God's intervention. Which only makes matters worse as if a god can intervene, why isn't it done in any clear and detectable way? It isn't even a question of forcing people to do anything (trust theist apologetics to strawman the argument) but to remove natural disasters at least. That wasn't our doing. Though some Theists will try to blame it on gay marriage or just God letting us know he's there.

These men will be punished most severely.”(Mark 12) See also Luke 20. Also Matthew 23, though he adds so much to the Great Condemnation that the quote here gets lost.

[1213]

I have sown many contradictions, you have just ignored them After you tried to wriggle out of them. ...

And I think I have shown in all the cases that it depends on the way how you interpret it. For some reason you seem to love the interpretation that makes it look contradictory. I can only wonder why. If Bible would be wrong and not correct, you would not need to do that.

The problem of Evil asks 'Why doesn't the god or gods do something about it? B...

I don't think evil is a problem, all evil ends and it is just something that we have to experience, because people wanted to know evil. Luckily this "life" is like the Matrix, and nothing of this world can destroy our souls.

Don't be afraid of those who kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. Rather, fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in Gehenna....
Matt. 10:28-31