Apologetic History Ascertaining Bible ( AHAB )

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Apologetic History Ascertaining Bible ( AHAB )

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Christians from the very beginning of Christianity established some sort of weird Fantasy Bible Universe for apologetic reasons.

But even though modern History Science consens already refuted most of that false apologetic history, it is still both used by apologetics and accepted by most sceptics.

Foundational pillars of this propagandahistory include:

The Israelites were strict monotheists. - This is false. Even parts of the bible itself document polytheism sometimes.

The Israelites were better people than all other nations.

The Israelites abstained when all neighbouring nations did physical and sexual abuse, kidnapping and bodily mutilation and human sacrifice.

The Hebrew judiciary sysem (SIC) was all the way better than that of other nations.

It was a benefit for peope of other nations to be able to learn about and even worship the True God.
( They had their own true god ? My, weren't they special?)

In the thread " Slavery in the Bible ", all this apologetic pseudo historical lies were practically used to formulate the christian closing statement.

It was questioned to be a good argument in said thread, by Transponder.

It was questioned about ts historical thruthfullness by no one.
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon May 06, 2024 11:32 am
terrydactyl wrote: Sun May 05, 2024 8:43 pm.

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves."
Again, a lamentable situation (not caused but tolerated and regulated) by the God of the bible. That foreigners chose to sell their own brothers and sisters to non natives (something outlawed under the Hebrew system) was not God's doing. But since they did, foreign slaves were arguably much better off in Israel, where physical and sexual abuse, kidnapping and bodily mutilation and human sacrifice, were prohibited and where they came under the Hebrew judiciary sysem. There was also the added benefit of their being able to learn about and even worship the True God.
( All this is commonly also used as apologetic by christians when they need help to advocate the biblical genocide.)

Questions for debate:

Am I right that this is pseudo historical hogwash?

And if I am right, why is it commonly still accepted as true even by sceptics?

Are you also aware of more examples of biblical fantasy history? Pray, tell us!
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Re: Apologetic History Ascertaining Bible ( AHAB )

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 2:02 pm
The Nice Centurion wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 1:34 pmElaborate why you think that the selling of native to foreigners was illegal under the Hebrew law.
Exodus 21:16
The Nice Centurion wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 1:34 pm Elaborate why you think that physical and sexual abuse, kidnapping and bodily mutilation and human sacrifice were prohibited under Hebrew law.
physical abuse - Exodus 21:26, 27; Exodus 20:10
Sexual abuse- Leviticus 19:17; Lev 18:6
Bodily mutilation - Leviticus 19:28
Human sacrifice - Deut 18:10
Where do you get the idea that these commands, rules or laws had to be extended to other peoples and states, never mind foreign slaves?
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 2:37 pm
The Nice Centurion wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 1:34 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun May 12, 2024 1:39 pm
  • Foreign slaves were arguably much better off under the Hebrew system were such practices were outlawed than alternative systems were such practices were legal - Logically sound opinion
Elaborate why you think that neighbouring states had alternative systems where such practices were legal. And which were these states?
Did I say ... "neighbouring States" ?
Don't be evasive. Neighbouring states, foreign nations, other/non -Hebrew peoples had ways of treating slaves. How can we know whether the Jewish treatment of foreign slaves was any better? The rules for treating Hebrew slaves are all very nice, but they do not apply to foreign slaves.
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 2:48 pm
The Nice Centurion wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 1:34 pm Elaborate why you think that Learning about and even worshipping the God of the Hebrews was "arguably" beneficial for foreigners.
Because it is of my opinion that living according to what is true is always beneficial over living a lie. If YHWH (Jehovah) is the True God (who will reward all those that worship him acceptably with eternal life) then that logically is far more beneficial than worshipping a god that does not even exist. This is of course, not a HISTORICAL claim it is a religious/spiritual one but it is one which nonetheless cannot be falsified.
Again. The Big If. If God is true, then there is a case for....doing whatever it wants. If one can decide whether it is the god of the Jews, the Christians, the Muslims or indeed the LDS.

If one of the other religions are true then obviously, one would benefit from converting, correct?

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